The Called !

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17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

This verse is segregating the predicted small remnant of the Jews who were the elect few taken from that first-century generation IN ADDITION TO "all the Gentiles" upon who God's name was called. This does not say that the Gentiles would also be a small remnant. Indeed, the prophets all spoke of the massive amount of Gentiles that would come flowing into the kingdom of God: so many that the "curtains of the tent" would have to be greatly enlarged. As in Isaiah 54:2. "Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes; For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited."

Isaiah is full of prophetic messages concerning the abundance of the Gentiles coming to the light of the gospel, as in Isaiah 60. To impose a tiny remnant requirement that would be elected from the Gentiles is to run counter to the message of the predicted increase of God's kingdom in this world.

 

[brightfame52]

This verse is segregating the predicted small remnant of the Jews who were the elect few taken from that first-century generation IN ADDITION TO "all the Gentiles" upon who God's name was called. This does not say that the Gentiles would also be a small remnant. Indeed, the prophets all spoke of the massive amount of Gentiles that would come flowing into the kingdom of God: so many that the "curtains of the tent" would have to be greatly enlarged. As in Isaiah 54:2. "Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes; For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited."

Isaiah is full of prophetic messages concerning the abundance of the Gentiles coming to the light of the gospel, as in Isaiah 60. To impose a tiny remnant requirement that would be elected from the Gentiles is to run counter to the message of the predicted increase of God's kingdom in this world.

Its about the Gentile remnant, they are called as well as the jew remnant. Rom 9:24

even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

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Its about the Gentile remnant, they are called as well as the jew remnant. Rom 9:24

even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

I'm certainly not disputing that Gentiles were called as well as Jews. But you are mistakenly inserting the idea of a small remnant on the total number of Gentiles who would end up coming to Christ. That word "remnant" is applied to the Jews only in prophecy - never to the Gentiles. And it specifically applied to the first-century generation of Jews. This is why there are verses such as "He came unto His own and His own received Him not." (John 1:11). What you need to do in order to prove your point is to post a verse with the phrase "Gentile remnant" in it.

 

[brightfame52]

Ye also the called of Jesus Christ !

Rom 1:1-7

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

God has a special called people, special to Him above all other People in the World, we know them in the scripture as God's Own Elect, but also they are known in scripture as " the called of Jesus Christ" for they are as Paul was here called by Grace Gal 1:15

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

Also, note : Those who are eventually called by God's Grace, had a Covenant Relationship with God through Christ from their Mothers Womb as the writer of Psalms states here Ps 22:10

10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.

Now this Grace whereby they are Called by, it was given to them in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

with the call of the Apostle on the road to Damascus, and effectual call of Grace is issued to all the Elect of God, The Vessels of Mercy, in fact its given to all who are the Called of Jesus Christ, the Head of His Body the Church , as was Paul Rom 1:1

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Now understand, even though all the Called of Jesus Christ are not called to the role of an Apostle as was Paul, they nevertheless were called and set in the Body as an gifted member as was Paul and the other Apostles 1 Cor 12:27-28

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

All of Christ's members of His Body are equally important to Him, even though some may have more prominent roles, for example, the baby toe is just as important as the arm, though the arm plays a much prominent part in the function of the Body !

So when the lesser role members are called, they are called just as effectually and set into their role in the Body as were the Apostles. In Vs 28 the word set is used , its the greek word Tithemi and means:

to make (or set) for one's self or for one's use

to set, fix establish to set forth
to establish, ordain

It means appointed for Jesus Christ's Use, it means Chosen. Remember It was said of Paul here Acts 9:15

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

That's how it is with every member of Christ's Body, but the difference being all the Members of His Body were not chosen to the same Role of an Apostle as Paul was here !

Now with this said, what is often overlooked and neglected is the fact the Paul makes it clear that the Roman believers had also been the recipient of the same kind of effectual call as he himself had been, when he writes in Rom 1:6

6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

They are in fact as described here Isa 48:12

12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

Later Paul says of both jew and gentile believers including himself Rom 9:23-24

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

The Us here stands for the Called of Jesus Christ , Paul was called just like the ordinary believer was, Just to a higher role as an Apostle , for he was no more an Vessel of Mercy as they were, for all of God's Vessels of Mercy are very Special to Him ! 7

 

[brightfame52]

I'm certainly not disputing that Gentiles were called as well as Jews. But you are mistakenly inserting the idea of a small remnant on the total number of Gentiles who would end up coming to Christ. That word "remnant" is applied to the Jews only in prophecy - never to the Gentiles. And it specifically applied to the first-century generation of Jews. This is why there are verses such as "He came unto His own and His own received Him not." (John 1:11). What you need to do in order to prove your point is to post a verse with the phrase "Gentile remnant" in it.

