The Called !

[brightfame52]

The elect are recipients of the effectual call, which calls them out of darkness into the Light of the Gospel Truth 1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

See that ? Out of and into !

 

[brightfame52]

The effectual call into fellowship
The effectual is into fellowship with Christ, based upon the Faithfulness of God,

1 Cor 1:9

9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
In the original " ἐκλήθητε" ye were called is passive voice, they were made recipients of this call into the fellowship of Gods Son the Lord Jesus Christ. This wasnt something they had to make a freewill decision about, but the outworking of Gods Eternal Purpose Rom 8:30

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified

 

[jeremiah1five]

Titus 1 : 14

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

I post the Scripture plain as day. You're just one of many Gentiles that are infected by false Gentile theology.
We must all see the same Jesus; we must all say the same thing as God.
To do the opposite is to oppose God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

. . .Are you sure about that?

"If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Gal 3:29)

Seems we don't have the same authority for divine truth. . .

Who is Saul writing to and addressing?
Those under the Law, under a schoolmaster, the children of Israel:

23 But before faith came, we (JEWS) were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our (JEWS) schoolmaster to bring us (JEWS) unto Christ, that we (JEWS) might be justified by faith. Gal. 3:22–24.

No, I am saying the same thing as God. Gentiles were never under the Law and therefore not an inheritor of the Promises God gave to Abram the Hebrew and his seed. After Abe died the inheritance went to Isaac. After Isaac died Jacob was the beneficiary of the inheritance. later, God gave the promises to Abraham's seed also known as the children of Jacob/Israel.

THEY are the rightful inheritors of the Abrahamic promises.

God made no covenant with Gentiles. NONE. They inherit nothing but Israel along with the promises given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, also inherit "the heathen through Christ" (Psalm 2.)

Not the other way around.

 

[Eleanor]

Who is Saul writing to and addressing?
Those under the Law, under a schoolmaster, the children of Israel:

23 But before faith came, we (JEWS) were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our (JEWS) schoolmaster to bring us (JEWS) unto Christ, that we (JEWS) might be justified by faith. Gal. 3:22–24.

No, I am saying the same thing as God. Gentiles were never under the Law and therefore not an inheritor of the Promises God gave to Abram the Hebrew and his seed. After Abe died the inheritance went to Isaac. After Isaac died Jacob was the beneficiary of the inheritance. later, God gave the promises to Abraham's seed also known as the children of Jacob/Israel.

THEY are the rightful inheritors of the Abrahamic promises.

God made no covenant with Gentiles. NONE. They inherit nothing but Israel along with the promises given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, also inherit "the heathen through Christ" (Psalm 2.)

Not the other way around.

 

[Eleanor]

Who is Saul writing to and addressing?
Those under the Law, under a schoolmaster, the children of Israel:

23 But before faith came, we (JEWS) were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our (JEWS) schoolmaster to bring us (JEWS) unto Christ, that we (JEWS) might be justified by faith. Gal. 3:22–24.

No, I am saying the same thing as God. Gentiles were never under the Law and therefore not an inheritor of the Promises God gave to Abram the Hebrew and his seed. After Abe died the inheritance went to Isaac. After Isaac died Jacob was the beneficiary of the inheritance. later, God gave the promises to Abraham's seed also known as the children of Jacob/Israel.

THEY are the rightful inheritors of the Abrahamic promises.

God made no covenant with Gentiles. NONE. They inherit nothing but Israel along with the promises given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, also inherit "the heathen through Christ" (Psalm 2.)

Not the other way around.

You simply do not believe Gal 3:28-29.

That's above my pay grade.

 

[brightfame52]

I post the Scripture plain as day. You're just one of many Gentiles that are infected by false Gentile theology.
We must all see the same Jesus; we must all say the same thing as God.
To do the opposite is to oppose God.

Titus 1 : 14

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You simply do not believe Gal 3:28-29.

That's above my pay grade.

Israel is the inheritor of the Abrahamic promises.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Titus 1 : 14

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

When Gentiles unmoored true, biblical Christianity from its Hebrew roots is when they TURNED FROM THE TRUTH.
Try studying the bible without preconceived ideas and doctrine. I choose to know Christ and Him crucified.

 

[brightfame52]

When Gentiles unmoored true, biblical Christianity from its Hebrew roots is when they TURNED FROM THE TRUTH.
Try studying the bible without preconceived ideas and doctrine. I choose to know Christ and Him crucified.

Titus 1 : 14

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

 

[Eleanor]

Israel is the inheritor of the Abrahamic promises.

Believing Israel (Christians), that is. . .

Previously addressed (post #335).

 

[jeremiah1five]

Believing Israel (Christians), that is. . .

Previously addressed (post #335).

Funny how God would in the Mosaic Covenant atone yearly for the sins of ALL the children of Israel and then break His promise to say only "believing"?
There was no "believing" under the Mosaic Covenant. After the blood of the animal sacrifice was gather the high priest sprinkled to people with it. There was no "accept the animal sacrifice into your heart and you shall be saved," or "confess with your mouth and believe in your heart the animal sacrifice and you shall be saved."
God made salvation promises to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the children of Israel, and the House of Israel. ALL of Israel shall be saved as Scripture teaches.

have you accepted the animal sacrifice into your heart like Moses instructed the children of Israel back in the Pentateuch? That's what Israel had to do, right, after sacrifice was made, right? It says this in the Pentateuch, right?

 

[Eleanor]

Funny how God would in the Mosaic Covenant atone yearly for the sins of ALL the children of Israel and then break His promise to say only "believing?"
There was no "believing" under the Mosaic Covenant. After the blood of the animal sacrifice was gather the high priest sprinkled to people with it. There was no "accept the animal sacrifice into your heart and you shall be saved," or "confess with your mouth and believe in your heart the animal sacrifice and you shall be saved."
God made salvation promises to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the children of Israel, and the House of Israel.

