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The Blood of the Covenant

jeremiah1five

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The animal sacrifice was offered to atone for the sins of God's people, the children of Israel.

6 And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.
8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words. Exodus 24:5–8.

This Mosaic Covenant is made between Jehovah God and the children of Israel.

For whom did Christ die?

As the animal sacrifice was used of God to atone for the sins of the children of Israel, so, too, did the Messiah, the Christ die for the sins of the children of Israel. God has made no blood covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. As the example of the people to follow, God commands the children of Israel make no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. In effect God is saying "do as I do."

32 Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods. Exodus 23:32.

Why is it that non-Hebrew Gentiles who claim to be born-again and Christ-followers do not teach this truth? Because it defeats their purpose of inheritance theft of the three Hebrew covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, and New Covenants) the promises under these covenants, and the blessings of God given to the children of Israel through these covenants and later through the prophecies by prophets God sends to the children of Israel in their history. The Hebrew bible consisting of the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets, from Genesis to Malachi are the true Scriptures detailing the beginning of all things, the history of the Hebrew people and the dealing and interaction of God to this people as well as everything God has given in their past and everything God has promised to their future as His people, His Bride, His Church and His saints. And let's be honest here. Gentiles who put together what has become known as the New Testament are merely writings by Jewish Christians to and for other Jews and Jewish Christian and their discussion in explaining the New Covenant era the children of Israel found themselves in with the advent of both their Promised Redeemer and their Promised Holy Spirit of God who in the Third Person leads, guides, teaches, and commands the children of Israel from the day of His advent on the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) even to today.

Can we aptly call these writings of Jewish Christians from Matthew to Revelation a Gentile bible? No, we cannot for there is no such thing. But we can aptly call these writings a Hebrew bible for it documents the continued history, culture, people and acts as well as events that take place among the children of Israel including the coming of Israel's Kinsman-Redeemer, Savior, Lord, and King, Jesus Christ the King of the Jews. And if King of the Jews He cannot be the king of the Gentiles for again, there is no such thing as a Gentile covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles as there is a covenant between God and the people known in the past as the Hebrew people and today as the nation and children of Israel.

The blood covenant no doubt is according to Scripture between Jehovah God and the children of Israel and the New Covenant, also a blood covenant is merely the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Israel's Promised Redeemer, Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God and the eternal sin-offering for the sins of the children of Israel in covenant with God.

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Deuteronomy 7:6–9.

A thousand generations have not yet occurred or expired. Jehovah God still has many promises yet to fulfill to this holy people, to this special people above all people that are on the face of the earth, and while Israel slumbers and is blinded, Jesus Christ has left to go prepare a place so that where He is there, also, shall be the Chosen people of God, a people known as the children of Israel.
 
As the animal sacrifice was used of God to atone for the sins of the children of Israel, so, too, did the Messiah, the Christ die for the sins of the children of Israel. God has made no blood covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. As the example of the people to follow, God commands the children of Israel make no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. In effect God is saying "do as I do."

God is not a Jewish man as King of kings. That would be considered blasphemy. One good teching master as Lord

I do not think a person can worship shadows (ceremonial law) A sign to the unbelieving word not unto themselves "we did it it proves it" .as if like some call "sign gifts"

Hebrews 9: 8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Will you even acknowledge there was a first century reformation. today??

Aarons two sons found out the hard way (five minutes of false fame ) That was when when they offered thier own personal touch called "strange fire" (not authorized". Adding to the living word. The fire consumed them not a hint of spoke on the the ceremonial attire .

The first century reformation came the veil is rent . No Jewish man as King of kings siting in the Holy of holes .Satan could not longer deceive al the nation that God is a Jewish man , The time had come restoring the government of faith according to Judge's apostles from all the nations of the world sent out with the gospel ,

No outward representative is need to worship God the invisible head .He is not a shadow .But dwells in mankind. Yoked with him our burdens are made lighter...... shadows disappear
 
A thousand generations have not yet occurred or expired. Jehovah God still has many promises yet to fulfill to this holy people, to this special people above all people that are on the face of the earth, and while Israel slumbers and is blinded, Jesus Christ has left to go prepare a place so that where He is there, also, shall be the Chosen people of God, a people known as the children of Israel.