I never said the remnant of gentiles called was small, but its a remnant still, and a remnant is noted to be small when compared to the whole, for instance when speaking of national israel God said Isa 1:9

Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah

Rom 9:27

Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
I believe the gentile remnant is large Rev 7:9-10
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

 

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I never said the remnant of gentiles called was small, but its a remnant still, and a remnant is noted to be small when compared to the whole, for instance when speaking of national israel God said Isa 1:9

Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah

I challenge you to find and post from scripture the words "Gentile remnant" or "remnant of the Gentiles". It's not there. I have never encountered this in my reading. The word "remnant" is applied to the ethnic nation of Israel, particularly in the first century generation. When Christ came back in AD 70, it would be to a nation in which it would be difficult to find those of faith in that nation. As in Luke 18:8, "... when the Son of Man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" This was in reference to the earth ("ges" - the land of Israel), in which faith of ethnic Israelites would be scarce. Even during Christ's earthly ministry, He emphasized concerning His dealing with Gentiles exhibiting great faith in Him, "I have not found so great faith, no not in Israel" (Matthew 8:10).

 

[brightfame52]

I challenge you to find and post from scripture the words "Gentile remnant" or "remnant of the Gentiles". It's not there. I have never encountered this in my reading. The word "remnant" is applied to the ethnic nation of Israel, particularly in the first century generation. When Christ came back in AD 70, it would be to a nation in which it would be difficult to find those of faith in that nation. As in Luke 18:8, "... when the Son of Man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" This was in reference to the earth ("ges" - the land of Israel), in which faith of ethnic Israelites would be scarce. Even during Christ's earthly ministry, He emphasized concerning His dealing with Gentiles exhibiting great faith in Him, "I have not found so great faith, no not in Israel" (Matthew 8:10).

Again God saves and calls a remnant from among the jews and then from the Gentiles.

 

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Again God saves and calls a remnant from among the jews and then from the Gentiles.

If there actually is a "remnant of the Gentiles" or a "Gentile remnant" phrase mentioned in scripture, then it shouldn't be difficult to post that reference or references. Do you have this?

 

[brightfame52]

If there actually is a "remnant of the Gentiles" or a "Gentile remnant" phrase mentioned in scripture, then it shouldn't be difficult to post that reference or references. Do you have this?

I gave you a reference and you denied it. Here it is again Acts 15:13-17

13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16After this I will return,
And will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down;
And I will build again the ruins thereof,
And I will set it up:
17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord,
And all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called,
Saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

 

[brightfame52]

Ye also the called of Jesus Christ ! 2



Now Paul was not Called more effectually than any other of the Called of Jesus Christ are called, it was merely more dramatic of a call and of course it put him in a different role[In His Body] than most, that of an Apostle ! This call as Paul's was, was according to the Sovereign Will of God in Christ 1 Cor 1:1

Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

Others were called to be: helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

The Call appoints different administrations, but the same Lord.

That word administrations is the greek word Diakonia and primarily means:

service, ministering, esp. of those who execute the commands of others
of those who by the command of God proclaim and promote religion among men

All for whom Christ died are redeemed to a spiritual service/ministry or role of some type Rom 12:4-8

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

Even before Called in time to service, the Called of Jesus Christ, they were in the Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus [sanctified] before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

And Jude 1:1

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

These verses point that Out ! So this Called is pecuiliar only to God's Elect among mankind and not mankid in general !

Now of course some objectors will ask about Matt 20:16

16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Matt 22:14

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Yes, those verses make reference to being called, many being called, versus few being chosen, but those verses are not speaking about the Called of Jesus Christ, the Called in both of these refer to national Israel, its an national covenant call and its historical development of which only a few were ever chosen, a remnant according to the Election of Grace, So those who are called in those portion of scripture, are not the Called of Jesus Christ !8

 

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13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

That doesn't say it is only a small "remnant of Gentiles" that will eventually be included in the total number of all the children of God. This is only talking about the very early church - "at the FIRST" - when God worked through Simon Peter to visit the Gentiles to select those such as Cornelius and his household as His elect.

