The Called !

[brightfame52]

The Called according to His Purpose !


Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Now who are exactly the Called according to His Purpose ? Tat would be the Elect of God, for they are called according to God's Purpose of Election Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

Its also grounded in God's Purpose and Grace 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Which is the Purpose of the Election of Grace Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the[Purpose]of election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Now understand something, all men are not recipients of this Call, not objects of it.

There is a calling that is strictly limited to the Called as Per 1 Cor 1:23-24

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

In the greek its "τοῖς κλητοῖς " the definite article identifes them as a distinct group apart from all others, they are even the Called the Chosen here 1 Cor 1:26-28

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

So there is a Called which has been Chosen !

 

[brightfame52]

The Called according to His Purpose ! 2

Now many adversaries like to appeal to Matt 20:16; 22:14, which scriptures indicate that many are called but few chosen, hence making a difference between the Called and the Chosen ! This is True in these cases, but we deny that the called in those Two verses are the Called of Rom 8:28 ! We believe the called but not chosen in Matt 20:16; 22:14 refers to the Many of national israel, Abraham's natural , physical descendants, his children of the flesh Rom 9:8 but not of the promise ! Paul shows the difference here Rom 11:7

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election or chosen hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

The Many here was Called National Israel, but the Chosen or Election was the few !

Now the Election of Rom 11:7 would be the same ones in Rom 9:11 which are according to God's Purpose of Election being called ! Which would be the same ones out of the jews that belonged to the Called of Rom 8:28 called according to His Purpose; which He also foreknew Rom 8:28-29

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

And of course those He foreknew were His People Rom 11:2

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

The foreknew are the chosen here in Matt 20:16; 22:14. I took the time to explain that the Called in the Epistles as regard Salvation are also the Chosen or Elect, whereas in the Matthew verses it means only to the called physical descendants of Abraham that formulated the physical nation, but not of the elect of that nation !

So Rom 8:28 is restricted to the Called according to the Purpose of God's Election Rom 9:11 !

 

[brightfame52]

The Called ! First sanctified !


There is a selected group among mankind that are the Called or the Called of Jesus Christ, Paul calls them " Us whom He hath called" Rom 9:24

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Now these are special in that they are sanctified before they are called by the Gospel 2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Sanctification of the Spirit goes before the call of the Gospel, and in fact prepares for it !

Another scripture to this purport Jude 1:1

Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

And these sanctified ones who are called, by that caling they are manifested as the Elect of God, so Peter writes of a calling and election 2 Pet 1:10

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

This also lends credence to the Fact that its the Elect who are called by the Gospel ! 8

 

[grace2]

All professed believers are called.

But few are chosen.

The chosen are the ones who will be in God's kingdom.

This is what Jesus says:

Luke 13:24
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.

 

[ChristB4us]

All professed believers are called.

But few are chosen.

The chosen are the ones who will be in God's kingdom.

This is what Jesus says:

Luke 13:24
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.

How do you apply Luke 13:24 to mean in the context of Luke 13:24-30?

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

I apply it as meaning if any professing believer seeks to come to God the father in worship, prayer, and fellowship, then they have to come to the Father by the only way provided and that is His Son.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
This is the standard of judgments raised over the believers in Luke 13:24-30.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Because of the modified Nicene creed of 381 A.D. that ecumenical creed had broadened the way in the worship place by including the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son thereby coming to the Father by way of the blessed "Trinity" & even by way of the Holy Spirit as well and yet there is no other way to honor the Father in worship, prayer, nor fellowship other than by just honoring the Son.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The modified Nicene creed had broadened the way and is creating the principle of antichrist as "instead of Christ" as in "instead of the Son".

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.... 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

So because of that long held church tradition & practice not taught specifically in the N.T. , when they read John 14:6 & John 5:22-23, they just gloss over it as if He did not really mean that but just talking about salvation, and yet John 14:6 came in context with the promise at the beginning of the chapter which is about why they shall be chosen to attend the Marriage Supper above.

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So regardless of the miracles like healings, prophecies generated by miraculous visions, & casting out of devils in these movement of the "Holy Spirit", they had done those things not by the only way of Jesus Christ in coming to od the Father by, but chasing after that phenomenon which can occur when their focus is not on the Son in coming to God the Father by but their focus is on the Holy Spirit.

And yet the Holy Spirit in us would lead us to focus on the Son, the Bridegroom in living that reconciled relationship with the Father.

