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The 2 Natures in Christ

Bob Carabbio said:
John's Baptism was a baptism of REPENTANCE. Mat 3:11, Mark 1:4, Luke 3;3
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However, that is not why Jesus was baptized; i.e., repentance. There were several reasons Jesus was baptized:

1) to fulfill all righteousness - consecrating himself to God, whose approval was officially shown in the descent of the Holy Spirit and the words of the Father (Mt 3:16-17),
2) therein John publicly announced the arrival of the Messiah and beginning of his ministry (Jn 1:31-34),
3) identifying himself with man's sin and failure (not his own), becoming our substitute (2 Co 5:21) and
4) as an example to his followers (Mt 28:19).
 
Eleanor said:
Jesus is both a divine and human person as the result of his two natures. It is unavoidable due to the natures, two natures in one person, which person is both divine and human by nature.
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No that’s Nestorian. He is not a human person but a Divine Person having a human nature . The nature is not the Person. You do not understand the difference between nature and Person and the Hypostatic Union and the Chalcedon Creed which refutes the heresy of Nestorious who taught Christ was both a human and divine person.
 
Anhypostasia is essential to a trinitarian understanding of the person of the God-man. It is impossible to be a trinitarian without a confession of it. Classical Christology has described the relationship of the two natures of Christ by using the rather arcane-sounding terms anhypostasis and enhypostasis. What does this mean? Well, firstly, the human nature of Jesus has no hypostasis, or "person", of its own, but subsists only as the human nature of the Son of God, the second person of the Trinity. His human nature is anhypostatic in that it has no personhood, or independent reality of its own (the word 'subsists' is used rather than 'exists’' to indicate this dependence): rather it is hypostatized in union with, in (so, enhypostasis), the person of the Logos. This is how Chalcedon is explained: we have in Jesus one person in two natures. The subject of this human nature is divine. Thus Jesus is a divine person and not a human person! Here's Louis Berkhof, A Summary of Christian Doctrine, The Banner of Truth Trust, 1938, p. 87:

"Christ has a human nature, but He is not a human person. The Person of the Mediator is the unchangeable Son of God. In the incarnation He did not change into a human person; neither did He adopt a human person. He simply assumed, in addition to His divine nature, a human nature, which did not develop into an independent personality, but became personal in the Person of the Son of God. After this assumption of human nature the Person of the Mediator is not only divine but divine-human; He is the Godman, possessing all the essential qualities of both the human and the divine nature. He has both a divine and a human consciousness, as well as a human and a divine will. This is a mystery which we cannot fathom."
 
Just some information from online.

In the four Gospels, there is ample evidence that Jesus was fully human since He was born to a human mother (Matthew 1:25), He experienced hunger (Matthew 21:18) and thirst (John 19:28). Jesus also experienced temptation (Matthew 4:1) pain and suffering (Matthew 16:21), and He died (Matthew (27:50).1 Oct 2019
 
civic said:
No that’s Nestorian. He is not a human person but a Divine Person having a human nature . The nature is not the Person. You do not understand the difference between nature and Person and the Hypostatic Union and the Chalcedon Creed which refutes the heresy of Nestorious who taught Christ was both a human and divine person.
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I would say the Converse is True; he is not a Divine Person but a Human Person having a Divine Nature. %100 x %100 = 1...

It looks to me as it's an entirely equal Union. Two %100's projected onto the wall saying 1...
 
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ReverendRV said:
I do...

But what about the Projection? When Jesus said, "I was Dead"; was it the Projection saying this, or just the Jesus of Nazareth Slide saying it?
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Your two projections were not the whole man. Neither could speak for the whole man.
God is not the man. God and the man are united in one person, the God/man, (not just God) with two natures, divine and human, in one person.

Let's suppose the Logos of God Slide has written on it, "I am the Living One". Now suppose the Jesus of Nazareth Slide has written on it, "I was Dead but now I am Alive!". Okay, lets shine them onto the Wall with an Overhead Projector; what does the inseparable Image on the wall say now?

"I AM the Living One, I was Dead but now I am Alive!"
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The circulatory system (God) is the I AM.
The nervous system (man, with two principles of life, natural and spiritual) is the I was Dead.
The immortal spirits of each nature, human and divine, were never dead.

Both are the one man.
This is essentially the Communicatio Idiomatum...
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Is it?
 
civic said:
No that’s Nestorian. He is not a human person but a Divine Person having a human nature . The nature is not the Person. You do not understand the difference between nature and Person and the Hypostatic Union and the Chalcedon Creed which refutes the heresy of Nestorious who taught Christ was both a human and divine person.
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Nope, already demonstrated otherwise.
 
Eleanor said:
And 100% man.
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That's right...

But why do we call him the GodMan, instead of the equally correct ManGod?

It's because even though his Natures are equal in Christ each at %100 of his Being, his Deity always has Preeminence...
 
civic said:
Anhypostasia is essential to a trinitarian understanding of the person of the God-man. It is impossible to be a trinitarian without a confession of it. Classical Christology has described the relationship of the two natures of Christ by using the rather arcane-sounding terms anhypostasis and enhypostasis. What does this mean? Well, firstly, the human nature of Jesus has no hypostasis, or "person", of its own, but subsists only as the human nature of the Son of God, the second person of the Trinity. His human nature is anhypostatic in that it has no personhood, or independent reality of its own (the word 'subsists' is used rather than 'exists’' to indicate this dependence): rather it is hypostatized in union with, in (so, enhypostasis), the person of the Logos. This is how Chalcedon is explained: we have in Jesus one person in two natures. The subject of this human nature is divine. Thus Jesus is a divine person and not a human person! Here's Louis Berkhof, A Summary of Christian Doctrine, The Banner of Truth Trust, 1938, p. 87:

"Christ has a human nature, but He is not a human person.
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Contraire. . .
The Person of the Mediator is the unchangeable Son of God. In the incarnation He did not change into a human person; neither did He adopt a human person. He simply assumed, in addition to His divine nature, a human nature, which did not develop into an independent personality, but became personal in the Person of the Son of God. After this assumption of human nature the Person of the Mediator is not only divine but divine-human;
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Correct, the one person is both divine and human; i.e., God/man.
He is the Godman, possessing all the essential qualities of both the human and the divine nature.
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Correct, the one (God/man) person has two natures, divine and human.
 
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