Predestination?

[Tambora]

Lk 2:10-11
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Thks

Hallelujah!

 

[1Thess521]

Absolutely. Tell that to every person instead of telling that it is impossible to be sufficient for some.

I never saw anyone claim it was insufficient for all.
It is only effective for those who have faith

 

[Tambora]

I never saw anyone claim it was insufficient for all.
It is only effective for those who have faith

How can Calvinism claim it is sufficient for all when they say it is not possible for some???

 

[1Thess521]

How can Calvinism claim it is sufficient for all when they say it is not possible for some???

It is sufficient in that there is more than enough for all .
Calvinism claims the scope is limited.
The other side claims the effect is limited.
Is there anyone that is not redeemed?
will there be redeemed people in hell?

 

[1Thess521]

How can Calvinism claim it is sufficient for all when they say it is not possible for some???

There will not be a single believer not redeemed.

 

[Tambora]

It is sufficient in that there is more than enough for all.

Can't be sufficient for all unless it is possible for all.

Calvinism claims the scope is limited.
The other side claims the effect is limited.
Is there anyone that is not redeemed?
will there be redeemed people in hell?

The gospel is possible for any to accept or reject.

 

[1Thess521]

Can't be sufficient for all unless it is possible for all.


The gospel is possible for any to accept or reject.

Is there anyone that is not redeemed?
will there be redeemed people in hell?

 

[Carbon]

God forces you yo be saved against your will???

This is how many think that resist scripture truth.

And even worse forces you to be lost even if you comply with Jos requirements for salvation and Love Him???

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6:37. Jesus said he will cast none out that come to him, you say Jesus forces some to be lost. Hmmm, I'll listen to what Jesus said.

 

[Rella]

This is how many think that resist scripture truth.

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6:37. Jesus said he will cast none out that come to him, you say Jesus forces some to be lost. Hmmm, I'll listen to what Jesus said.

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; ( Would those not be who the Father was giving to Jesus?) and him that cometh to me (Would that not be those that the Father gave to Him?) I will in no wise cast out. John 6:37

" Hmmm, I'll listen to what Jesus said". Agreed. Jesus will take whoever the Father sends. The trouble is, not everyone will be sent.

 

[Rella]

It is sufficient in that there is more than enough for all .
Calvinism claims the scope is limited.
The other side claims the effect is limited.
Is there anyone that is not redeemed?
will there be redeemed people in hell?

Got Questions explains for good understanding of those that are not redeemed.

What does it mean to have a reprobate mind? | GotQuestions.org

What does it mean to have a reprobate mind? What is the cure/fix for a reprobate mind?

www.gotquestions.org

The phrase “reprobate mind” is found in Romans 1:28 in reference to those whom God has rejected as godless and wicked. They “suppress the truth by their wickedness,” and it is upon these people that the wrath of God rests (Romans 1:18). The Greek word translated “reprobate” in the New Testament is adokimos, which means literally “unapproved, that is, rejected; by implication, worthless (literally or morally).”

Paul describes two men named Jannes and Jambres as those who “resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith" (2 Timothy 3:8). Here the reprobation is regarding the resistance to the truth because of corrupt minds. In Titus, Paul also refers to those whose works are reprobate: “They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate” (Titus 1:16). Therefore, the reprobate mind is one that is corrupt and worthless.

As we can see in the verses above, people who are classified as having a reprobate mind have some knowledge of God and perhaps know of His commandments. However, they live impure lives and have very little desire to please God. Those who have reprobate minds live corrupt and selfish lives. Sin is justified and acceptable to them. The reprobates are those whom God has rejected and has left to their own devices.

Can a Christian have a reprobate mind? Someone who has sincerely accepted Jesus Christ by faith will not have this mindset because the old person with a reprobate mind has been recreated into a new creation: “The old has passed away; behold, the new has come” (2 Corinthians 5:17). Christians are basically “new” people. We live differently and speak differently. Our world is centered on our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and how we can serve Him. Also, if we are truly in the faith, we will have the Holy Spirit to help us live a God-honoring life (John 14:26). Those with reprobate minds do not have the Spirit and live only for themselves.

What Does The Bible Say About A Reprobate Mind​

Romans 1:28​

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.