16After this I will return,
And will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down;
And I will build again the ruins thereof,
And I will set it up:
17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord,
And all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called,
Saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

And this part is describing the gospel going first to the Jews - "the residue of men" - that would seek after the Lord. IN ADDITION to that remnant or residue of the Jews that the gospel was offered to first, then "all the Gentiles" that would be called by Christ's name would also seek after the Lord. As in the repeated description of how the gospel was first delivered in the early church - "To the Jew FIRST, and also to the Greek". Again, there is nowhere that the term "remnant of the Gentiles" or "Gentile remnant" is used in scripture.

You are artificially limiting the predicted expansion of God's kingdom among the nations of the world. God is not that stingy with His grace, by every testimony we have in scripture about the spread of the kingdom of God like leaven until the whole batch of bread dough is exposed to its effects. Not all are elected to come to Christ; we know that. But with the increasing expansion of God's kingdom in this world, the unregenerate keep having less and less excuse of claiming ignorance of God's kingdom.

 

[brightfame52]

That doesn't say it is only a small "remnant of Gentiles" that will eventually be included in the total number of all the children of God. This is only talking about the very early church - "at the FIRST" - when God worked through Simon Peter to visit the Gentiles to select those such as Cornelius and his household as His elect.

And this part is describing the gospel going first to the Jews - "the residue of men" - that would seek after the Lord. IN ADDITION to that remnant or residue of the Jews that the gospel was offered to first, then "all the Gentiles" that would be called by Christ's name would also seek after the Lord. As in the repeated description of how the gospel was first delivered in the early church - "To the Jew FIRST, and also to the Greek". Again, there is nowhere that the term "remnant of the Gentiles" or "Gentile remnant" is used in scripture.

You are artificially limiting the predicted expansion of God's kingdom among the nations of the world. God is not that stingy with His grace, by every testimony we have in scripture about the spread of the kingdom of God like leaven until the whole batch of bread dough is exposed to its effects. Not all are elected to come to Christ; we know that. But with the increasing expansion of God's kingdom in this world, the unregenerate keep having less and less excuse of claiming ignorance of God's kingdom.

Its a remnant, and a remnant is always smaller than the whole. Its that which remains or is left behind. This remnant, though small and a few compared to the whole, yet its a very large populace Rev 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation
Rev 7:9-14
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

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Its a remnant, and a remnant is always smaller than the whole. Its that which remains or is left behind. This remnant, though small and a few compared to the whole, yet its a very large populace Rev 5:9

Yes a remnant is smaller than the 100% whole. But Gentiles were never called a remnant. Paul wrote of the ethnic Jews of that first-century generation having a remnant, according to the election of grace (Romans 11:5). But he never wrote about a "Gentile remnant".

We really should be referring to percentages of all mankind. The entire number of elected mankind is not the whole 100% of mankind (which would be universalism), but it is certainly not a small minority, say, 2% for example. God was going to bring "MANY sons unto glory"; so many that the multitude could not be numbered. And even if God elected to save 99.9999% of mankind, those would still be considered to be "taken out of" the whole 100% of all mankind.

It is only your assumption that the total number of elect over all of human history will be "small and few" compared to the whole. I don't believe scripture gives us that impression at all. Quite the contrary.

 

[brightfame52]

Ye also the called of Jesus Christ ! 3

The called of Jesus Christ is an effectual call and a irresistible call which does effect, bring into fruition the Purpose of God, its a Call by God's Purpose that effects it in time like here in the Call of Paul's Ministry Eph 3:7

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

I want to highlight something here in this verse, Paul says he was made a minister or servant. The word made here is the greek word Ginomai and its a Creation word which means:


to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen of events

to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage of men appearing in public

to be made, finished of miracles, to be performed, wrought

to become, be made

So this being made a Servant / Minister is a Creation of God's Power and Grace and Spirit, and this is not something that mans freewill has anything to do with, for man has no part in what God purposed to make or Create by the Effectual working of His Power !

This verse Eph 3:7 is describing the mechanics of his being called by the Grace of God as stated here Gal 1:15

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

And all the Called of Jesus Christ [members of His Body] shall experience that same effectual working of His Power [the effectual call] , thus being made willing in the DAY OF HIS POWER as forecasted here Ps 110:3

3 Thy people [The Church] shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

Paul was made willing in the Day of Christ's Power towards Acts 9:6

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

See how inn the day of Christ's Power he was made willing ? Now where was Christ at the Time ? Was He not in the place spoken of here in the Psalm 110:1-3

The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

Christ was then when He called Paul by His Irrestible Power at the Right Hand of the Majesty on High ! Heb 1:3

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

That's the Day of His Power, remember He told His called disciples Matt 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

That's the Power exercised upon all whom are the Called of Jesus Christ ! 8

 

[Mr GLee]

The called are Israel. Don't confuse covenant Israel with Gentiles of whom God made no covenant.
That seems to be the position of Gentile Christians who usurp and attemt theft of Israel's covenant with God. They attempt to steal Israel's covenant and promises and their salvation and try to make it say, "Salvation is of the Gentiles!" which is a lie.
Israel is God's Chosen people and apple of His eye.
Israel is the Bride of Christ and True Church of God. They hold all the covenants and the promises and salvation for God has given it to them.
God made no covenant with Gentiles. God is merely bringing them in without a covenant.

