No repentance for God is by our own will power alone

[Mr GLee]

Unto we repent to do His commandment, He gives us no faith to do it.

Unless he gives us (the powerless, no faith}, The power of His faith or called a labor of Love. Christians would have no ears to give us His spiritual understanding..The unseen things of God. . . . no power to repent

Revelation 2 is a good commentary on the work of repenting . God lovingly commanded some to do the first works. "believe God" as he gives us the understanding of faith to hear and the power to carry it out. Both to will and to do His god pleasure

Revelation 2: 1-7King James Version Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God

Two turning. Him giving us ears to hear to turn us to Him and us empowers to believe . After forgiven returning to our first love (believe God) comforte by ur Holy Father he feels the reproach of his youth hoping to put away the childish things.

Jeremiah 31:18-19 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God. Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.

 

[Ghada]

Once again:

The way you view repentance is man exalting himself.

And the way you reason in a debate is man debasing himself.

 

[Ghada]

It was never Gods will for them to repent, it was His Will that they continue disobedient and fit themselves as He is fitting them for destruction

The only God never willing for any man to repent, is the god of this world.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

While I appreciate you openly and honestly preaching another God of this world, than the true God of the Bible, you are still doing so. Which is fine by me, because I'm not hear to convert anyone to my Lord and God, but only show when and if His word differs with others like you.

While God is not now willing some reprobates to repent, that does not mean He was never willing for them to repent, nor does it mean He is now willing anyone to sin and trespass unto death. That doctrine of another God is contrary to the written words of my God.

The true God is not the Author and Finisher of any sinner unto the destruction.

 

[Ghada]

It was never Gods will for them to repent, it was His Will that they continue disobedient and fit themselves as He is fitting them for destruction

Your gospel of predetermined choosing in the beginning, whether to life or to death, is the god of this world's accusation against the true God of the Bible and His will.

And he shall speak great words against the most High.

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

The gospel of believing to be prechosen, like the Word in the beginning, to be a predetermined lamb of God, like the Lamb on earth, is by the pride of Lucifer. He was first to declare himself in the beginning, that he would like the Son of God.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:

It's the same pride of Lucifer to believe we were prechosen to be conceived in our own greatness, and so made greater than other dumb babes and men coming into the world.

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

No doubt the angels of God also worshipped all your God's prechosen, when they were majestically brought forth into the world.

There was only one man specially chosen and prophesied from the foundation of the world to be the lamb of God. And that is only God the Word Himself.

There aren't other men and women so chosen and prophesied by God in the beginning, to be lambs of God, as though they too were gods with God in the beginning.

There are no other gods, that were prophesied words with God, and chosen by God in the beginning to be His premier lambs on earth today.

Like Lucifer, any heart lifted up in such pride, is caste down to earth to be made lower than other men, that don't think to be as prechosen gods themselves.

I am not a prechosen and prophesied lamb of God, coming into the world already specially called to God's service, while others are specially called and willed by my God to serve the devil.

And I certainly don't ever want to lift myself up above the other stars like Lucifer, to be one in my own proud heart.

I reject any gospel offer to think more highly of myself than I ought, and to despise others that I ought not.

Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men higher than that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

 

[brightfame52]

And the way you reason in a debate is man debasing himself.

Exalting man is prideful, 2 Thess 2:4

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[brightfame52]

Your gospel of predetermined choosing in the beginning, whether to life or to death, is the god of this world's accusation against the true God of the Bible and His will.

And he shall speak great words against the most High.

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

The gospel of believing to be prechosen, like the Word in the beginning, to be a predetermined lamb of God, like the Lamb on earth, is by the pride of Lucifer. He was first to declare himself in the beginning, that he would like the Son of God.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:

It's the same pride of Lucifer to believe we were prechosen to be conceived in our own greatness, and so made greater than other dumb babes and men coming into the world.

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

No doubt the angels of God also worshipped all your God's prechosen, when they were majestically brought forth into the world.

There was only one man specially chosen and prophesied from the foundation of the world to be the lamb of God. And that is only God the Word Himself.

There aren't other men and women so chosen and prophesied by God in the beginning, to be lambs of God, as though they too were gods with God in the beginning.