So the principle of the antichrist as being "instead of the Son" is how and why the spirits of the antichrist may come to lead many astray thinking that was the Holy Spirit's "visitation" when their focus was on the Holy Spirit in worship when it was not.

And so in the interest of keeping the faith which is the good fight and in respect to the topic of the chosen out of the many that are called, I ask you how do you apply Luke 13:24 to mean in the context of Luke 13:24-30?

 

[grace2]

How do you apply Luke 13:24 to mean in the context of Luke 13:24-30?

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

I apply it as meaning if any professing believer seeks to come to God the father in worship, prayer, and fellowship, then they have to come to the Father by the only way provided and that is His Son.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
This is the standard of judgments raised over the believers in Luke 13:24-30.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Because of the modified Nicene creed of 381 A.D. that ecumenical creed had broadened the way in the worship place by including the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son thereby coming to the Father by way of the blessed "Trinity" & even by way of the Holy Spirit as well and yet there is no other way to honor the Father in worship, prayer, nor fellowship other than by just honoring the Son.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The modified Nicene creed had broadened the way and is creating the principle of antichrist as "instead of Christ" as in "instead of the Son".

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.... 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

So because of that long held church tradition & practice not taught specifically in the N.T. , when they read John 14:6 & John 5:22-23, they just gloss over it as if He did not really mean that but just talking about salvation, and yet John 14:6 came in context with the promise at the beginning of the chapter which is about why they shall be chosen to attend the Marriage Supper above.

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So regardless of the miracles like healings, prophecies generated by miraculous visions, & casting out of devils in these movement of the "Holy Spirit", they had done those things not by the only way of Jesus Christ in coming to od the Father by, but chasing after that phenomenon which can occur when their focus is not on the Son in coming to God the Father by but their focus is on the Holy Spirit.

And yet the Holy Spirit in us would lead us to focus on the Son, the Bridegroom in living that reconciled relationship with the Father.

So the principle of the antichrist as being "instead of the Son" is how and why the spirits of the antichrist may come to lead many astray thinking that was the Holy Spirit's "visitation" when their focus was on the Holy Spirit in worship when it was not.

And so in the interest of keeping the faith which is the good fight and in respect to the topic of the chosen out of the many that are called, I ask you how do you apply Luke 13:24 to mean in the context of Luke 13:24-30?

I don't see any discrepancy in any of those.

 

[ChristB4us]

I don't see any discrepancy in any of those.

Thanks for sharing and confirming the word.

 

[grace2]

Thanks for sharing and confirming the word.

In fact, all those statements confirm most Calvinists' claims are false.

such as faith only, our works will not save us etc...

without observing what Jesus commands, there is no salvation, period.

 

[ChristB4us]

In fact, all those statements confirm most Calvinists' claims are false.

such as faith only, our works will not save us etc...

without observing what Jesus commands, there is no salvation, period.

Romans 8:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

it is not for obtaining salvation but to obtain the high prize of our calling in Christ Jesus to be that vessel unto honor in His House which is the eternal glory that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus; hence the why that many are called but few are chosen.

Just to clarify my position, those unrepentant saints & former believers left behind are still saved and so works has nothing to do with obtaining salvation, but the high prize of our calling in being partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection as that vessel unto honor in His House by abiding in Him & His words as His disciples & not be found in unrepentant iniquity so as to escape what is coming on the earth.

2 Timothy 2:10-13;18-21 KJV & 2 Peter 3:3-15 KJV

Luke 12:40-49 KJV <---- Jesus warned His disciples that those not ready to leave, will receive stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready & lesser stripes for the lack of knowledge for not being ready, but stripes they shall receive while still called His servants even though left behind to face that fire coming on the third of the earth and the rest facing the coming great tribulation on the rest of the world.

Hebrews 12:1-10 KJV <-- And yet, Paul listed the consequence for not resisting sin and thus failing to run that race is when the Father scourges every child He receives so that they may be partakers of His holiness and so that explains the stripes on those left behind in Luke 12:40-49.

So there is ample evidence that running that race as abiding in him as His disciple by faith in Jesus Christ to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily, is for the high prize of our calling to be that vessel unto honor in His House because those "disqualified" are still saved when left behind.

So let us not engage in discipleship to obtain salvation because that would be considered a work of iniquity that denies Him as our Saviour, but rather engage in discipleship in running that race by faith in Jesus Christ to finish His work in us to His glory as the crowns we shall receive are really His crowning achievements in us which is to His glory for why we would cast our crowns at His feet. He did it as we are the works of His hands.

