Rom 6:3. Which baptism is being referred to here?

[prism]

Water or...?

Romans 6:3 (KJV) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

 

[Fred]

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/what-does-it-mean-to-be-in-christ.2202/page-2#post-96662

 

[prism]

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/what-does-it-mean-to-be-in-christ.2202/page-2#post-96662

I agree there is a circumcision done without hands, but how would you answer the Lutheran's who (in their defense of water baptism) love using...

1 Peter 3:21 (KJV) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[LeviR]

Water or...?

Romans 6:3 (KJV) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

The analogy of water baptism is of dying to sin, being buried and coming up from the grave a new creature in Christ.

 

[Fred]

I agree there is a circumcision done without hands, but how would you answer the Lutheran's who (in their defense of water baptism) love using...

1 Peter 3:21 (KJV) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Water baptism is a picture of the baptism with the Holy Spirit.

It is the baptism with the Holy Spirit that places a person into the body of Christ.

Peter, who authored both 1 and 2 Peter, was physically there and witnessed Cornelius and the other Gentiles with him receive the Holy Spirit before their water baptism.

The ark is also a picture of what Christ is to the believer in that:
1. Before the waters of the flood came they were already sealed in the ark (Luke 17:27). Likewise, before one is water baptized today they are already sealed in Christ (Ephesians 1:13).
2. The ark was provided before the cataclysm so was Christ (Revelation 13:8).
3. The ark provided deliverance to Noah while Christ provides deliverance to us (Colossians 1:13).
4. There was only one ark and there is only one Savior (Acts 4:12).
5. God revealed the ark to Noah and God reveals Christ to us (2 Corinthians 4:6).
6. God waited patiently for those to come into the ark and He waits patiently for people to receive Christ (1 Peter 3:20; 2 Peter 3:9).
7. There was a limited amount of time to enter the ark (Genesis 7:11-13) just as there is a limited amount of time to receive salvation in Christ (2 Corinthians 6:2).
8. The ark was made of wood (Genesis 6:14). Christ was the root out of parched ground (Isaiah 53:2) and a branch (Isaiah 11:1).
9. The ark was to have a "cover/pitch" (kopher) inside and out (Genesis 6:14). It had no value without this covering. This same word "kaphar" (verb form) is used to describe the atonement because of the blood of Christ (Leviticus 17:11).
10. Inside the ark one was saved from God's wrath - the same with Christ (John 3:36).
11. Only a few people were saved in the ark (Genesis 7:7) while only a few people will be saved in Christ (Matthew 7:13, 14).

 

[LeviR]

To say the analogy of water baptism is not the subject of Rom 6 is to ignore the context of being dead and buried and restored to newness.

 

[LeviR]

Water or...?

Romans 6:3 (KJV) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

If a person comes to the water of baptism for the remission of sins, it would be an act of faith whereby his sins are forgiven.
If someone has fallen hook, line and sinker into the idea that a person can do nothing to save himself, that someone might argue against John’s baptism for the remission of sins.

Can anyone show where the ordinance of water baptism has been revoked?

 

[LeviR]

@prism

What do you suppose it means “there is.one baptism”?

The Bible actually speaks of three baptisms. Water, Holy Spirit and suffering.

One baptism would therefore imply only one mode of baptism. That would be immersion, which is the actual meaning of the word.

Immersion is the only mode of baptism.

Immersed in water, immersed in the Holy Spirit, and immersed in suffering.

Not sprinkled with water, sprinkled with the Holy Spirit or sprinkled in suffering.

 

[prism]

@prism

What do you suppose it means “there is.one baptism”?

The Bible actually speaks of three baptisms. Water, Holy Spirit and suffering.

One baptism would therefore imply only one mode of baptism. That would be immersion, which is the actual meaning of the word.

Immersion is the only mode of baptism.

Immersed in water, immersed in the Holy Spirit, and immersed in suffering.

Not sprinkled with water, sprinkled with the Holy Spirit or sprinkled in suffering.

This topic is not about modes of baptism.

 

[LeviR]

This topic is not about modes of baptism.

Maybe you should change the title and your first post then.

 

[prism]

Maybe you should change the title and your first post then.

It's not about sprinkling, immersion, etc.

 

[Mr GLee]

I agree there is a circumcision done without hands, but how would you answer the Lutheran's who (in their defense of water baptism) love using...

1 Peter 3:21 (KJV) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Like figure denotes a parable is in view. Even the washing of the water of the word Doctrine that fall like rain .

Same water of the word that husbands are to baptize thier wife. Protect her with the water of the word. Doctrines of love

A parable of Christ pouring out his Holy Spirit on dying flesh .In jeapordy of his own Spirit life .

