Paul Came Across Disciples of John the Baptist's in Acts 19:1-7

This is important as this false teaching from Pentecostals & Charismatic circles can find its way into the other Christian churches where they misapply Acts 19:1-7 as if they were disciples of Jesus Christ that had not received the Holy Spirit yet but when reading with His wisdom, you can see they were never believers in Jesus Christ but disciples of John the Baptist's.

To understand what Luke was meaning by using the term "certain disciples" that Paul came across, we should keep in mind that there are 3 kinds of disciples in Jesus's days; the disciples of the Pharisees, the disciples of John the Baptist's, and the disciples of Jesus Christ.

Luke 5:33 And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?

So may the Lord help you keep that in mind when reading Acts 19:1-7

Acts 19:1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7 And all the men were about twelve.

So Paul came across certain disciples but he did not know what kind. After Paul inquired of them about the Holy spirit, then Paul asked them of what water baptism they were under which was John the Baptist's.

So that told Paul they were disciples of John the Baptist's.

Paul then proceed to tell them about Jesus Christ Whom John the Baptist was preaching about.

Then they obviously believed in Jesus Christ for why they got water baptized in Jesus's name.

Pentecostals & Charismatics have been applying this reference as proof that saved believers, and even His disciples, do not always get the baptism with the Holy Spirit so as to promote saved believers to seek after that baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues which is an apostate calling denying the faith in Jesus Christ. This teaching and misapplication of Acts 19:1-7 may have crept into the Christian churches and be aware of those that would take your eyes off of Christ to seeking a receiving of the Spirit by a sign.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith..... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Faith is a fruit of the Spirit; Galatians 2:22-23 Faith is received by the hearing of the word Romans 10:17 just as the Holy Spirit is received by the hearing of the word Acts 10:43-44, When no man can come to the Son unless the father draws him per John 6:44 as it is the father that reveals His son to us per Matthew 11:25-27 , then our believing in Jesus Christ is the manifested work of God per verse 21 of John 3:18-21.

So no believer needs a sign nor proof of having received the Holy Spirit when by coming to and believing in Jesus Christ, is a manifest work of God for why we can give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for so doing.

 

[Fred]

Fred You are either losing track of the conversation or you are lying.

Neither one. You are confused.

taught accurately the things concerning Jesus,

The above is correct.

He was not peaching Jesus Christ before because he was a Jew.

You don't know that because since Apollos knew what John proclaimed then Apollos would not have been totally ignorant of this fact (Luke 3:15). Apollos - knowing only the baptism of John - was not yet introduced to Christ's resurrection.

 

[Mr GLee]

Tongues serves as a sign to unbelievers in hearing the gospel in their native tongue when they know that stranger does not know their tongue and thus a sign that God is speaking to them.

Thanks I would offer


It is evil generation (non converted) mankind rather than trusting prophecy (sola scriptura) They seek after a lying sign to wonder after as if it was prophecy before they will exercise faith and believe.

Several times the sign and wonder seekers (like Nicodemus) called Jesus a circus seal. Do a trick work a miracle then when we see it with our own eyes then we will be believe for ten seconds. The Pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind". Fools no God in the hearts or understanding looking for a flesh Christ as if God was a Jewish man

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see , and believe thee? what dost thou work?

The sign of mocking Christ is against them .

They make a baby noise fall backward slain in the spirit to show they are under the judgment of the law (Isaiah 28) spoken of in 1 Corinthians 14:21

If you are not familiar with that apostate phenomenon, you can thank the Father in Jesus's name and let us address your application of 1 Corinthians 14:22.

I familiar with lying signs to wonder after rather than believing prophecy the tongue of God.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 

[ChristB4us]

Thanks I would offer

It is evil generation (non converted) mankind rather than trusting prophecy (sola scriptura) They seek after a lying sign to wonder after as if it was prophecy before they will exercise faith and believe.

Several times the sign and wonder seekers (like Nicodemus) called Jesus a circus seal.

I do not recall Nicodemus being a sign seeker but simply asked Jesus how one is born again, but yeah, the other Pharisees were asking Him for a sign so they would believe.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Do a trick work a miracle then when we see it with our own eyes then we will be believe for ten seconds. The Pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind". Fools no God in the hearts or understanding looking for a flesh Christ as if God was a Jewish man

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see , and believe thee? what dost thou work?