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Rom. 9:4–5.

Christ was not Promised to Gentiles. They should be grateful for the will be at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb and His Bride by invitation.
Israel is at the Marriage Supper through covenant.

Remember not all Israel is born again Israel. Just like not all that claim to be Christians are. No difference.

And in Isiah 62 the promise he would use the flesh of a Jew to represent all the nations under Abaham to represent our father in heaven came to a end at the time of the first century reformation. The gospel explosion one like never before or ever again the walls came down that separated the Jewish woman (men only ceremonies club) and the wall that separated the gentile. Believer from all nations become one. . . the shadows fell.

Christ as Abrham the "father of many nations". He promised to rename his bride to reveal to the world it was never about the dying flesh of a Jew but about the salvation of all the nations. He renamed her in Acts Christian, a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations as families of the world .

Christian literally meaning "residents of the city of Christ prepared for his bride the church", named after her husband and founder Christ.

Jacobs the deceivers born again testimony. Remember not all Israel is born again Israel. Have you been born again?

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Previously the deceiver no power dead in trespass and sin without God

Isaiah 62King James Version For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

You could say the Jew were used to hide the gospel the same gospel they must believe. Gods living words prophecy. . preaching to themselves. A man must be born again.

 

[brightfame52]

Ye also the called of Jesus Christ ! 4


This being called of Jesus Christ, is not according to our works [anything done by us] 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

This is a huge truth that needs to be reemphasized, that the Call of Grace in Time by the Eternal Spirit of God, in behalf of Christ, is brought about and effected, not by our works, or making a decision , or by the mythical freewill of ours, nor because of any act of ours, but according to God's Own Purpose and Grace given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, a call also grounded in God's Purpose of Eternal Election Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth ) 8

 

[jeremiah1five]

Remember not all Israel is born again Israel. Just like not all that claim to be Christians are. No difference.

If a person is born a Jew [Israel] then they are a [Jew] Israel.
I suppose someone born Irish is not Irish?
Don't get ahead of yourself.

And in Isiah 62 the promise he would use the flesh of a Jew to represent all the nations under Abaham to represent our father in heaven came to a end at the time of the first century reformation.

There was nothing in the first century that needed reforming where God's Covenant(s) are concerned. God will not use a Jew to represent anyone other than a Jew.

The gospel explosion one like never before or ever again the walls came down that separated the Jewish woman (men only ceremonies club) and the wall that separated the gentile. Believer from all nations become one. . . the shadows fell.

Not true. There are still three distinct entities where Jew, Gentile, and church of God is concerned.
1 Cor. 10:32.

Christ as Abrham the "father of many nations". He promised to rename his bride to reveal to the world it was never about the dying flesh of a Jew but about the salvation of all the nations. He renamed her in Acts Christian, a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations as families of the world .

Not clear what you're saying here. But the "nations" Abraham is the father of are those of his own seed.

Christian literally meaning "residents of the city of Christ prepared for his bride the church", named after her husband and founder Christ.

That's a bit much. Christ-follower is the simplified version.

Jacobs the deceivers born again testimony. Remember not all Israel is born again Israel. Have you been born again?

Nor is anyone born-again Gentile a born-again Jew.

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Previously the deceiver no power dead in trespass and sin without God

God is a God of the living. Remember.

Isaiah 62King James Version For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

You could say the Jew were used to hide the gospel the same gospel they must believe. Gods living words prophecy. . preaching to themselves. A man must be born again.

I understand 'born-again,' but in the reest you lost me.
Again.

 

[Mr GLee]

If a person is born a Jew [Israel] then they are a [Jew] Israel.
I suppose someone born Irish is not Irish?
Don't get ahead of yourself.

