Rom 6:3. Which baptism is being referred to here?

[David Lamb]

See Hebrews 11, James 2

Hebrews 11, that wonderful "faith chapter", uses the word "pistis" for faith. Similarly, James 2. Other verses translate exactly the same word, pistis, as "belief". For example:

“But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,” (2Th 2:13 NKJV)

 

[Mr GLee]

That doesn't make sense to me. "Faith" and "belief" translate the same Greek word "pistis" in the New Testament. So if faith is belief, what does it mean to have faith in belief?

Faith is a labor of let there be . . .love

Faith is the power of God by which we can believe the first works of his love according as it is written . "Let there be" power of love .

Revelation 2:4-6 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. (believe God) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; (believe God) or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds (faith in thier own selves )of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

Faith in belief ? It would mean they are trusting thier own selves. Faith that works. . . is belief.

 

[LeviR]

Faith is a labor of let there be . . .love

Faith is the power of God by which we can believe the first works of his love according as it is written . "Let there be" power of love .

Revelation 2:4-6 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. (believe God) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; (believe God) or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds (faith in thier own selves )of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

Faith in belief ? It would mean they are trusting thier own selves. Faith that works. . . is belief.

Whether one says he believes or has faith or trusts in God, if good works do not accompany, then whatever you want to call what you have, it is dead.

 

[David Lamb]

Faith is a labor of let there be . . .love

Faith is the power of God by which we can believe the first works of his love according as it is written . "Let there be" power of love .

Revelation 2:4-6 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. (believe God) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; (believe God) or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds (faith in thier own selves )of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

Faith in belief ? It would mean they are trusting thier own selves. Faith that works. . . is belief.

I was saying the same, that faith in belief doesn't make sense. Faith is belief.

 

[prism]

I was saying the same, that faith in belief doesn't make sense. Faith is belief.

Sometimes 'faith' is used as in a body of teaching, then belief in (the) faith makes sense.

Jude 1:3 KJV
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

 

[Mr GLee]

Sometimes 'faith' is used as in a body of teaching, then belief in (the) faith makes sense.

Jude 1:3 KJV
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Faith the "let there be" power and it was good of two working as one .

Like my wife and I . She by faith trust if she sends me out as her apostles (send messenger). . Amazon, Western Union, Uber, with a list of ten items on a adventure to the supermarket .Not adding or subtracting. upon completing the mission .I receive the reward of the apostle two or three home made peanut butter cookies with a milk chocolate heresy kiss and a cold glass of milk . Nap time

He gives us little of His faithful power pouring it faithfully out on dying flesh. Calls us ye of little of faith ones .Not faulting just revealing the fact .

The apostles when challenged of the increase work load they declared give us a little more faith, power to do the will of the father

.Or faith of my wife. Let there be. . no cookie crumbs , wipe of the milk mustache or no nap . Yes dear 10/4 ! LOL

 

[LeviR]

I was saying the same, that faith in belief doesn't make sense. Faith is belief.

We use the words “believe”, “faith” and “trust” in certain context where there is a slight difference. For example:

“Do you believe the gospel?”

“Do you have faith in God?”

“Do you trust the scripture?”

It would not be uncommon to say “Do you have faith in what you believe?”

 

[David Lamb]

We use the words “believe”, “faith” and “trust” in certain context where there is a slight difference. For example:

“Do you believe the gospel?”

“Do you have faith in God?”

“Do you trust the scripture?”

It would not be uncommon to say “Do you have faith in what you believe?”

You point is true in English. What I wrote referred to the original Greek of the New Testament, which uses the same word, pistis, for both faith and belief.

 

[LeviR]

You point is true in English. What I wrote referred to the original Greek of the New Testament, which uses the same word, pistis, for both faith and belief.

I think the word pistis has depth of meaning to it. It could go from a simple acknowledgment that something may be true, to a firm steady conviction and trust that something is true.

 

[Mr GLee]

Faith is the power of Christ to "let there be"

It is a work or labor of love and "it was God alone good.

Faith the plan cannot be separate of work

Faith is a work

 

[TMSO]

Water or...?

Romans 6:3 (KJV) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

The water baptism is symbolic in nature, just like communion/the Lord's table. For the believer, this is what their baptism signifies. The death of the old life in Christ, and rising to a new life in Christ.