The sign of mocking Christ is against them .

They make a baby noise fall backward slain in the spirit to show they are under the judgment of the law (Isaiah 28) spoken of in 1 Corinthians 14:21


I familiar with lying signs to wonder after rather than believing prophecy the tongue of God.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Keep trusting Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd & Friend to help you to follow Him and be ready to go for when the Bridegroom comes.

 

[ChristB4us]

Neither one. You are confused.

We dsiagree.

The above is correct.

No. I suspect tongues for private users wrested the scriptures and so I thank you for showing that to me since more than one Bible version did switched out "the Lord" with Jesus when Apollos was not talking about Jesus since he was a Jew and knowing only the baptism of john the Baptist's. If he was actually talking about Jesus, Luke would identify him as a Christian or a disciple of Jesus Christ rather than still a Jew and why he was still a disciple of John the Baptist's.

Acts 18:24-25 KJV, NASB1995, ASV , ESV & NIV

It was after Aquila and Priscilla had talked to Apollos was why Apollos was talking about Jesus Christ afterwards and so it is wrong to switched out the Lord with Jesus in Acts 18:25 when Apollos was talking about the coming of the Lord like John the Baptist was before Jesus came to John the Baptist to reveal Himself as that Lord that John was prophesying about and so it was with Apollos until Aquila & Priscilla show the way of God more perfectly for why Apollos was peaching about Jesus Christ as that Lord he was talking about afterwards.

So I can understand now why YOU along with Pentecostals & Charismatics use Acts 19:1-7 as if they were believers in Jesus Christ when they never were as Acts 18:24-28 in errant modern Bibles mislead readers to believe that disciples of John the Baptist's were believers in Jesus Christ, but if they were, then they would have been water baptized in Jesus's name but they were not and certainly Luke would not identify Apollos as a Jew still if he was a believer in Jesus Christ and so he was not talking about Jesus before but of the Lord by reference in scripture.

Aquila & Priscilla helped him to see that the Lord he was talking about was the Lord Jesus Christ. That was the difference in the testimony that can clearly be seen in the KJV bit not in any of those bible versions that had switched out "the Lord" with Jesus.

Kind of makes one wonder why Luke bother to write about Apollos if he was talking about Jesus beforehand and then again after Aquila & priscilla had showed him the way of the Lord more perfectly.

But at the moment, you are unable to see that discrepancy and so it is on the Lord to help you see that.

You don't know that because since Apollos knew what John proclaimed then Apollos would not have been totally ignorant of this fact (Luke 3:15). Apollos - knowing only the baptism of John - was not yet introduced to Christ's resurrection.

John the Baptist was not prophesying Jesus Christ by name in the wilderness. And even after water baptizing Him when God the Father spoke from Heaven with the Holy Spirit alighting on Him per Matthew 3;15-17, John sent his own disciples to confirm if He was the One or not.

John 7:18 And the disciples of John shewed him of all these things. 19 And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? 20 When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? 21 And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight.

22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

So there is ample evidence that not all of John the Baptist's were aware that Jesus is the Christ for why Paul had to tell them about Jesus as the One John the Baptist was preaching about in the wilderness in Acts 19:1-7 and for Aquila & Priscilla to tell Apollos that the "Lord" he was preaching about was indeed the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Mr GLee]

I do not recall Nicodemus being a sign seeker but simply asked Jesus how one is born again, but yeah, the other Pharisees were asking Him for a sign so they would believe.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Hi Thanks

I would think if the Lord Christ gave loving words to His prophet Jesus as a loving commandment ."Marvel not" .Nicodenmus would of been previously part of that wondering, wondering camp . Peter was also most likely. Most did follow the pagan foundation. Its what Jesus came to do away with wondering, marveling never to coming to the end of faith belief .And he reestablished prophecy as it is written (sola scriptura) .

The sign of Jonah three days and nights of sufferings was fullfed. That was the last sign to wonder after, Believers have prophecy till the end of time.

Satan the king of lying signs to wonder after working over time today stealing away identities selling false identities 1/2 price 3 for the price of false pride

 

[Fred]

We dsiagree.

No. I suspect tongues for private users wrested the scriptures and so I thank you for showing that to me since more than one Bible version did switched out "the Lord"

Correction. "Jesus" was switched out.