This verse teaches us that when individuals continually reject and refuse to acknowledge God, He may give them over to a reprobate mind. A reprobate mind is a mind that is corrupt, wicked, and beyond correction.

When someone reaches this state, they are no longer able to discern right from wrong and engage in behaviors that are not pleasing to God. It is a sobering reminder to seek God and His wisdom, lest we fall into a reprobate mindset.

Ephesians 4:17-18​

This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them because of the blindness of their heart.

These verses admonish believers not to walk as the Gentiles do. The Gentiles, described as having a vanity of mind, walk in darkness and are alienated from the life of God due to their ignorance and blindness.

As Christians, we are called to live differently, guided by the truth and light of God’s Word. We should strive to have our minds renewed by the Holy Spirit, so that we may not be led astray by the darkness of a reprobate mind.

1 Corinthians 2:14​

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

This verse highlights that the natural man, or someone without the Holy Spirit, cannot receive or understand the things of God. To them, it seems foolish because spiritual matters can only be discerned through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

It emphasizes the importance of being spiritually enlightened and connected to God. Without the Holy Spirit, one is more prone to a reprobate mind, unable to comprehend the truths of God’s Word.

Proverbs 28:26​

He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

This verse warns against putting our trust solely in our own hearts or understanding. It states that those who do so are considered fools. However, those who walk wisely, seeking guidance from God and His Word, will experience deliverance and spiritual discernment

Trusting in our own minds can lead to a reprobate mindset, but entrusting ourselves to God’s wisdom brings clarity and guidance on the right path.

Titus 1:15-16​

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

These verses highlight the contrasting attitudes between those who are pure and those who are defiled and unbelieving. The pure see and perceive things as pure, while the defiled find nothing pure, as their minds and consciences are corrupted.

It reveals the dangers of professing to know God but denying Him in one’s actions. When our works are characterized by disobedience and abominable behavior, we risk becoming reprobate in our minds and unable to discern what is good.

Isaiah 55:7​

Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

This verse calls upon the wicked and unrighteous to forsake their ways and thoughts and turn to the Lord. It promises that God will have mercy and abundantly pardon those who repent.

It shows that even those who may have had a reprobate mind can find forgiveness and redemption through sincere repentance and returning to God. His mercy and love are available to all who turn to Him.

There are more here... but this should show you... especially Isaiah just above that there is hope. Therefore that means Free
Will.

 

[Carbon]

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; ( Would those not be who the Father was giving to Jesus?) and him that cometh to me (Would that not be those that the Father gave to Him?) I will in no wise cast out. John 6:37

" Hmmm, I'll listen to what Jesus said". Agreed. Jesus will take whoever the Father sends. The trouble is, not everyone will be sent.

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[Carbon]

Got Questions explains for good understanding of those that are not redeemed.

Personally, I do not like or use that site.

 

[Mr GLee]

It is sufficient in that there is more than enough for all .
Calvinism claims the scope is limited.
The other side claims the effect is limited.
Is there anyone that is not redeemed?
will there be redeemed people in hell?

It is sufficient because all that the father gave to the Son will come .
Not one more or one less

Let there be and there was . Not let there be maybe. You're close in the ball park.

 

[Carbon]

It is sufficient because all that the father gave to the Son will come .
Not one more or one less

Agreed. They will come without a doubt.

 

[Rella]

Personally, I do not like or use that site.

Understood.

I dont like most sites.

Got questions is just very basic in explaining things so a 12 year old would understand their view.

I dont agree with them on everything. They are way too pre-destined in views for me.

At least they do not agree on both sides of things and I have read many that do that.

 

[Mr GLee]

Agreed. They will come without a doubt.

I would offer.

Note.....(Purple) my added opinion.

Many are deceived to believe doubt is the oposite of faith power to believe and not no faith the true oposite. Giving ammunition's for the accuser of the brethren accusing the brother 24/7 every time they doubt .

Doubt is necessary needed to chose truthful substance.

1 Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions?(doubt) if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.

Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without (doubt) wavering; (for he is faithful that promised. . . . (And it was God alone good.)

Predestination. . . "Let there be" and "it was good." the law of faith