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[Mr GLee]

True. But the Abrahamic Covenant was between God and the Hebrew people through Abram the Hebrew, and God is careful to identify Abram as Hebrew from the family of Eber, whose family line were obedient to God. Circumcision was only a sign of the covenant God made with Abram and his seed, a people the world would come to know as the children of Jacob/Israel aka the Jews.

Notice verse twelve where Saul says Abraham was "OUR" father. Gentiles do not have Abraham as their father because Gentiles do not come from the seed of Abraham.

. . .Looks like you forgot to not think like those who called Peter, Christ . . . their Holy Father,

Traditions of dying mankind passed from the Pharisees' with Sadducees destroying the invisible head Christ, the bloody husband because of circummsion

Matthew 3:9And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham (Peter) to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones (gentiles) to raise up children unto Abraham( Peter) .

God is not a Hebrew dying man as King of kings>

The first cetury reformation came and it still doing it works to protect sola scriptura the final authority in matters of faith . . . . . the unseen eternal things of God )

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Covenant with Abraham was before circumcision Rom 4:9-13,16-17

I said I agree. But Abram was born into an obedient Hebrew family line. God makes this known by His identifying Abram as Hebrew born from the obedient family line of Shem, who was a son of God and descendant of Seth.

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

What you're trying to do is equate being uncircumcised as being non-Hebrew Gentile but that is wrong. Abram was born from the obedient family line going back to Eber whose name means a couple of things one of which is where the Hebrew ethnicity began. There were two groups of people in existence and always have been, those disobedient descendants of Adam which later became a disobedient line leading up to Nimrod and beyond, a family from Japheth and Ham.
And Shem, one of Noah's sons that was blessed and from whom the Hebrew ancestry derives.

After the naked Noah incident of which Shem was guilty with Ham, God did an astounding thing. He cursed Ham but placed blessing over Shem. Both guilty but one absolved.

26 And he said,
Blessed be the LORD God of Shem;
Gen. 9:26.

And already Shem and God had relationship. Like father (Noah), like son (Shem), who we can discern was also a man who found grace in the eyes of the Lord as God blessed him identifying the LORD as His God. The minimal record of Noah's three sons' descendants shows up in Genesis 10.

Now, pay attention.
Abraham was the first declared Hebrew, first before the time it was in Abraham that a special people was to be used of God for a special purpose. Suddenly there were two kinds of people. Hebrew and Gentile (non-Hebrew) and God is making distinction between the family of Shem against the families of Ham and Japheth. As a matter of fact STUDY the families from Genesis 4. I did and it is a difficult task. So, unless you've actually studied the Genesis genealogy then you don't know what you're talking about and definitely will come up with the fantastical teaching from Gentiles that "sons of God" meant "angels" which is the error you hold to because you've never independently studied the family lines of "seed of the woman (obedient and in relationship with God), and the seed of the serpent (disobedient and NOT in relationship with God.)
The term goyim came to mean “not Jewish” and holds that meaning today.
The Jews today are seen as the entire people of the twelve tribes. The difference between terms Jewish and Israelite are critical as well.

Genesis 1-12 Gentile meant any and all nations all wrapped into one ball, both obedient Sethian line identified as "sons of God", and the disobedient line identified as "daughters of men" such as from which Nimrod eventually was born. Just follow the family births in Genesis 10 and 11.
Genesis 13 forward goyim makes its first significant shift means all nations not Hebrew nations. The only Hebrew nation to exist is Israel. But there are non-Hebrews born to Abe and Sarai but only to be identified "nations" and yet not-Hebrew and not possessing the Promises. It's confusing but it is understandable.

Even in Genesis 17 "nations" didn't mean "non-Hebrew" but a people who did not receive the promise for how can a biological non-Hebrew be born to a Hebrew man (Abe) and a Hebrew woman (Sarai)?

16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her. Gen. 17:16.

