Predestination?

[1Thess521]

Did you read any of it?

Why dodn’t you tell us what elect means ?

 

[1Thess521]

How can there be the practice of excommunication if we are all elect in your understanding

As you did not use the reply button who said all are elect?

If you were not saved at the end, then you were not among the elect.
If you were saved at the end, then you were among the elect.

 

[Arial]

He is the redeemer of all men
Whole world

All people

Lk 2:10-11
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Thks

Is Catholicism also universalism? Then it contradicts itself mightily. What is meant by "all" people, "the world", "the whole world" in those passages? You must find a correct usage of the terms from within their context and in a way that will not contradict one single other thing in Scripture. Can you do that? Will you do that?

 

[Arial]

How can there be the practice of excommunication if we are all elect in your understanding

Not everyone is elect. Excommunication is a doctrine of the Catholic church that says it has the power of God to condemn a person to hell by excommunicating them----from what? The Catholic church. The Catholic church does not determine who the elect OF God are. Only God does that. It is itself a doctrine from the pit of hell.

 

[1Thess521]

How can there be the practice of excommunication if we are all elect in your understanding

I never saw anyone ever state that all are elect

 

[1Thess521]

He is the redeemer of all men

then why aren't all redeemed?

Let me guess...Jesus is a merely a potential redeemer

 

[Carbon]

then why aren't all redeemed?

Let me guess...Jesus is a merely a potential redeemer

Right! Either you were redeemed or you weren't.

 

[Tambora]

then why aren't all redeemed?

Let me guess...Jesus is a merely a potential redeemer

Calvinism would say Jesus is a potential redeemer since He only provided redemption for some of mankind but not all.

 

[Carbon]

Calvinism would say Jesus is a potential redeemer since He only provided redemption for some of mankind but not all.

Actually, that makes no sense.

 

[1Thess521]

Calvinism would say Jesus is a potential redeemer since He only provided redemption for some of mankind but not all.

nope:
Jesus actually, and effectively redeemed.

 

[donadams]

then why aren't all redeemed?

Let me guess...Jesus is a merely a potential redeemer

All men are redeemed

In the largest sense

And thats makes the next step justification

 

[donadams]

I never saw anyone ever state that all are elect

Did not say all

 

[1Thess521]

Did not say all

You said this
"How can there be the practice of excommunication if we are all elect in your understanding"

 

[1Thess521]

All men are redeemed

In the largest sense

And thats makes the next step justification

please be crystal clear: is there anyone who is not redeemed ?

 

[donadams]

Calvinism would say Jesus is a potential redeemer since He only provided redemption for some of mankind but not all.

Lk 2:10-11
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Thks

 

[Tambora]

nope:
Jesus actually, and effectively redeemed.

But what He did to achieve redemption of mankind was not sufficient to be applicable to all according to Calvinism.

 

[1Thess521]

Lk 2:10-11
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Thks

Propitiation means to appease God's wrath : (agreed?)
People who end up in Hell are under the wrath of God (agreed?)
Therefore propiation was not made for them,


John 3: 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

 

[1Thess521]

But what He did to achieve redemption of mankind was not sufficient to be applicable to all according to Calvinism.

It is sufficient to pay for every person that ever lived, But it was effective for every person that has the God-given gift of faith.

 

[1Thess521]

But what He did to achieve redemption of mankind was not sufficient to be applicable to all according to Calvinism.

Is there anyone that is not redeemed?
will there be redeemed people in hell?

 

[Tambora]

It is sufficient to pay for every person that ever lived,

Absolutely. Tell that to every person instead of telling that it is impossible to be sufficient for some.