Paul Came Across Disciples of John the Baptist's in Acts 19:1-7

This is important as this false teaching from Pentecostals & Charismatic circles can find its way into the other Christian churches where they misapply Acts 19:1-7 as if they were disciples of Jesus Christ that had not received the Holy Spirit yet but when reading with His wisdom, you can see they were never believers in Jesus Christ but disciples of John the Baptist's.

To understand what Luke was meaning by using the term "certain disciples" that Paul came across, we should keep in mind that there are 3 kinds of disciples in Jesus's days; the disciples of the Pharisees, the disciples of John the Baptist's, and the disciples of Jesus Christ.

Luke 5:33 And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?

So may the Lord help you keep that in mind when reading Acts 19:1-7

Acts 19:1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7 And all the men were about twelve.

So Paul came across certain disciples but he did not know what kind. After Paul inquired of them about the Holy spirit, then Paul asked them of what water baptism they were under which was John the Baptist's.

So that told Paul they were disciples of John the Baptist's.

Paul then proceed to tell them about Jesus Christ Whom John the Baptist was preaching about.

Then they obviously believed in Jesus Christ for why they got water baptized in Jesus's name.

Pentecostals & Charismatics have been applying this reference as proof that saved believers, and even His disciples, do not always get the baptism with the Holy Spirit so as to promote saved believers to seek after that baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues which is an apostate calling denying the faith in Jesus Christ. This teaching and misapplication of Acts 19:1-7 may have crept into the Christian churches and be aware of those that would take your eyes off of Christ to seeking a receiving of the Spirit by a sign.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith..... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Faith is a fruit of the Spirit; Galatians 2:22-23 Faith is received by the hearing of the word Romans 10:17 just as the Holy Spirit is received by the hearing of the word Acts 10:43-44, When no man can come to the Son unless the father draws him per John 6:44 as it is the father that reveals His son to us per Matthew 11:25-27 , then our believing in Jesus Christ is the manifested work of God per verse 21 of John 3:18-21.

So no believer needs a sign nor proof of having received the Holy Spirit when by coming to and believing in Jesus Christ, is a manifest work of God for why we can give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for so doing.

 

[Mr GLee]

Yes, tongues as prophecy follow a person has believed signs do not lead prophecy does .

There is nothing we can do outwardly as proof of Christ working in us . Neither baptism (H20) or the improper use of the word tongue (prophecy)

 

[ChristB4us]

Yes, tongues as prophecy follow a person has believed signs do not lead prophecy does .

1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

There is nothing we can do outwardly as proof of Christ working in us . Neither baptism (H20) or the improper use of the word tongue (prophecy)

There is nothing we can do outwardly in doing God's work or to seek proof of our salvation but to believe in Jesus Christ as God our Saviour that we are saved and believe in Jesus Christ as Our Good Shepherd & Friend to help us to follow Him daily in thought, word, and deed.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.... 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead....

.....12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure......

......8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Jesus Christ is doing a very good job in keeping my soul while I suffer with His help in ceasing from sin in thought, word, and deed daily.

 

[JIM]

This is important as this false teaching from Pentecostals & Charismatic circles can find its way into the other Christian churches where they misapply Acts 19:1-7 as if they were disciples of Jesus Christ that had not received the Holy Spirit yet but when reading with His wisdom, you can see they were never believers in Jesus Christ but disciples of John the Baptist's.

To understand what Luke was meaning by using the term "certain disciples" that Paul came across, we should keep in mind that there are 3 kinds of disciples in Jesus's days; the disciples of the Pharisees, the disciples of John the Baptist's, and the disciples of Jesus Christ.

Luke 5:33 And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?

So may the Lord help you keep that in mind when reading Acts 19:1-7

Acts 19:1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7 And all the men were about twelve.

So Paul came across certain disciples but he did not know what kind. After Paul inquired of them about the Holy spirit, then Paul asked them of what water baptism they were under which was John the Baptist's.

So that told Paul they were disciples of John the Baptist's.

Paul then proceed to tell them about Jesus Christ Whom John the Baptist was preaching about.

Then they obviously believed in Jesus Christ for why they got water baptized in Jesus's name.

Pentecostals & Charismatics have been applying this reference as proof that saved believers, and even His disciples, do not always get the baptism with the Holy Spirit so as to promote saved believers to seek after that baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues which is an apostate calling denying the faith in Jesus Christ. This teaching and misapplication of Acts 19:1-7 may have crept into the Christian churches and be aware of those that would take your eyes off of Christ to seeking a receiving of the Spirit by a sign.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith..... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Faith is a fruit of the Spirit; Galatians 2:22-23 Faith is received by the hearing of the word Romans 10:17 just as the Holy Spirit is received by the hearing of the word Acts 10:43-44, When no man can come to the Son unless the father draws him per John 6:44 as it is the father that reveals His son to us per Matthew 11:25-27 , then our believing in Jesus Christ is the manifested work of God per verse 21 of John 3:18-21.