Sarai was a "mother of nations" but these "nations" are not non-Hebrew Gentile because it is impossible for non-Hebrews to be born of two Hebrew parents. When used of Sarah in means a people who do not possess the Abrahamic Promises since Abraham had other children, but none were the children of Promise except Isaac. Then Jacob, then Jacob's twelve sons and their descendants.

Ishmael was non-Hebrew born to a Hebrew father and Egyptian mother. The promise went to Isaac who was the child of Promise meaning that from a dead womb a miracle birth would occur, the birth of a Hebrew son born to two Hebrew parents, a birth in whom the Abrahamic Promises would pass. Then there is Jacob born to two Hebrew parents, and Esau also born of two Hebrew parents but not considered Hebrew because he sold his birthright of being Hebrew to his brother and twin, Jacob. All this was planned of God. So, if God ordained to put in Esau's heart to sell his birthright is God solely to blame?
Someone needs to study the bible under the anointing rather than studying it in the flesh relying on Gentile commentaries and theology because even in the Gentile 'church' there are those obedient living in the Spirit and those disobedient living carnal lives in the flesh.

 

[Arial]

I said I agree. But Abram was born into an obedient Hebrew family line. God makes this known by His identifying Abram as Hebrew born from the obedient family line of Shem, who was a son of God and descendant of Seth.

The line of the Seed bearer as seen in Gen 3 and Matt 3:9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, "We have Abraham as our father" I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

Rom 9:6-8 For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named." This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

22-24 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory---even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles.

Gal 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

Gen 3:14-15 The Lord God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring (seed) and her offspring; he shall crush your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

Ethnic/national Israel is an important and necessary part of redemption, but it is not the be all and end all of redemption. Redemption is not about ethnicity or temporal land. It is about Christ. And the end game is Rev 21:1-7.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The line of the Seed bearer as seen in Gen 3 and Matt 3:9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, "We have Abraham as our father" I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

Rom 9:6-8 For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named." This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

22-24 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory---even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles.

Gal 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

Gen 3:14-15 The Lord God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring (seed) and her offspring; he shall crush your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

Ethnic/national Israel is an important and necessary part of redemption, but it is not the be all and end all of redemption. Redemption is not about ethnicity or temporal land. It is about Christ. And the end game is Rev 21:1-7.

It is the end all when they are the only ones holding covenant with God. And by making a covenant with Abram established an ethnicity from whom Israel's Messiah, Redeemer, and King would be born.
The whole bible records God's dealing with one people and one people only. By making covenant with Abram the Hebrew God is very ethnic in choosing one people ABOVE all the peoples of the earth. This is an elect people of God, special, holy, and a people out of the world and to whom He's Promised His Spirit to dwell in them and placing His Law in their hearts. God does all these things with no one else. They were chosen from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world. God is not 'sitting and waiting around to see who will accept His Son," He is actively taking out a people for Himself and none of this people are Gentile. It is about both ethnicity and land. All 66 'books' of the Hebrew Scripture scream this truth from its pages.

 

[brightfame52]

I said I agree. But Abram was born into an obedient Hebrew family line. God makes this known by His identifying Abram as Hebrew born from the obedient family line of Shem, who was a son of God and descendant of Seth.

What you're trying to do is equate being uncircumcised as being non-Hebrew Gentile but that is wrong. Abram was born from the obedient family line going back to Eber whose name means a couple of things one of which is where the Hebrew ethnicity began. There were two groups of people in existence and always have been, those disobedient descendants of Adam which later became a disobedient line leading up to Nimrod and beyond, a family from Japheth and Ham.
And Shem, one of Noah's sons that was blessed and from whom the Hebrew ancestry derives.

After the naked Noah incident of which Shem was guilty with Ham, God did an astounding thing. He cursed Ham but placed blessing over Shem. Both guilty but one absolved.

26 And he said,
Blessed be the LORD God of Shem;
Gen. 9:26.

And already Shem and God had relationship. Like father (Noah), like son (Shem), who we can discern was also a man who found grace in the eyes of the Lord as God blessed him identifying the LORD as His God. The minimal record of Noah's three sons' descendants shows up in Genesis 10.