Called to drink the blood, strengthened by grace

Deuteronomy 32 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

Using all forms of H20 to include sweat and spit in other parables used to indicate the pouring out of His Spirit of life

A example using manna .meaning "what is it" to represent our daily bread .In order to separate it pure from corrupted earth dew to signals the work of the Holy Spirit.

The gospel of honey the hidden manna spoke of in Revelation 2:17


Numbers 11:9 And when the dew fell upon the camp in the night, the manna fell upon it.

 

[Arial]

Water baptism is a picture of the baptism with the Holy Spirit.

It is the baptism with the Holy Spirit that places a person into the body of Christ.

Peter, who authored both 1 and 2 Peter, was physically there and witnessed Cornelius and the other Gentiles with him receive the Holy Spirit before their water baptism.

The ark is also a picture of what Christ is to the believer in that:
1. Before the waters of the flood came they were already sealed in the ark (Luke 17:27). Likewise, before one is water baptized today they are already sealed in Christ (Ephesians 1:13).
2. The ark was provided before the cataclysm so was Christ (Revelation 13:8).
3. The ark provided deliverance to Noah while Christ provides deliverance to us (Colossians 1:13).
4. There was only one ark and there is only one Savior (Acts 4:12).
5. God revealed the ark to Noah and God reveals Christ to us (2 Corinthians 4:6).
6. God waited patiently for those to come into the ark and He waits patiently for people to receive Christ (1 Peter 3:20; 2 Peter 3:9).
7. There was a limited amount of time to enter the ark (Genesis 7:11-13) just as there is a limited amount of time to receive salvation in Christ (2 Corinthians 6:2).
8. The ark was made of wood (Genesis 6:14). Christ was the root out of parched ground (Isaiah 53:2) and a branch (Isaiah 11:1).
9. The ark was to have a "cover/pitch" (kopher) inside and out (Genesis 6:14). It had no value without this covering. This same word "kaphar" (verb form) is used to describe the atonement because of the blood of Christ (Leviticus 17:11).
10. Inside the ark one was saved from God's wrath - the same with Christ (John 3:36).
11. Only a few people were saved in the ark (Genesis 7:7) while only a few people will be saved in Christ (Matthew 7:13, 14).

And the few saved in the ark were chosen by God. The few saved in Christ, are chosen by God.

 

[prism]

The analogy of water baptism is of dying to sin, being buried and coming up from the grave a new creature in Christ.

yes, ok, and then?

 

[LeviR]

yes, ok, and then?

Walk in newness of life.

 

[prism]

Water baptism is a picture of the baptism with the Holy Spirit.

It is the baptism with the Holy Spirit that places a person into the body of Christ.

Peter, who authored both 1 and 2 Peter, was physically there and witnessed Cornelius and the other Gentiles with him receive the Holy Spirit before their water baptism.

Interesting, so the baptism Peter is referring to is signifying the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
Does that mean one must receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit in order to be saved?

1 Peter 3:21 (KJV) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[prism]

Walk in newness of life.

Is that law or Gospel? Can one walk in newness of life in their own strength/power?

 

[Fred]

Interesting, so the baptism Peter is referring to is signifying the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
Does that mean one must receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit in order to be saved?

1 Peter 3:21 (KJV) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

All who are Christians have been baptized with the Holy Spirit.
It is this event that places a person into the body of Christ.


Drinking of one Spirit occurs when He is received.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

John 7:37-39
(37) Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
(38) He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’”
(39) But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 10:47-48
(47) “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”
(48) And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

Since the Holy Spirit was received by the Gentiles (Acts 10:47) before their water baptism (Acts 10:48) proves they did "drink of one Spirit"
(1 Corinthians 12:13) before their water baptism. Thus, the baptism mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12:13 refers to being baptized with the Holy Spirit.

This baptism places a person into the body of Christ.

 

[Mr GLee]

Walk in newness of life.

Kind of hard when dead.in trespasses and sin without hope and God in this present world .

Newness of born again spirit life. by the incorruptible power of the seed Christ. the word of God .

1 Peter 1:22-24 King James Version Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

In that way we can plant the incorruptible seed and another water it with the water of the word .

But Christ alone can empower dying mankind to believe and do the invisible eternal things

Each man is awarded his own through his own labor .

Believers preach Christ alone teaches .

1 Corinthians 3: 6-7 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

 

[LeviR]

Is that law or Gospel? Can one walk in newness of life in their own strength/power?

All of the commandments hang on two. Love God with all of you, and love your neighbor as yourself.
These are works of faith. The righteousness which comes by faith.