So I can understand now why YOU along with Pentecostals & Charismatics use Acts 19:1-7 as if they were believers in Jesus Christ when they never were as Acts 18:24-28 in errant modern Bibles mislead readers to believe that disciples of John the Baptist's were believers in Jesus Christ

Which reveals how confused you are because that is something I don't believe.

 

[ChristB4us]

Correction. "Jesus" was switched out.

Seeing how Apollos was a Jew and knowing only the baptism of John's, then he was not preaching about Jesus before Aquila & Priscilla came along.

Which reveals how confused you are because that is something I don't believe.

And yet you referred to Acts 18:24-25 as if to cast doubt about the reading of Acts 19:1-7.

What is the difference in according to your Bible version you are using that had Apollos preaching about Jesus and then Aquila & Priscilla came along and then Apollos was preaching about Jesus Christ afterwards? No difference.

Therefore the wording of Jesus instead of the Lord is wrong and it is obvious that Apollos was preaching concern the Lord before Aquila & Priscilla came along for why Apollos was preaching Jesus Christ afterwards.

But only Jesus Christ can help you see the truth in His words for how it will be obvious to you.

 

[Fred]

Seeing how Apollos was a Jew and knowing only the baptism of John's, then he was not preaching about Jesus before Aquila & Priscilla came along.

I already addressed this at the bottom of post 21.

 

[ChristB4us]

I already addressed this at the bottom of post 21.

You are reading from the Book of Acts and so what is Apollos reading about from the Old Testament when the name of Jesus is not found anywhere in the Old Testament other than Emmanuel?

So the "Jew" Apollos was reading from the scriptures regarding the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John the Baptist's, thus not a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ before Aquila & Priscilla came along and showed him the way of God more perfectly in the scriptures for how Apollos became a believer and thus no longer a "Jew" & no longer a disciple of John the Baptist's for why he was preaching about Jesus Christ afterwards.

 

[Fred]

You are reading from the Book of Acts and so what is Apollos reading about from the Old Testament when the name of Jesus is not found anywhere in the Old Testament other than Emmanuel?

Apollos, spoke accurately what John the Baptist taught.
One of those things John taught is that Jesus is the Christ.

I don't know why this is so hard to get through your head.

 

[ChristB4us]

Apollos, spoke accurately what John the Baptist taught.
One of those things John taught is that Jesus is the Christ.

John the Baptist did not know that Jesus was the Christ until He came. If John knew that Jesus was the Christ, then why baptize in his own name and not the Lord Jesus Christ's?

Matthew 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.

5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,

6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Then came Jesus.

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

AND even after that, John the Baptist had doubted if Jesus was the One for why he had sent his own disciples to inquire.

Matthew 11:1And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.

2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,

3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?

4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:

5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

I don't know why this is so hard to get through your head.

From my viewpoint, you are stuck because of that errant reading in Acts 18:24-28 as if Apollos was preaching about Jesus Christ from the scriptures being still a Jew as he only knew the water baptism of John the Baptist's when Apollos was talking about the Lord in general as john the Baptist was in preparing the way for until He came.

 

[Fred]

John the Baptist did not know that Jesus was the Christ until He came. If John knew that Jesus was the Christ, then why baptize in his own name and not the Lord Jesus Christ's?

No proof that John the Baptist baptized in his own name.

 

[ChristB4us]

No proof that John the Baptist baptized in his own name.

You quoted a reference proving that.

Acts 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

There are 3 kinds of disciples as testified by scriptures in the OP but since you keep sidestepping as if some kind of newbie in this conversation, I cannot make you see in spite of what appears to be willful blindness on your part, & so I shall leave you to God.

 

[Fred]

You quoted a reference proving that.

Acts 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

This doesn't mean they were baptized in the name of John.

 

[ChristB4us]

This doesn't mean they were baptized in the name of John.

Remember the OP ?

To understand what Luke was meaning by using the term "certain disciples" that Paul came across, we should keep in mind that there are 3 kinds of disciples in Jesus's days; the disciples of the Pharisees, the disciples of John the Baptist's, and the disciples of Jesus Christ.

Luke 5:33 And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink

 

[Fred]

Remember the OP ?

Yeah.

Now you can prove that they were baptized in the name of John.

Stop dodging. You're dodging because you are unable to defend your outlandish doctrine.