Now, pay attention.
Abraham was the first declared Hebrew, first before the time it was in Abraham that a special people was to be used of God for a special purpose. Suddenly there were two kinds of people. Hebrew and Gentile (non-Hebrew) and God is making distinction between the family of Shem against the families of Ham and Japheth. As a matter of fact STUDY the families from Genesis 4. I did and it is a difficult task. So, unless you've actually studied the Genesis genealogy then you don't know what you're talking about and definitely will come up with the fantastical teaching from Gentiles that "sons of God" meant "angels" which is the error you hold to because you've never independently studied the family lines of "seed of the woman (obedient and in relationship with God), and the seed of the serpent (disobedient and NOT in relationship with God.)
The term goyim came to mean “not Jewish” and holds that meaning today.
The Jews today are seen as the entire people of the twelve tribes. The difference between terms Jewish and Israelite are critical as well.

Genesis 1-12 Gentile meant any and all nations all wrapped into one ball, both obedient Sethian line identified as "sons of God", and the disobedient line identified as "daughters of men" such as from which Nimrod eventually was born. Just follow the family births in Genesis 10 and 11.
Genesis 13 forward goyim makes its first significant shift means all nations not Hebrew nations. The only Hebrew nation to exist is Israel. But there are non-Hebrews born to Abe and Sarai but only to be identified "nations" and yet not-Hebrew and not possessing the Promises. It's confusing but it is understandable.

Even in Genesis 17 "nations" didn't mean "non-Hebrew" but a people who did not receive the promise for how can a biological non-Hebrew be born to a Hebrew man (Abe) and a Hebrew woman (Sarai)?

16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her. Gen. 17:16.

Sarai was a "mother of nations" but these "nations" are not non-Hebrew Gentile because it is impossible for non-Hebrews to be born of two Hebrew parents. When used of Sarah in means a people who do not possess the Abrahamic Promises since Abraham had other children, but none were the children of Promise except Isaac. Then Jacob, then Jacob's twelve sons and their descendants.

Ishmael was non-Hebrew born to a Hebrew father and Egyptian mother. The promise went to Isaac who was the child of Promise meaning that from a dead womb a miracle birth would occur, the birth of a Hebrew son born to two Hebrew parents, a birth in whom the Abrahamic Promises would pass. Then there is Jacob born to two Hebrew parents, and Esau also born of two Hebrew parents but not considered Hebrew because he sold his birthright of being Hebrew to his brother and twin, Jacob. All this was planned of God. So, if God ordained to put in Esau's heart to sell his birthright is God solely to blame?
Someone needs to study the bible under the anointing rather than studying it in the flesh relying on Gentile commentaries and theology because even in the Gentile 'church' there are those obedient living in the Spirit and those disobedient living carnal lives in the flesh.

The Covenant with Abraham was before circumcision Rom 4:9-13,16-17

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Covenant with Abraham was before circumcision Rom 4:9-13,16-17

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Yes, I know. But although the covenant was made with Abram the Hebrew the family line from Noah to Abram was a family obedient and separated to God.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, I know. But although the covenant was made with Abram the Hebrew the family line from Noah to Abram was a family obedient and separated to God.

The Covenant with Abraham was before circumcision Rom 4:9-13,16-17

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Covenant with Abraham was before circumcision Rom 4:9-13,16-17

Being uncircumcised does not mean Gentile. God identified him as Hebrew before circumcision meaning he was a descendant of Eber. Eber's father, Salah, was obedient to the LORD in separating from the rest of the Adamites as commanded by God.

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Let's be clear. Scripture cannot be broken. There are covenants and prophecies made and sent by God to the Hebrew people. These are identified as the seed of Abraham through Isaac through Jacob to Jacob's twelve sons also known as the children of Jacob/Israel.