Luke 21:33-36;14:15-24 KJV <--- There is also a necessity to pray that we be not overcharged by the cares of this life that the day takes us unaware, because it can serve as a snare for how and why saved believers may not want to leave as if torn between obligations or man-made commitments as opposed to being free of them to be at liberty when Christ takes us Home above.

 

[grace2]

Romans 8:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

it is not for obtaining salvation but to obtain the high prize of our calling in Christ Jesus to be that vessel unto honor in His House which is the eternal glory that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus; hence the why that many are called but few are chosen.

Just to clarify my position, those unrepentant saints & former believers left behind are still saved and so works has nothing to do with obtaining salvation, but the high prize of our calling in being partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection as that vessel unto honor in His House by abiding in Him & His words as His disciples & not be found in unrepentant iniquity so as to escape what is coming on the earth.

2 Timothy 2:10-13;18-21 KJV & 2 Peter 3:3-15 KJV

Luke 12:40-49 KJV <---- Jesus warned His disciples that those not ready to leave, will receive stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready & lesser stripes for the lack of knowledge for not being ready, but stripes they shall receive while still called His servants even though left behind to face that fire coming on the third of the earth and the rest facing the coming great tribulation on the rest of the world.

Hebrews 12:1-10 KJV <-- And yet, Paul listed the consequence for not resisting sin and thus failing to run that race is when the Father scourges every child He receives so that they may be partakers of His holiness and so that explains the stripes on those left behind in Luke 12:40-49.

So there is ample evidence that running that race as abiding in him as His disciple by faith in Jesus Christ to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily, is for the high prize of our calling to be that vessel unto honor in His House because those "disqualified" are still saved when left behind.

So let us not engage in discipleship to obtain salvation because that would be considered a work of iniquity that denies Him as our Saviour, but rather engage in discipleship in running that race by faith in Jesus Christ to finish His work in us to His glory as the crowns we shall receive are really His crowning achievements in us which is to His glory for why we would cast our crowns at His feet. He did it as we are the works of His hands.

Luke 21:33-36;14:15-24 KJV <--- There is also a necessity to pray that we be not overcharged by the cares of this life that the day takes us unaware, because it can serve as a snare for how and why saved believers may not want to leave as if torn between obligations or man-made commitments as opposed to being free of them to be at liberty when Christ takes us Home above.

Is this supposed to be a counterargument against my comment?

 

[ChristB4us]

Is this supposed to be a counterargument against my comment?

Your previous statements were;

"In fact, all those statements confirm most Calvinists' claims are false.

such as faith only, our works will not save us etc...

without observing what Jesus commands, there is no salvation, period." ~~ end of your previous quote.

Yes, it is in counterargument but with clarification;

We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ of those that believe, but not everyone will abide in Him & His words in being His disciples in being fruitful and to be received as that vessel unto honor in His House at the pre great tribulation rapture event which is the importance of maintaining that kind of good work, if anyone wants to avoid being left behind when the Bridegroom comes to judge His House first.

Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

2 Peter 3:3-15 KJV <------ This is the enduring to the end that Peter was talking about for believers to be saved from by escaping that fiery calamity that is coming on the earth after the pre great tribulation rapture event.

It is not for obtaining salvation, since those left behind are still saved, but for running that race for the high prize of our calling to be that vessel unto honor in His House.

 

[grace2]

Your previous statements were;

"In fact, all those statements confirm most Calvinists' claims are false.

such as faith only, our works will not save us etc...

without observing what Jesus commands, there is no salvation, period." ~~ end of your previous quote.

Yes, it is in counterargument but with clarification;

We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ of those that believe,

[/QUOTE]

So you nalify Jesus' word of to be faithful to Him until the end?

 

[ChristB4us]

So you nalify Jesus' word of to be faithful to Him until the end?

Can you address the scripture references for which I had applied them for that discipleship is not for obtaining salvation but for the rapture?

By His grace & by His help, I am applying His words to mean abiding in Him as His disciple to the end to be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House to sit at the Marriage Supper Table in Heaven to avoid being left behind and getting stripes for not being ready.

Because those saints & former believers who are found not abiding in Him nor willing to leave this life behind, will be left behind to die, but they are still His & thus still saved, but they will be weeping and gnashing their teeth for not being ready. God will wipe the tears from their eyes to get past that loss of being partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection, as they will serve Him as the King of kings when they are resurrected after the great tribulation.