So no believer needs a sign nor proof of having received the Holy Spirit when by coming to and believing in Jesus Christ, is a manifest work of God for why we can give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for so doing.

It sounds as if you think that it is Baptism with the Holy Spirit that provides the ability to speak in tongues. I think that is incorrect. I would argue that Baptism with the Holy Spirit is what is described in Acts 2:38 in the (water) baptism in the name of Jesus Christ 'for the forgiveness of sins and to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. I believe that the gift of the Holy Spirit is Baptism with the Holy Spirit.

I think there can be no valid argument against the baptism that Peter spoke of in Acts 2:38 being water baptism. And we know from Ephesians 4:5 that there is only one baptism.

 

[Mr GLee]

It sounds as if you think that it is Baptism with the Holy Spirit that provides the ability to speak in tongues. I think that is incorrect. I would argue that Baptism with the Holy Spirit is what is described in Acts 2:38 in the (water) baptism in the name of Jesus Christ 'for the forgiveness of sins and to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. I believe that the gift of the Holy Spirit is Baptism with the Holy Spirit.

Tongues is prophecy.

H20 baptism seen or baptism of the Holy Spirit not seen?

 

[JIM]

Tongues is prophecy.

Tongues is simply languages. Usually in the bible when someone is said to speak in tongues it denotes the miracle of speaking a foreign language note previously able to speak. It often is a miraculous means of speaking in such a language to prophesy.

H20 baptism seen or baptism of the Holy Spirit not seen?

I believe them to be one and the same. It is in water baptism when one is given the gift of the Holy Spirit, i.e., when Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit. In that case the gift is not from the Holy Spirit; rather the gift is the Holy Spirit and the person is "immersed" with/in/by the Holy Spirit.

 

[ChristB4us]

It sounds as if you think that it is Baptism with the Holy Spirit that provides the ability to speak in tongues. I think that is incorrect.

Actually, I do not believe that at all since not all believers speak in tongues when born again of the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Which that excellent way is having Christ's love for others.

You may come across some Christians sharing something that originated from Pentecostals and Charismatic circles which that "something" is implying Acts 19:1-7 was about those certain disciples being disciples of Jesus Christ and thus believers in Jesus Christ when they were neither, but they misapply Acts 19:1-7 to prompt saved already saved believers and even new believers after preaching the gospel, to seek that baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues so as to prove they are born again of the Spirit and thus saved. That is an apostate calling departing from the faith in Jesus Christ as Jesus warned about looking for a sign to believe in Matthew 12:38-40 as an adulterous generation.

So we need to be aware of how Paul came across disciples of John the Baptist's in Acts 19:1-7 for why he had to tell them about Jesus Christ as being the One that John the Baptist was prophesying about and then they believed and got water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in becoming His disciples as well as being born again of the Spirit.

The Pentecostals and Charismatics misapplication of Acts 19:1-7 does invoke the spirits of the antichrist to come for new believers or already saved believers in seeking after as that sign of tongues that they had received the Holy Ghost, but that sign of tongues is gibberish nonsense for why many wayward believers assume in error that the tongue is for private use when 1 Corinthians 12:4-7 & 19-21 proves it never was.

That is the purpose of this edification so that Christians can be made aware of such false teachings in trying to bring in that apostate calling by playing on the insecurities of believers about whether or not they have the Holy Spirit or that they had been born again of the Spirit at all.

But no believer needs a sign nor proof of having received the Holy Spirit when by coming to and believing in Jesus Christ, is a manifest work of God for why we can give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for so doing.

Faith is a fruit of the Spirit; Galatians 2:22-23 Faith is received by the hearing of the word Romans 10:17 just as the Holy Spirit is received by the hearing of the word Acts 10:43-44, When no man can come to the Son unless the father draws him per John 6:44 as it is the father that reveals His Son to us per Matthew 11:25-27 , then our believing in Jesus Christ is the manifested work of God per verse 21 of John 3:18-21.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith..... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

This is for Christians to have His words for keeping the faith which is the good fight.

I would argue that Baptism with the Holy Spirit is what is described in Acts 2:38 in the (water) baptism in the name of Jesus Christ 'for the forgiveness of sins and to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. I believe that the gift of the Holy Spirit is Baptism with the Holy Spirit.

I think there can be no valid argument against the baptism that Peter spoke of in Acts 2:38 being water baptism. And we know from Ephesians 4:5 that there is only one baptism.

