The 2 Natures in Christ

[Bob Carabbio]

Numbers 23:19?

Ex 32:14

 

[Deleted member 6]

Ex 32:14

Pitting scripture against scripture is not a good habit to make. God does not change His mind, as He is omniscient.

 

[David1701]

I'm not claiming what you think I'm claiming Brother. The Divine Nature cannot Subsist under the Human Nature. Jesus is a Divine Person...

I believe correctly like the rest of Y'all. Since y'all know me and know what I believe, when I say something, y'all should Presume I have correct Theology; even when I bumfuzzle y'all with the way I word things...

<sigh>

Here's what you posted, "I would say the Converse is True; he is not a Divine Person but a Human Person having a Divine Nature.".

Please explain to us how to understand your posts properly, when you post the exact opposite from what you believe?

 

[ReverendRV]

<sigh>

Here's what you posted, "I would say the Converse is True; he is not a Divine Person but a Human Person having a Divine Nature.".

Please explain to us how to understand your posts properly, when you post the exact opposite from what you believe?

I'm not going to explain, just know that whenever I say something like that; that I have more to say. That I'm making a point A or a point B wanting to make a point C. I'm busy and I'm not interested at the moment. Just know that you can trust me...

 

[Eleanor]

But it IS the meaning of "Repentance". God repented occasionally, but there was no "SIN" involved.

And God's repentance was not about baptism and salvation in Jesus Christ, which is the topic.

 

[David1701]

I'm not going to explain, just know that whenever I say something like that; that I have more to say. That I'm making a point A or a point B wanting to make a point C. I'm busy and I'm not interested at the moment. Just know that you can trust me...

I'll go by evidence, rather than claims. Test everything...

 

[Predestined]

One thing for sure the 2 natures in Christ stretch our minds and the depths of God. It many ways its mind boggling.

Oh how can it be that my God should die for me !

What amazing love !

1 And can it be that I should gain
An int'rest in the Savior's blood?
Died He for me, who caused His pain?
For me, who Him to death pursued?
Amazing love! how can it be
That Thou, my God, should die for me?


Refrain:
Amazing love! how can it be
That Thou, my God, should die for me!


2 'Tis mystery all! Th'Immortal dies!
Who can explore His strange design?
In vain the firstborn seraph tries
To sound the depths of love divine!
'Tis mercy all! let earth adore,
Let angel minds inquire no more. [Refrain]


3 He left His Father's throne above,
So free, so infinite His grace;
Emptied Himself of all but love,
And bled for Adam's helpless race;
'Tis mercy all, immense and free;
For, O my God, it found out me. [Refrain]


4 Long my imprisoned spirit lay
Fast bound in sin and nature's night;
Thine eye diffused a quick'ning ray,
I woke, the dungeon flamed with light;
My chains fell off, my heart was free;
I rose, went forth and followed Thee. [Refrain]


5 No condemnation now I dread;
Jesus, and all in Him is mine!
Alive in Him, my living Head,
And clothed in righteousness divine,
Bold I approach th'eternal throne,
And claim the crown, through Christ my own. [Refrain]

Great Doxology “Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.”

 

[Eleanor]

Great Doxology “Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.”

From the RCC.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Pitting scripture against scripture is not a good habit to make. God does not change His mind, as He is omniscient.

I can't help it if you don't like what Scriptures say.

 

[Agra Man]

I think we are pretty close except on the human nature of Jesus and Him being only a Divine Person. Because He is a Divine Person He is Impeccable and has all the same exact attributes as the Father lacking none while walking this earth. This is important for several reasons one specifically which is deemed heretical by the church, orthodoxy is the false doctrine of kenosis- giving up His Deity for 33 years on earth. I have known many who subtly have let it creep into their theology with Christ humanity being over emphasized where His Deity is put on the shelf as though it didn't exist. His Person is Divine, not human so that must always be in the forefront when we read scripture. His humanity was in subjection to His Deity not the other way around. As God the Son, the 2nd Person of the Trinity He laid aside His rights to use them to His advantage and was in submission to the Father to accomplish Gods ( Trinity ) will in regards to salvation, sin, death and the devil and fulfill all the law. And we must remember all the spiritual forces of His day knew who He was and they ( the demons) pleaded for His mercy. He was their Creator and the One who cast them out of heaven and Judged them for their rebellion. He veiled His identity to the rest of humanity with the exception of the disciples and a few He healed that worshiped Him.