There is no promise of "salvation" in the OT covenants.
There is promise only of an "everlasting possession;" i.e., heavenly land (Heb 11:13-16).

ALL of Israel shall be saved as Scripture teaches.

Not all Israel is true Israel.

 

[jeremiah1five]

There is no promise of "salvation" in the OT covenants.

Again, you do not know what you're talking about.
Everything in the Tabernacle under the Law was made towards the sacrificial system of atonement for the children of Israel:

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:
3 If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering.
Lev. 4:1–3.

One of the most holy day in the Mosaic Covenant is the Yom Kippur, or Day of Atonement for the yearly atonement for the sins of the children of Israel until their Promised Redeemer would do this eternally in Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, in sacrificing Himself for the children of Israel to redeem those under the Law:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:4–5.

There is promise only of an "everlasting possession;" i.e., heavenly land (Heb 11:13-16).
Not all Israel is true Israel.

Every person born the seed of Jacob/Israel, who was the seed of Isaac, who was the seed of Abraham were under salvation covenant which also included Promised Land.
Again, you do not know what you're talking about.
Learn something.

 

[brightfame52]

The called according to Gods purpose !​

Rom 8:28

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

This call is a discriminate, distinguishing call to Gods elect, and it will always result in Faith in Christ and Justification by Faith.

In the original " the called" are distinct, and definite, hence called is accompanied by the definite article. No, all mankind isn't the recipient of this call , but only Gods elect.

 

[Eleanor]

Again, you do not know what you're talking about.
Everything in the Tabernacle under the Law was made towards the sacrificial system of atonement for the children of Israel:

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:
3 If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering.
Lev. 4:1–3.

One of the most holy day in the Mosaic Covenant is the Yom Kippur, or Day of Atonement for the yearly atonement for the sins of the children of Israel until their Promised Redeemer would do this eternally in Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, in sacrificing Himself for the children of Israel to redeem those under the Law:

It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin (Heb 10:4).

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:4–5.

Every person born the seed of Jacob/Israel, who was the seed of Isaac, who was the seed of Abraham were under salvation covenant which also included Promised Land.

Again, you do not know what you're talking about.

Are you sure about that?

Salvation always was, and still is, only by faith in the promise (Ge 3:5, 15:5, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16).
The covenants did not promise salvation.

 

[jeremiah1five]

It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin (Heb 10:4).

God knew that. That's why in the process of time He sent His own Son to die in place of the animal sacrifice and atone for the sins of the children of Israel under the Mosaic Law forever.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

There is nothing in the Law that says the animal sacrifice atoned for the sins of Gentiles, nor that Jesus Christ was sent to redeem Gentiles. And if it's not in the Law then it isn't doctrine in which to place your faith. It's a false Gentile theology that contradicts the bible, especially Galatians 4:4-5.

Are you sure about that?

Salvation always was, and still is, only by faith in the promise (Ge 3:5, 15:5, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16).
The covenants did not promise salvation.

If you follow the family line of Jesus all the way back to Abraham in Matthew, you'll see that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant. God made no covenant with Adam. When God made promise of the "seed of the woman" He was speaking to the serpent. He wasn't speaking to Adam or the woman so there is no covenant there. Not even the Noahic Covenant qualifies. It all begins with Abram the Hebrew and ends with Jesus.

1 THE book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; Mt 1:1–2.

The salvation covenant is with Abram the Hebrew and later Isaac inherits the promises and later Jacob inherits the promises and then Judah and his brethren inherit the promises. So, as you can see the salvation covenant is with the Hebrew people that were born of Abraham and Sarah all the way down to the children of Jacob/Israel after God delivered them from Egyptian bondage and gave them His Law and made a new covenant, we the children of Israel building upon the Abrahamic Covenant.
Notice there are NO GENTILES in any of these two covenants.
So, the false Gentile theology that Gentiles are in the Abrahamic Covenant is false, a lie, and millions of Gentiles like yourself believe the lie.

God did say He was going to send Gentiles a STRONG delusion that they should believe a lie and this is it.

Come out from among them and be ye separate says the LORD.
Or perish with them.

 

[Eleanor]

God knew that. That's why in the process of time He sent His own Son to die in place of the animal sacrifice and atone for the sins of the children of Israel under the Mosaic Law forever.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

There is nothing in the Law that says the animal sacrifice atoned for the sins of Gentiles,

There is nothing in the Law that says the blood of bulls and goats can take away sin (Heb 10:4).

But there is much in the Gospel that says the blood of Christ can take away sin, both of Jews and Gentiles.

Time to make a blind leap into the NT?

 

[jeremiah1five]

There is nothing in the Law that says the blood of bulls and goats can take away sin (Heb 10:4).

That's right. Israel's atonement under the Mosaic Law was yearly until the Promised Seed, Jesus Christ, can come to take the place of the animal sacrifice and atone for the sins of the children of Israel as per covenant and prophecy.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we (JEWS) might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

There is nothing in the Law of Moses of which Christ fulfilled that says Gentiles are redeemed. Nothing.

But there is much in the Gospel that says the blood of Christ can take away sin, both of Jews and Gentiles.

Time to make a blind leap into the NT?

If there is no Old Covenant precedent, then there is no New Covenant reality.
Everything found in the NT is because it was covenant or prophesied in the OT.
That wat no one can add to the bible like you and Gentiles as a whole do now.

 

[Eleanor]

That's right. Israel's atonement under the Mosaic Law was yearly

Non-sequitur. . .

Wasting my time here.