I would offer.. .

Not all Israel is born again Israel. Some are hoping thier dying flesh could profit for something even a little. Jesus in John 6 said of his own dying flesh it profits nothing. It is used as a demonstration of the power of the unseen head Christ


What does profit is the water of the word the doctrine of God that fall like rain and produce growth

Deuteronomy 32King James Version32 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

All forms of water to include sweat (as if it was blood) to indicate a work of two. And spit used as metaphor in parables to represent Christ opening our new spiritual eyes according to it as it is writen. . . . . showing the power of the gospel Christ's labor of love

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

The same water of the word husbands are to wash thier own wife. An intimate relationship of two walking as one A strand of three not easily broken . . . . virtue restored.
 
God is not a Jewish man as King of kings. That would be considered blasphemy. One good teching master as Lord

I do not think a person can worship shadows (ceremonial law) A sign to the unbelieving word not unto themselves "we did it it proves it" .as if like some call "sign gifts"

Hebrews 9: 8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Will you even acknowledge there was a first century reformation. today??

Aarons two sons found out the hard way (five minutes of false fame ) That was when when they offered thier own personal touch called "strange fire" (not authorized". Adding to the living word. The fire consumed them not a hint of spoke on the the ceremonial attire .

The first century reformation came the veil is rent . No Jewish man as King of kings siting in the Holy of holes .Satan could not longer deceive al the nation that God is a Jewish man , The time had come restoring the government of faith according to Judge's apostles from all the nations of the world sent out with the gospel ,

No outward representative is need to worship God the invisible head .He is not a shadow .But dwells in mankind. Yoked with him our burdens are made lighter...... shadows disappear
Jesus Christ, the Son of God and God Himself, is the Lion from the TRIBE OF JUDAH.
A Judah (Jewish) man.
 
Why then were some non-Hebrews saved prior to Christ death on the cross?
God is a God who keeps covenant (promises.)
The covenant was made with Abraham and his seed (Abrahamic Covenant) and with the children of Israel (Mosaic Covenant), and with the House of Israel (northern kingdom tribes) and the House of Judah (southern kingdom tribes.) See Jer. 31:31-34.

Samaritans are the offspring of northern kingdom Hebrews and Assyrians (722 BC onward) and other non-Hebrew Gentile tribes and peoples. The same occurred with the southern kingdom tribes when Babylon conquered Judah (586 BC.)
These conquering's and scatterings of the Hebrew people throughout the land allowed for many various reasons Hebrews to mate through marriage, slavery, servanthood, concubinage, and other circumstances with non-Hebrew people. By the time Jesus arrived seven centuries had passed and these offspring from those days were now of "diluted" ancestry but still the seed of Abraham and inheritors according to the promise. Jesus' interaction with the Samaritan woman at the well (half-Jew/half-Gentile) shows this new class of people were still in covenant with God.

In AD 70 the Romans came and destroyed Israel and its Temple and Jews again were scattered and Rome passed laws prohibiting the Jews return to their land until at least the destruction of the Roman Empire by the Goths and Visigoths and Barbarians. And again, Hebrew and non-Hebrew couplings occurred.

Before and during the Nazification of Germany in the 20th century led to more scatterings but by this time Jews were intermingled with non-Hebrew Gentiles and still because they are Abraham's seed God keeps His covenant promises. After Germany's defeat Jews began in various numbers returning to their land. One of the more popular returns occurred in the 1970s in which Jews returned to their homeland, an operation dubbed the "Great Exodus." But throughout all these scatterings, these halves, quarter, eighths, etc., Jews may have lived as Gentiles with or without knowledge of their heritage or lived as Jews still clinging to their religion in some form or another.