What would be the contention is what that water baptism actually does as Acts 2:38 is convoluted; some say it is for the remission of sins whereas other says it is by repenting from all sins and a few says water baptism does nothing at all.

Since there is only one gospel and it has to be the same for the Gentiles as it is for the Jews, so we look at what this same Peter says to the Gentiles before discerning again for the truth about Acts 2:38 with His help.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

This born again of the Spirit had occurred on the Gentiles before water baptism and yet Peter stated that it is by believing in Him is how one receives the remission of sins.

So now we go back to Acts 2:38 but in context to figure out did Peter preach the same gospel or not?

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Verse 36 explains why the Jews were pricked in their hearts in verse 37 as they did crucified Jesus Christ in "unbelief" about Him being God.

So to answer the Jews that were pricked in their hearts for crucifying Jesus in unbelief, Peter says "Repent" as in repent from unbelief by believing in Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and that is how they had received the promise of the Holy Ghost as water baptism has nothing to do with the salvation process at all since God's hand is not short to save any who believe in Him for lack of water.

So Peter did preached the same gospel to the Jews as he had done to the Gentiles. Granted, as a public witness of their conversion, and showing their desire to follow Jesus Christ as His disciples, the Gentile believers were prompted to be water baptized in His name.

That is the only way to align the truth in His words as this explains why Paul did not emphasized water baptism but the preaching of the cross for how sinners are saved.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.....
......21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

 

[Mr GLee]

1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe

Who is the sign for designed for ? . Those who believe prophecy or those who do not?

Where do we find the law as the foundation and what does it say?

Read slowly and carefully prayerfully

Two kinds of people (Green Christians) and two those who seek after signs and wonder. (purple)

1 Corinthians 14: 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

I believe them to be one and the same. It is in water baptism when one is given the gift of the Holy Spirit, i.e., when Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit. In that case the gift is not from the Holy Spirit; rather the gift is the Holy Spirit and the person is "immersed" with/in/by the Holy Spirit.

Yes, those who seek after water signs to wonder after rather than prophecy the tongue of God. . . water evaporates. The water of the word does not

Deuteronomy 32King James Version32 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

 

[Fred]

To understand what Luke was meaning by using the term "certain disciples" that Paul came across, we should keep in mind that there are 3 kinds of disciples in Jesus's days; the disciples of the Pharisees, the disciples of John the Baptist's, and the disciples of Jesus Christ.

I am not always a fan of "chapter divisions" in the Bible because I think what is described about Apollos just several passages earlier leads into what is said about these 12 in chapter 19.

18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus.
18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spake and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, knowing only the baptism of John.

 

[Fred]

It is in water baptism when one is given the gift of the Holy Spirit

The gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:45) was received before water baptism (Acts 10:48).

 

[ChristB4us]

Who is the sign for designed for ? . Those who believe prophecy or those who do not?

Where do we find the law as the foundation and what does it say?

Read slowly and carefully prayerfully

Two kinds of people (Green Christians) and two those who seek after signs and wonder. (purple)

1 Corinthians 14: 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

For clarity....

Prophesying or edifying one another with His words is the gift of prophesy that serves the believers from the believers.

The gift of tongues being manifested in the believers is not to serve as a sign to the believers but to the unbelievers by speaking in the native tongues of the unbelievers, the good news of Jesus Christ.

 

[ChristB4us]

I am not always a fan of "chapter divisions" in the Bible because I think what is described about Apollos just several passages earlier leads into what is said about these 12 in chapter 19.

18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus.
18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spake and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, knowing only the baptism of John.

What Bible version did you used in referencing Acts 18:24-25 because the KJV has it in this wise below.So

Acts 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

( Your version of verse 25 has "taught accurately the things concerning Jesus" but the KJV did not cite Jesus by name )

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

So Apollo was a Jew who was mighty in the scriptures talking about the things of the Lord until Aquila and Priscilla came along and expounded unto Apollos the way of God more perfectly in the scriptures whereby he began teaching Jesus was Christ thus having become a believer whereas before Apollos was just referencing the Lord in scriptures as a Jew.

I can see how that Bible version you were using, threw you off.

 

[Fred]

What Bible version did you used in referencing Acts 18:24-25 because the KJV has it in this wise below.

My own.

I can see how that Bible version you were using, threw you off.

Zero proof for that.

 

[ChristB4us]

My own.

Zero proof for that.

Your unknown version as quoted

18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus.
18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spake and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, knowing only the baptism of John.