The Old Testament contains the Hebrew covenants and the information describing these covenants and to whom is possessor of the inheritance. Prophecies describing Israel's Messiah and Deliverer, and yes, King.
Thus, the Israelites have Scripture Law, Psalms, and the Prophets all pointing to a Savior that will be sent from the God of Abraham to deliver eternally the Hebrew people what Moses delivered temporarily in the covenant of Law.

The Old Testament is the foundation of all things having to do with the relationship between God and the children of Israel, the House of Israel, the Hebrew people, and seed of Abraham.
In the New Covenant writings there is nothing that contradicts the Hebrew covenants and the prophecies in the Old Testament. The Old Testament provides for the preparation of Christ for the children of Israel as per covenant and prophecies, especially Isaiah 53. Israel's Messiah did come in the Person of Jesus of Nazareth, who lived, taught the Jewish people the Law of God, the Law that He Himself gave to Moses for the children of Israel.
As the lamb of God Jesus of Nazareth died on a cross to atone for the sins of the children of Israel keeping with the instruction and command of the Law of Moses, specifically, in the sacrifice of an animal under the Law yearly to atone for the sins of the children of Israel. The blood of the sacrifice was 'sprinkled' upon the book of the covenant, upon the Mercy Seat, and upon the people. A complete circle of redemption. But it was only for a year.

Jesus Christ, taking the place of the animal came as the lamb of God (John Baptist) who died for the children of Israel. There is no challenge to these things. Thus, any Scripture in the New Covenant writings that contradicts what is written by Moses and the prophets in the Old Testament bible is to be rejected by God's people. But from my standpoint there is NO SCRIPTURE that adds, subtracts, or changes what is written in the Old Testament. IT IS THE INTERPRETATIONS of men that construct teaching - mostly from Gentiles - that adds, subtracts, and changes what is written in the Old Testament, such as the heresy that Gentiles are for the past 1900 years are included in the Abrahamic Covenant. But this is not so. To believe such a delusional lie is to contradict what is written in the Old Testament and contradicts the Word of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

The passages you post from the New Covenant writings do not contradict Scripture of the Old Testament and do not teach from any of the Lord's apostles that Gentiles are in any of the Hebrew covenants.
The Abrahamic Covenant is between God and Abraham and his seed.
Later, the Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Jacob/Israel.
The New Covenant is made between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
This is the Word of God, and each covenant is described in the Old Testament in which the children and House of Israel are the inheritors of the Abrahamic Covenant.
There are NO GENTILES in any of the three Hebrew Covenants.
None.
And the Scripture you post upholds this truth.
Thanks for posting it.

 

[brightfame52]

Being uncircumcised does not mean Gentile. God identified him as Hebrew before circumcision meaning he was a descendant of Eber. Eber's father, Salah, was obedient to the LORD in separating from the rest of the Adamites as commanded by God.

Let's be clear. Scripture cannot be broken. There are covenants and prophecies made and sent by God to the Hebrew people. These are identified as the seed of Abraham through Isaac through Jacob to Jacob's twelve sons also known as the children of Jacob/Israel.

The Old Testament contains the Hebrew covenants and the information describing these covenants and to whom is possessor of the inheritance. Prophecies describing Israel's Messiah and Deliverer, and yes, King.
Thus, the Israelites have Scripture Law, Psalms, and the Prophets all pointing to a Savior that will be sent from the God of Abraham to deliver eternally the Hebrew people what Moses delivered temporarily in the covenant of Law.

The Old Testament is the foundation of all things having to do with the relationship between God and the children of Israel, the House of Israel, the Hebrew people, and seed of Abraham.
In the New Covenant writings there is nothing that contradicts the Hebrew covenants and the prophecies in the Old Testament. The Old Testament provides for the preparation of Christ for the children of Israel as per covenant and prophecies, especially Isaiah 53. Israel's Messiah did come in the Person of Jesus of Nazareth, who lived, taught the Jewish people the Law of God, the Law that He Himself gave to Moses for the children of Israel.
As the lamb of God Jesus of Nazareth died on a cross to atone for the sins of the children of Israel keeping with the instruction and command of the Law of Moses, specifically, in the sacrifice of an animal under the Law yearly to atone for the sins of the children of Israel. The blood of the sacrifice was 'sprinkled' upon the book of the covenant, upon the Mercy Seat, and upon the people. A complete circle of redemption. But it was only for a year.