So, when Jesus was on earth, and he interacted with supposed Gentiles (Roman centurion who built a synagogue for the Jews in the gospel was a God-Fearer and may have had Hebrew blood in his ancestry) who think themselves Gentile with knowledge or without knowledge of their ancestry - God knows, or Jews (Hellenized or otherwise) who may have knowledge or not of their ancestry, one thing is certain, with the influx of Jews into their land during the 1970s many came out of Russia, Africa, and Europe and the four corners of the earth and these Jews - Reformed, Traditional, Conservative, whatever, are still Jews and Abraham's seed. But there are Jew-Gentile people that remained in the typical Gentile lands, like Europe and came to America before and after the "Great Ejection" for religious liberty in this land. The Lost Ten Tribes of Israel may not be lost at all but came to America and lived in somewhat biblical fashion as Jews, even founding many institutions and the founding of our republic from the Revolutionary War onward. Many Universities' crests bear Hebrew words, even our original thirteen colonies resembled the thirteen tribes of Israel with Manasseh and Ephraim resembling North Carolina and South Carolina; our form of government fashioned after the biblical model with an executive, Legislative, and judicial branch form of government. No matter that the founding fathers were deists, many "denominations" that settled here all show some identity with the Israel of history and the bible.

Bottom line, Gentiles who are born-again and are indwelt with the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to Israel just may have Hebrew blood in their ancestry and because of this without knowledge of their ancestry are Abraham's seed and inheritors of the promises.
 
Bottom line, Gentiles who are born-again and are indwelt with the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to Israel just may have Hebrew blood in their ancestry and because of this without knowledge of their ancestry are Abraham's seed and inheritors of the promises.
I'm talking about the time prior to the day of pentecost when non-Jews could be saved.
 
I'm talking about the time prior to the day of pentecost when non-Jews could be saved.
How can "non-Hebrews" be saved when the covenant of salvation beginning with Abraham went to his seed and God made covenant with the children of Jacob/Israel through Moses.

There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles that are born from the Hebrew people. Learn basic biology and the Word of God.

Every saint from Abram the Hebrew to Jesus Christ was "kept unto the faith which should AFTERWARD be revealed" and it was revealed in the Presence of the Third Person also known as the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to the children of Israel. God never promised His Holy Spirit to non-Hebrew Gentiles.

Saul writing to Jewish Christians said:

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal. 3:23–24.

You are drenched in deep, deep Gentile false theology, a theology that denies and rejects the written Word of God as in the Scripture above.
 
How can "non-Hebrews" be saved when the covenant of salvation beginning with Abraham went to his seed and God made covenant with the children of Jacob/Israel through Moses
How can "non-hebrews be saved"....the answer is simple. By faith.

Rahab the Canaanit prostitute was justified by her faith and demonstrated by her actions. It's in your bible.
 
Jesus Christ, the Son of God and God Himself, is the Lion from the TRIBE OF JUDAH.
A Judah (Jewish) man.
Ok I agree he is from the tribe of Judah dying mankind. . .and says his dying flesh profits for nothing .

Remember it was a one time "denonstration" of the lamb slain of Christ from the foundation .The 6 days Our Holy Father did work.

Again a demonstration not the actual work.

God is not a Jewish man as King of kings That is simply a wile of the evil one .

Remember when the veil was rent there was not Jewish man as King of kings siting in the holy of Holies. Satan fell and could not deceive all the nations of the world that eternal God is a Jewish man as King of kings

Jesus the Son of man the apostle like all apostles sent with word from the invisible head the Holy Father, jesus our brother in the Lord also spoke the words of the Father (not a Jewish man)

John 6:63 It is the
spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you,(words of the Father) they are spirit, and they are life.

Our invisible head Christ (the teaching or anointing Holy Spirit) also gave word to his prophets Peter to confirm the invisible will of the spiritual head, Christ the husband.