His humanity is what made it where he could relate to us his divine nature as God is what made him able to resist every temptation. without being human we could not relate to him without being divine he could not be human and remain pure

His human nature and divine nature work together as one in order to fully establish what is to be human and what it is to be like Christ.

People can discount or water down whatever they want about him but the end results don't matter he is the image we were made in. So looking at him like this it should make us look at ourselves as well

 

[civic]

His humanity is what made it where he could relate to us his divine nature as God is what made him able to resist every temptation. without being human we could not relate to him without being divine he could not be human and remain pure

His human nature and divine nature work together as one in order to fully establish what is to be human and what it is to be like Christ.

People can discount or water down whatever they want about him but the end results don't matter he is the image we were made in. So looking at him like this it should make us look at ourselves as well

If you think about it Adam was a sitting duck for satan and Jesus was just the opposite. satan was a sitting duck for Jesus as he had no chance against his Creator. Even at Jesus weariest and weakest point as a man who fasted 40 days it was no match . It was like watching iron Mike destroy someone in the ring in 30 seconds with a tko. Our Lord was/ is Impeccable and Immutable.

 

[Eleanor]

His humanity is what made it where he could relate to us his divine nature as God is what made him able to resist every temptation. without being human we could not relate to him without being divine he could not be human and remain pure

Nope.

He was created with the same flawless righteous nature and free will with which Adam was created, which is why he is called the Last Adam, of which the first Adam was the pattern (Ro 5:14).
He was fully human, fully subject to temptation and fully free (with no disposition toward sin) to disobey and sin, the trial of that human nature being in the Garden of Gethsemane, as Adam's was in the Garden of Eden.

His human nature and divine nature work together as one in order to fully establish what is to be human and what it is to be like Christ.

People can discount or water down whatever they want about him but the end results don't matter he is the image we were made in. So looking at him like this it should make us look at ourselves as well

 

[Agra Man]

Nope.

He was created with the same flawless righteous nature and free will with which Adam was created, which is why he is called the Last Adam, of which the first Adam was the pattern (Ro 5:14).
He was fully human, fully subject to temptation and fully free (with no disposition toward sin) to disobey and sin, the trial of that human nature being in the Garden of Gethsemane, as Adam's was in the Garden of Eden.

Sorry perhaps it just flew over my head but I don't understand how what your saying is different from what I am saying.

 

[civic]

Sorry perhaps it just flew over my head but I don't understand how what your saying is different from what I am saying.

Sometimes it takes several exchanges over this medium to understand the other person and get the details worked out and see if we are on the same page . Ad they say , patience is a virtue lol

 

[Agra Man]

Sometimes it takes several exchanges over this medium to understand the other person and get the details worked out and see if we are on the same page . Ad they say , patience is a virtue lol

Just the other day my mom thought I was angry at her in my text until I explained it to her in person the tone of a person can sometimes be seen but other times for whatever reason we it just seems to slip by us.

 

[Eleanor]

Sorry perhaps it just flew over my head but I don't understand how what your saying is different from what I am saying.

He did not need to be divine to remain pure, having been created with no inborn inclination to sin.
He did what Adam could have done with nothing but Adam's human nature, but Adam did not

 

[civic]

Just the other day my mom thought I was angry at her in my text until I explained it to her in person the tone of a person can sometimes be seen but other times for whatever reason we it just seems to slip by us.

Exactly it even happens with people that know us well with texting . If a text goes back and forth more than a couple times I just pick up the phone

 

[Agra Man]

Exactly it even happens with people that know us well with texting . If a text goes back and forth more than a couple times I just pick up the phone

This is also why Discernment is basically law . We can read what each other is saying but we need to tune into the holy spirit to get the sense behind the words. The spirit speaks to the spirit and if you think about it being on forums like this is a good way to practice tuning in to his voice

 

[civic]

This is also why Discernment is basically law . We can read what each other is saying but we need to tune into the holy spirit to get the sense behind the words. The spirit speaks to the spirit and if you think about it being on forums like this is a good way to practice tuning in to his voice

Point well taken brother

 

[Agra Man]

He did not need to be divine to remain pure, having been created with no inborn inclination to sin.
He did what Adam could have done with nothing but Adam's human nature, but Adam did not

Perhaps I didn't say that right my main point was that it was because of his divinity that he was human yet not subject to the sin of the flesh. He is fully human and fully God.