You misapply Jesus' words as if to obtain salvation but that would be denying Him as the Saviour then as if you are saved by you doing works.

That is not grace if you have to do works to obtain salvation. Scripture has testified to that effect.

If you run that race or use discipleship as a means to obtain salvation, you would wind up denying Him as your Saviour.

Run that race as saved, but by faith in Him to help you run to obtain the imperishable crown which is still by faith because you have to look to Jesus Christ daily to help you lay aside every weight & sin for the high prize of our calling to be that vessel unto honor in His House.

 

[grace2]

Can you address the scripture references for which I had applied them for that discipleship is not for obtaining salvation but for the rapture?

You will be raptured if you have been faithful to Him.

The rapture is part of salvation.

 

[ChristB4us]

You will be raptured if you have been faithful to Him.

The rapture is part of salvation.

The rapture is the high prize of our calling for running that race by faith in Jesus Christ in the obtaining that "eternal glory" in being that "vessel unto honor in His House" that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus AND that crown has to be achieved by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily.

No one should run that race by looking to themselves to save themselves les they deny Jesus Christ as the Saviour by running that race in that way.

 

[grace2]

No one should run that race by looking to themselves to save themselves les they deny Jesus Christ as the Saviour by running that race in that way.

So Jesus' word to be faithful to the end has nothing to do with salvation?

 

[Mr GLee]

You overthink this. God has an eternal covenant with Abraham and his seed which generically are identified as "Israel."
God made covenant with Abraham before the Holy Spirit came so those not "in Christ" but still biologically "Jew" are still in covenant and recipient of the covenant and the covenant blessings.

The seed "one": is the Spirit of Christ that worked in Abraham to both reveal his will to Abraham to do empower Abraham to the good pleasure of the Holy Father.

Therefore not after the dying flesh of Abraham. Used to signify our invisible God as the Father of all the nations

The unbelieving Jew as a law of men "I heard it through the fathers grape vine" sought after earthly Abraham seeking after the dead for the living. It brings to mind one of do not even "think about it" doctrines of Christ

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

God could use any nation to show his handwork.

 

[ChristB4us]

So Jesus' word to be faithful to the end has nothing to do with salvation?

How about showing scripture of Jesus saying that so I can see how you are misapplying what He meant in the context of that message by His grace & by His help?

 

[Mr GLee]

You have a strange way of tossing in things that have nothing to do with the discussion and then when I question those things you say we're off in another direction. In other words, I read your statements, and they don't seem disciplined in thought, and you have a mixture of clay and iron, like the ten toes.

Sorry if it seems that way. A mixture is needed to make the whole testimony of God. No mixing no gospel

Note.... beleivers who do mix. And non believers those who do not mix, The temporal historical literal must be mixed with the unseen eternal things of God's faith. . or labor of love. . . . hid in parables

Hebrews 4King James Version Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

I would suggest the use of the interpreting law thatI call the 20/20 prescription a mix needed to rightly divide the parables therefore by which we can enter the eternal rest

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Valuable study tool. I would suggest write the mix on ones forehead .

 

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The seed "one": is the Spirit of Christ that worked in Abraham to both reveal his will to Abraham to do empower Abraham to the good pleasure of the Holy Father.

When Christ returns He's going to honor and keep His covenant with Israel. There are still many promises to be kept and through covenant and in accordance with prophecies God will elevate Himself as King of the Jews and elevate His people to whom He is betrothed and to whom He died.

Therefore not after the dying flesh of Abraham. Used to signify our invisible God as the Father of all the nations

The unbelieving Jew as a law of men "I heard it through the fathers grape vine" sought after earthly Abraham seeking after the dead for the living. It brings to mind one of do not even "think about it" doctrines of Christ

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Speaking to the religious leaders sent to John from Jerusalem. But Israel proper, the people, received Him and that's not counting the twelve tribes scattered throughout the then-known world who were not in Jerusalem the day He was crucified. These waited for the Consolation of Israel and when the Holy Spirit came were the FIRST to hear the gospel from those who were first born again at Pentecost that returned to their synagogues and homes preaching Jesus.

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
God could use any nation to show his handwork.

Could have but didn't.

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.
Dt 7:6–10.

So, take heed of your attitude towards the LORD'S Chosen. He will curse those that curses His people and just might raise up a stone to replace you.