Rom 6:3. Which baptism is being referred to here?

[prism]

No, because the filling with the Holy Spirit can and should happen more than once after salvation.

I was just going by what you said above, (not Mounce), "Yes, because to receive the Holy Spirit is to receive the Spirit of Jesus (Acts 16:7)."

 

[Fred]

I was just going by what you said above, (not Mounce), "Yes, because to receive the Holy Spirit is to receive the Spirit of Jesus (Acts 16:7)."

Not sure what you mean.

 

[prism]

Show mercy to the poor and needy. Matt 26:11, Mar 14:7, Eze 16:49

Covetousness:
Eph 5
Col 3

Children to parents:
Eph 6:2-3
If a parent needs food, shelter or clothing, provide for them.

Marriage:
If you are married, stay married..
Exception; Adultery.
Matt 5:32

And finally, Pray.

Simple and most practical.

Right, simple and practical for Christian living, but not for our justification.

 

[prism]

Not sure what you mean.

Christ= Holy Spirit. To receive the Holy Spirit more than once would be to receive Christ more than once.

 

[Fred]

Christ= Holy Spirit. To receive the Holy Spirit more than once would be to receive Christ more than once.

Which doesn't happen.

The filling with the Holy Spirit can occur more than once, but not the receiving of the Holy Spirit.

 

[prism]

Which doesn't happen.

The filling with the Holy Spirit can occur more than once, but not the receiving of the Holy Spirit.

But you equated the two, so I just continued the logical conclusion. Nevermind.

 

[LeviR]

Right, simple and practical for Christian living, but not for our justification.

If the law is not written in the heart, neither is name written in the book of life.

 

[Fred]

But you equated the two, so I just continued the logical conclusion. Nevermind.

When one initially happens so does the other.
I don't know why you aren't able to figure this out. Several times in the NT people were said to be filled with the Holy Spirit after they became members of the church.
Not once do we read a person received the Holy Spirit a second time.

 

[Mr GLee]

When one initially happens so does the other.
I don't know why you aren't able to figure this out. Several times in the NT people were said to be filled with the Holy Spirit after they became members of the church.
Not once do we read a person received the Holy Spirit a second time.

The Holy Spirit empowers the church. The us that have not gone out from us described in 1 John .

1 John 2:18-19 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The doctrine of the true us Christ in us Receiving the end from the beginning one work.

I would think no limbo or purgatory but "let there be" and "it was God alone good."

1 Peter 1:9-11 Receiving the end of your (born again) faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

 

[Fred]

The doctrine of the true us Christ in us Receiving the end from the beginning one work.

I would think no limbo or purgatory but "let there be" and "it was God alone good."

??

 

[prism]

If the law is not written in the heart, neither is name written in the book of life.

Where do we find that in Scripture? Besides even with the new nature, our perfection falls way short of Christ’s perfection otherwise we would not need a Savior.

 

[prism]

When one initially happens so does the other.
I don't know why you aren't able to figure this out. Several times in the NT people were said to be filled with the Holy Spirit after they became members of the church.
Not once do we read a person received the Holy Spirit a second time.

I believe I said ‘nevermind’.

 

[Fred]

I believe I said ‘nevermind’.

Great. You can say, nevermind, but that doesn't mean it prevents me from responding.

 

[LeviR]

Where do we find that in Scripture? Besides even with the new nature, our perfection falls way short of Christ’s perfection otherwise we would not need a Savior.

We see Christ’s sacrifice differently. I suppose that’s why we understand our role as Christians differently.

I do not believe we receive a new nature once we believe the gospel and have faith In that belief.

I believe we are baptized into Christ for the remission of our past sins. Baptism signifies the dying of the old man who was a servant to sin, and the rising of a new man as a servant of Christ.

Christs sacrifice only makes it possible to be granted eternal life whereby we do actually take on a new nature by resurrection.

If Christ sacrifice makes this possible, then as followers we respond to God’s grace and mercy towards us in a way that is pleasing to Him. Otherwise we would be ungrateful for the life He provides through His Son.

We are therefore commanded to walk in newness of life as a sign of our love for Him and others.

To not do good works is to be in contempt of Christ and the sacrifice He made for us to enter into the presence of God.

 

[prism]

Great. You can say, nevermind, but that doesn't mean it prevents me from responding.

ditto

 

[Fred]

ditto

So continue on to tell yourself, 'nevermind.'

 

[prism]

We see Christ’s sacrifice differently. I suppose that’s why we understand our role as Christians differently

After reading your post, I agree.

I do not believe we receive a new nature once we believe the gospel and have faith In that belief.

We believe the Gospel because we have a new nature.

I believe we are baptized into Christ for the remission of our past sins. Baptism signifies the dying of the old man who was a servant to sin, and the rising of a new man as a servant of Christ.

Not past sins only but all our sins.

Christs sacrifice only makes it possible to be granted eternal life whereby we do actually take on a new nature by resurrection.

Not just possible but certain. Are you Roman Catholic?

If Christ sacrifice makes this possible, then as followers we respond to God’s grace and mercy towards us in a way that is pleasing to Him. Otherwise we would be ungrateful for the life He provides through His Son.

That's why it is not an 'IF', but Christ sacrifice makes eternal life CERTAIN, not just possible.

If Christ sacrifice makes this possible, then as followers we respond to God’s grace and mercy towards us in a way that is pleasing to Him. Otherwise we would be ungrateful for the life He provides through His Son.

How can you be fully thankful for a possible gift?

We are therefore commanded to walk in newness of life as a sign of our love for Him and others.

We are commanded to believe the Gospel which exalts Christ and humbles our pride.

To not do good works is to be in contempt of Christ and the sacrifice He made for us to enter into the presence of God.

Only His Work is what counts and our thankful response to Him. We have free access to enter His Presence through the blood of Jesus Christ.

 

[prism]

So continue on to tell yourself, 'nevermind.'

ditto

 

[David Lamb]

I do not believe we receive a new nature once we believe the gospel and have faith In that belief.

That doesn't make sense to me. "Faith" and "belief" translate the same Greek word "pistis" in the New Testament. So if faith is belief, what does it mean to have faith in belief?

 

[LeviR]

That doesn't make sense to me. "Faith" and "belief" translate the same Greek word "pistis" in the New Testament. So if faith is belief, what does it mean to have faith in belief?

See Hebrews 11, James 2