Acts 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. KJV

Your unknown version cites Jesus as if Apollos was talking about Jesus, but in actuality, apollos was talking about the Lord until Aquila and Priscilla was used by the Lord to reveal that Lord Apollos was talking about to be Jesus Christ for why then, he was no longer a Jew but a believer in Jesus Christ in preaching about Him afterwards. See?

If not, I leave it to the Lord Jesus Christ to cause the increase. I know I cannot convince you what had actually happened there that your Bible version is misleading you into believing.

You have to consider what exactly Aquila and Priscilla did for that to be a significant change in Apollos teachings of the scriptures regarding the Lord for Luke to even bother mentioning it in the Book of Acts.

 

[Mr GLee]

For clarity....

Prophesying or edifying one another with His words is the gift of prophesy that serves the believers from the believers.

The gift of tongues being manifested in the believers is not to serve as a sign to the believers but to the unbelievers by speaking in the native tongues of the unbelievers, the good news of Jesus Christ.

Did you even read it?

Is it a negative sign or curse?

What the does sign mean ? Fall back slain in the spirit ?

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:

 

[Fred]

Your unknown version cites Jesus as if Apollos was talking about Jesus, but in actuality, apollos was talking about the Lord

The "Lord" being Jesus.

You don't have a point.

 

[ChristB4us]

Did you even read it?

Is it a negative sign or curse?

What the does sign mean ?

Tongues serves as a sign to unbelievers in hearing the gospel in their native tongue when they know that stranger does not know their tongue and thus a sign that God is speaking to them.

Fall back slain in the spirit ?

If you are not familiar with that apostate phenomenon, you can thank the Father in Jesus's name and let us address your application of 1 Corinthians 14:22.

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:

Right.

So in applying His words, believers should not be using tongues as a sign of having got that baptism with the Holy Ghost because that is not what tongues are for. So believers that do not speak in tongues, do not need to worry about not having the Holy Spirit when faith is a fruit of the Spirit per Galatians 5:22-23 and the fact that they believe means they have the Holy Spirit and are born again believers. Galatians 3:26

Joyce Meyers even used that moment when she initially spoke in tongues as a sign that God was calling her into the ministry BUT again that is not what tongues are for and because that tongue is just gibberish nonsense is why she did not receive God's gift of tongues and neither was that the Holy Spirit coming over her later in life. 1 John 4:1-6 She should shun that tongue and pray normally & edify others with scriptures.

Now for the unbelievers, when a stranger, whom is a believer, that does not know their language, and all of a sudden start speaking in their native tongue the Good News of Jesus Christ, that is how that tongue serves as a sign to the unbelievers that God is speaking to them.

Of course, not every unbeliever will believe just as anyone that preaches the gospel in their own language to others will not always be recipient of the Good News in Christ but that is how tongues serves as a sign towards the unbelievers.

 

[ChristB4us]

The "Lord" being Jesus.

You don't have a point.

Apollos being a Jew and not a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, was talking about scriptures regarding "the Lord" as the KJV has it whereby Aquila and Priscilla helped Apollos to see that Lord that Apollos was preaching about in the scriptures to be the Lord Jesus Christ.

Otherwise, you have to discern why Luke even bothered to write about this incident if Apollos was preaching concerning Jesus and what the difference that Aquila and Priscilla had made after showing the way of God more perfectly if it wasn't by revealing to Apollos that the Lord he was peaching about was the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Fred]

Apollos being a Jew and not a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, was talking about scriptures regarding "the Lord" as the KJV has it whereby Aquila and Priscilla helped Apollos to see that Lord that Apollos was preaching about in the scriptures to be the Lord Jesus Christ.

Apollos was not talking in Acts 18:25.

Acts 18:25
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spake and taught accurately
the things concerning Jesus, knowing only the baptism of John.


John spoke about the Lord Jesus and Acts 18:25 forms this link.

 

[ChristB4us]

Apollos was not talking in Acts 18:25.

Acts 18:25
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spake and taught accurately
the things concerning Jesus, knowing only the baptism of John.


John spoke about the Lord Jesus and Acts 18:25 forms this link.

Fred You are either losing track of the conversation or you are lying.

Here is your unknown Bible version.

18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus.
18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spake and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, knowing only the baptism of John.

This man is that certain Jew named Apollos.

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18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus.
18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spake and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, knowing only the baptism of John.

KING JAMES VERSION 24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

The Jew, Apollos did not know that the scriptures he was teaching about the Lord was the Lord Jesus Christ until Aquila and Priscilla came along and showed him that. Then he became a believer because that is the result of him preaching Jesus Christ afterwards.

He was not peaching Jesus Christ before because he was a Jew. He was preaching scripture concerning the Lord but after Aquilla and Priscilla, showed him the way of God more perfectly, then afterwards he was preaching Jesus Christ.