It's the inward Jew according to the Spirit of Christ. If any man from any nation has not the Spirit of Christ then they do not belong to God
God is not a Jewish man dying flesh is dying flesh it never becomes a living spirit

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;(flesh) whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

There was nothing in the first century that needed reforming where God's Covenant(s) are concerned. God will not use a Jew to represent anyone other than a Jew.

Really so Kings in Israel the abomination of desolation did not need reforming ? Who and where is the king of the Jews today ?

Why did the time or reformation come ?(Hebrew 9)

Not true. There are still three distinct entities where Jew, Gentile, and church of God is concerned.
1 Cor. 10:32.

One bride the church made up of all the nations of the world.

Not true. There are still three distinct entities where Jew, Gentile, and church of God is concerned.
1 Cor. 10:32

The verse simply saying do not offend the Christians made of Jews and gentiles Nothing about venerating the flesh of dying mankind. Neither Jew nor gentile Male or female

1 Cor.10: 32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God

That's a bit much. Christ-follower is the simplified version.

It what the father purposed to name her/ a denomyn people know by residents . Every word has a purpose to it . God defines what a Jew is and what it is not. . .

Christian . . . residents of the city of Christ prepared for His bride the omne church .A more befitting name to name the one bride of all the nation,

"Christ follower" is what they do not the new name the father promised in Isaiah 62

Nor is anyone born-again Gentile a born-again Jew.

It either born again Jew or born again gentile . Some Jews still under the influence of Jacob the deceiver thought there Jewish flesh was the ticket to get in the the reformed churches they needed more than DNA . . . a born again new spirit

Revelation 2:9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

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It's the inward Jew according to the Spirit of Christ. If any man from any nation has not the Spirit of Christ then they do not belong to God
God is not a Jewish man dying flesh is dying flesh it never becomes a living spirit

You overthink this. God has an eternal covenant with Abraham and his seed which generically are identified as "Israel."
God made covenant with Abraham before the Holy Spirit came so those not "in Christ" but still biologically "Jew" are still in covenant and recipient of the covenant and the covenant blessings.

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;(flesh) whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Really so Kings in Israel the abomination of desolation did not need reforming ? Who and where is the king of the Jews today ?

At the right hand of the Father (which is another way of saying, "with God the Father."

You have a strange way of tossing in things that have nothing to do with the discussion and then when I question those things you say we're off in another direction. In other words, I read your statements, and they don't seem disciplined in thought, and you have a mixture of clay and iron, like the ten toes.

Why did the time or reformation come ?(Hebrew 9)

I presume you're referring to this:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Heb 9:9–14.

The answer is this:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Heb 9:14.

One bride the church made up of all the nations of the world.

God is not betrothed to "all nations of the world" for "all nations of the world" are not mentioned in the verse, but Israel is.
When you read "nations" it must be understood in context to the overall thought flow of the verse or statement. If you include "all nations of the world" in the Abrahamic or Mosaic, given to Abraham and the children of Israel, respectively, then you've erased the lines between covenant and non-covenant and blur, or erase the lines between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman.
The result is confusion.

The verse simply saying do not offend the Christians made of Jews and gentiles Nothing about venerating the flesh of dying mankind. Neither Jew nor gentile Male or female

1 Cor.10: 32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God

It what the father purposed to name her/ a denomyn people know by residents . Every word has a purpose to it . God defines what a Jew is and what it is not. . .

A "Jew" is one from the tribe of Judah and it is used generally to identify Israel.

Christian . . . residents of the city of Christ prepared for His bride the omne church .A more befitting name to name the one bride of all the nation,
"Christ follower" is what they do not the new name the father promised in Isaiah 62
It either born again Jew or born again gentile . Some Jews still under the influence of Jacob the deceiver thought there Jewish flesh was the ticket to get in the the reformed churches they needed more than DNA . . . a born again new spirit

Again, erasing the lines between covenant and non-covenant end up in confusion.

Revelation 2:9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Those that say they are Jewish/Jew are Gentile Christians who try to make themselves children/sons of Abraham just because they are born-again. It's a misreading of Galatians 3:28-29.

 

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Ye also the called of Jesus Christ ! 5


Other names for that specific and special call of Jesus Christ are #1 The High Calling of which Christ apprehends the called one Phil 3:14

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Vs 12 says :

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

The word Katalambano and means:

to lay hold of to lay hold of so as to make one's own, to obtain, attain to, to make one's own, to take into one's self, appropriate

of Christ by his holy power and influence laying hold of the human mind and will, in order to prompt and govern it

That's the end result of that Call !

Its an Heavenly Calling Heb 3:1

Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Its an Holy Calling 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 8