Jesus Christ, taking the place of the animal came as the lamb of God (John Baptist) who died for the children of Israel. There is no challenge to these things. Thus, any Scripture in the New Covenant writings that contradicts what is written by Moses and the prophets in the Old Testament bible is to be rejected by God's people. But from my standpoint there is NO SCRIPTURE that adds, subtracts, or changes what is written in the Old Testament. IT IS THE INTERPRETATIONS of men that construct teaching - mostly from Gentiles - that adds, subtracts, and changes what is written in the Old Testament, such as the heresy that Gentiles are for the past 1900 years are included in the Abrahamic Covenant. But this is not so. To believe such a delusional lie is to contradict what is written in the Old Testament and contradicts the Word of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

The passages you post from the New Covenant writings do not contradict Scripture of the Old Testament and do not teach from any of the Lord's apostles that Gentiles are in any of the Hebrew covenants.
The Abrahamic Covenant is between God and Abraham and his seed.
Later, the Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Jacob/Israel.
The New Covenant is made between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
This is the Word of God, and each covenant is described in the Old Testament in which the children and House of Israel are the inheritors of the Abrahamic Covenant.
There are NO GENTILES in any of the three Hebrew Covenants.
None.
And the Scripture you post upholds this truth.
Thanks for posting it.

The Covenant with Abraham was before circumcision Rom 4:9-13,16-17

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Covenant with Abraham was before circumcision Rom 4:9-13,16-17

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Yes, I know. He was a Hebrew man who would be father to a Hebrew people in covenant with God numbering the stars in heaven and the sand on the seashore.
All Hebrew.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, I know. He was a Hebrew man who would be father to a Hebrew people in covenant with God numbering the stars in heaven and the sand on the seashore.
All Hebrew.

The Covenant with Abraham was before circumcision Rom 4:9-13,16-17

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

 

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The Covenant with Abraham was before circumcision Rom 4:9-13,16-17

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Yes, I agree. Before circumcision.
But he was identified by God as Hebrew before that. Can you agree with that?

13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; Gen. 14:12–13.

His family ancestry was already a family separated unto God. If you want to go further back, he was from a family identified as "sons of God" from the family of Seth. Before the flood this seed of the woman made the mistake of being unequally yoked with the other group of disobedient people from the family of Cain and any other children Adam and Eve God had identified as "daughters of men." When unequally yoked, believers with unbelievers, the family is divided and the children have the encouragement of being obedient to their sinful nature, without authority, without God's Law and grow up as Scripture records disobedient to God. They were "tyrant," and "bullies." It's very own crime spree.

Being Hebrew and uncircumcised does not equate to being Gentile (non-Hebrew.) Gentiles came from Ham and Japheth and these descendants make up every nation in the world today.

 

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Yes, I agree. Before circumcision.
But he was identified by God as Hebrew before that. Can you agree with that?

13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; Gen. 14:12–13.

His family ancestry was already a family separated unto God. If you want to go further back, he was from a family identified as "sons of God" from the family of Seth. Before the flood this seed of the woman made the mistake of being unequally yoked with the other group of disobedient people from the family of Cain and any other children Adam and Eve God had identified as "daughters of men." When unequally yoked, believers with unbelievers, the family is divided and the children have the encouragement of being obedient to their sinful nature, without authority, without God's Law and grow up as Scripture records disobedient to God. They were "tyrant," and "bullies." It's very own crime spree.

Being Hebrew and uncircumcised does not equate to being Gentile (non-Hebrew.) Gentiles came from Ham and Japheth and these descendants make up every nation in the world today.

The Covenant with Abraham was before circumcision Rom 4:9-13,16-17

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.