He did not not say.... to whom shall we go you have eternal flesh and blood

John 6:
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
 
Jesus Christ, the Son of God and God Himself, is the Lion from the TRIBE OF JUDAH.
A Judah (Jewish) man.
I agree. When we read Gen 6 we can see how Satan tried to interupt the linage from which Jesus would come.
 
I agree. When we read Gen 6 we can see how Satan tried to interupt the linage from which Jesus would come.
Satan as in "adversary"? Because Peter says the angels that sinned are locked up and a study of this locking up and the reason takes place before God created man. Between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
 
I agree. When we read Gen 6 we can see how Satan tried to interupt the linage from which Jesus would come.
I agree. By murdering Abel the second born used to represent all born again ,

Abel the first martyred prophet / apostle .

God replaced Abel (second born ) with Enos (another second born) .

Having established a man must be born again; second birth then men began to call on power of God

Genesis 4:25:26 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord
 
Satan as in "adversary"? Because Peter says the angels that sinned are locked up and a study of this locking up and the reason takes place before God created man. Between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
Nothing in between. No invisible creation called angels.. Christ in us not angels in us a (angel fake word)

Abraham was used to represent the Father of all the nations of the world. Abram the second born did not enter the second born geanalolgy until much later than Enos. . . . about half way.
 
Satan as in "adversary"? Because Peter says the angels that sinned are locked up and a study of this locking up and the reason takes place before God created man. Between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
Do you have biblical proof for this? I say you don't.
The watcher fallen angels were locked up for Gen 6.
 
Do you have biblical proof for this? I say you don't.
The watcher fallen angels were locked up for Gen 6.
"Satan" is used of humans. It's a characteristic, not a pronoun or personal pronoun.
More false Gentile theology.
I've already many times provided Scripture rightly divided that shows the angels that sinned are locked up before Genesis 6 and that when "iniquity was found" in Lucifer God dealt with him immediately, which his falling as lightning was witnessed by the Logos in Isaiah 14 when it happened.
 
"Satan" is used of humans. It's a characteristic, not a pronoun or personal pronoun.
More false Gentile theology.
I've already many times provided Scripture rightly divided that shows the angels that sinned are locked up before Genesis 6 and that when "iniquity was found" in Lucifer God dealt with him immediately, which his falling as lightning was witnessed by the Logos in Isaiah 14 when it happened.
Luke 10:17-19King James Version And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

The veil representing the bloody husband Christ was rent there was no Jewish man as king of kings siting in the Holy of Holies Satan as lighting fell and could no longer deceive all the nations .God is a temporal dying man. Satan will be released to again deceive the world that God is a dying mankind .

Genesis 6 is all about some of the born again believers who were violating the warning not to be unevenly yoked. Same principle today

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

They returned after the flood warning .Next time no warning . .thief in the night. .up in smoke. . . . . . . the end of the rainbow. .
 
I doubt it.
You continue to interpret "sons of God" in Genesis 6 as angels and then proceed to interpret that these angels, sinning angels entered HOLY matrimony with human women and despite God ordaining that His creation have offspring "after their kind" - meaning dogs with dogs, cats with cats, humans with humans) there are just too many problems with that interpretation.

I'm a son of God and though some have called me "an angel" I can say unequivocally that I am NOT an angel.

This alone blows up your "sons of God = angels" false theology.
 
You continue to interpret "sons of God" in Genesis 6 as angels and then proceed to interpret that these angels, sinning angels entered HOLY matrimony with human women and despite God ordaining that His creation have offspring "after their kind" - meaning dogs with dogs, cats with cats, humans with humans) there are just too many problems with that interpretation.

I'm a son of God and though some have called me "an angel" I can say unequivocally that I am NOT an angel.

This alone blows up your "sons of God = angels" false theology.
With all due respect....in the book of Job...the angelic beings are called the Sons of God and rejoiced when the earth was formed.
 
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