 

[LeviR]

The water baptism is symbolic in nature, just like communion/the Lord's table. For the believer, this is what their baptism signifies. The death of the old life in Christ, and rising to a new life in Christ.

Not exactly. John’s baptism is for the remission of sins. Let’s not forget that.

 

[TMSO]

Not exactly. John’s baptism is for the remission of sins. Let’s not forget that.

I wasn't talking about John's baptism. I'm talking about what comes after. The baptism by which the Gentiles were inaugurated into the church.

"44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the [ag]message. 45 All the [ah]circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days."

 

[LeviR]

I wasn't talking about John's baptism. I'm talking about what comes after. The baptism by which the Gentiles were inaugurated into the church.

"44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the [ag]message. 45 All the [ah]circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days."

John’s baptism is water baptism. It’s called the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Those who refuse John’s baptism think they have nothing to repent of or any sins to remitt. They’re the self-righteous ones.
They’re the ones who think they’re better than everyone else. Better than those sinners.
Baptism levels the playing field. It puts everyone in the same class. The mountains are made low and the valleys rise. Level field.

The ones who think they’re better want to devour the weak. They go about like lions in this wilderness called the world to oppress the poor in spirit and meek of the earth.
Their days are numbered.

 

[LeviR]

I wasn't talking about John's baptism. I'm talking about what comes after. The baptism by which the Gentiles were inaugurated into the church.

"44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the [ag]message. 45 All the [ah]circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days."

You’ll find the self-righteous ones in the churches that baptize infants and the churches who claim water baptism isn’t necessary. Like the Pentecostals for example. Self-righteous they are.

 

[Mr GLee]

Not exactly. John’s baptism is for the remission of sins. Let’s not forget that.

I would think a person can splash around in H20 all day .It will evaporate and it will not provide forgiveness to ones soul .. we understand (walk by faith) after the unseen eternal things not the temporal historical (literal)

John's baptism the introduction of a new priesthood of believers. It was changed from the tribe of Lévi to all the nations of the world.

Self righteousness works

Jesus the head priest from the tribe of Judah . Same rules no adding to the living abiding Word with I did it it proves it (strange fire) or what some call sign gift . There is not one thing dying mankind can do outwardly that would extend life beyond ones last breath .

Numbers 26:61 And Nadab and Abihu died, when they offered strange fire before the Lord.

We understand the spiritual things by faith the eternal unseen .

Making it necessary to rightly divide the parables the "unseen eternal" They as signified understanding must be mixed with the "temporal historical" .

If not the gospel message stays hid from the non- believers .Faithless

2 Corinthians 4: 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Very valuable interpreting tool .I would offer don't begin studying without it .

 

[Red Baker]

Water or...?

Romans 6:3 (KJV) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

It is water baptism. When a believer is baptized ~ s/he is baptized "into" the religion/faith of Jesus Christ. Water baptism speak to the eyes what the gospel does to the ear~ when are baptized, we are telling others that we truly believe in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the only means of the forgiveness of our sins~per 1st Peter 3:21.

Only those who faith, can be baptize ~baptism is not the means of the forgiveness of our sins, it has no saving power in a regenerating sense, only practical.

There is no baptism of the Spirit in our day, not one scripture is given to the churches in the churches epistles for us to seek after, as the Pentecostals teach.

 

[prism]

There is no baptism of the Spirit in our day,

So God started giving but ceased, or He never gave the baptism of the Spirit in the first place?

Matthew 3:11 (KJV) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

 

[TMSO]

John’s baptism is water baptism. It’s called the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Those who refuse John’s baptism think they have nothing to repent of or any sins to remitt. They’re the self-righteous ones.
They’re the ones who think they’re better than everyone else. Better than those sinners.
Baptism levels the playing field. It puts everyone in the same class. The mountains are made low and the valleys rise. Level field.

The ones who think they’re better want to devour the weak. They go about like lions in this wilderness called the world to oppress the poor in spirit and meek of the earth.
Their days are numbered.

God is clear when He says that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin. One did not go to John the Baptist for remission of sin.

 

[TMSO]

You’ll find the self-righteous ones in the churches that baptize infants and the churches who claim water baptism isn’t necessary. Like the Pentecostals for example. Self-righteous they are.

They go with the misinterpretation of the Bible by the Catholic Church. Baptism was transliterated from the Greek instead of translated. It has a direct meaning of immersion.