There are no other gods, that were prophesied words with God, and chosen by God in the beginning to be His premier lambs on earth today.

Like Lucifer, any heart lifted up in such pride, is caste down to earth to be made lower than other men, that don't think to be as prechosen gods themselves.

I am not a prechosen and prophesied lamb of God, coming into the world already specially called to God's service, while others are specially called and willed by my God to serve the devil.

And I certainly don't ever want to lift myself up above the other stars like Lucifer, to be one in my own proud heart.

I reject any gospel offer to think more highly of myself than I ought, and to despise others that I ought not.

Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men higher than that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

God doesnt command the vessels of wrath to repent, they have been created, made for His Day of Wrath

 

[Ghada]

I see that you're one of those that only talk around the points of others, rather than show ay error in them. Instead you just go on with your own litany of points. That's fine.

You just keep preaching your own gospel bases. and I'll observe and show any reasons why I see error in it.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 Jn 1:8–10.

Yes, this another base of yours, but it's nothing knew to me.

Your gospel commands you to always have sin and say so. By demanding you always say so, you are thus obeying a commandment to always be sinning, so that you can say so rightly.

The god of this world commands all men everywhere to always say they have sin, which is thus commanding all men everywhere not to repent of all sinning, but to continue sin more or less.

The true God commands all men not to repent of all sinning for Jesus' sake, so as to have a whole new heart and life without sin in His dear Son's kingdom.

Only those sinning can rightly say they have sin, and only those not sinning can justly say they have no sin. And it's only those repented of sinning, that have no sin in Christ Jesus, in whom is no sin nor sinning.

1 John 1 is God exposing the decieved Christians saying they are walking in the light, while walking in darkness. As well saying they have no sin, while still sinning in unrepentance.

However, there are some who preach your kind of gospel, who say they are no more condemned while sinning. Which of course is saying they have no sin while sinning, because where no condemnation for sin is, there is no sin.

It's the gospel that says they have no sin condemned, while sinning.

Once again, only the god of this world has no condemnation for sinning.

The only true God and Christ Jesus condemns all sinning as of the devil, without respect of persons.

The Son does not come to condemn sinners for sinning, but to save us from our sinning.

She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

However, them that continue sinning despite the Spirit of Christ, are still condemned of themselves.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

[Ghada]

The difference between the sorrows is one has the Holy Spirit, the other doesn't. It doesn't need to do any more "working." It's still death, has always been death, and one cannot add any more death to it.

You probably need to rephrase this. You appear to be saying someone can have the Spirit of life and death in the soul at the same time.

Although, that is certainly akin to walking in the light and the darkness at the same time, as well as having no sin to condemn, while sinning.

But, if you are saying that you can have the Holy Spirit, with the death of sin and dead by sinning, and also have His sorrow to repent from within, and not from without as some other unrepented sinner, then by Jove! you have just given a new twist to your gospel of saved now, repent later. Congratulations and thank you.

You have two new twists. One is refreshing honesty, and the other is doctrinal.

First you appear to have the honesty of teach you have both the death of sinning, and the life of the Spirit. Others say the same thing, but not plainly. And even get offended when repeated back to them without all their fancy fluff to cover it.

You also teach having the godly sorrow of the Spirit within, while sinning and not yet repenting. That actually makes perfect sense in a deep and dark sort of way.

To the unrepented sinner that believes he also has God dwelling in him, it would be only logical to assume he also has God's sorrow to repent within, while still unrepentant and sinning without.

This is the open gospel of respect of persons, based solely upon believing something different about themselves, while doing the same things as others, that they try to distance themselves from. The works are the same outwardly, but the person isn't the same inwardly.

Saved by faith alone, and not with works worthy of repentance.

It's the gospel preaching for special persons, that are not specially different in their own sinning from other sinful persons. They are only special and different doctrinally, by declaring they themselves (unlike others sinning like themselves), have God and the Spirit's convicting sorrow from within.

The other's less special than themselves (solely because they don't believe like them), have neither the Spirit nor the sorrow for sinning from within, but only from without.

They have sin and death within, and only conviction of the Spirit without. You do have sin and death within as they, but also have the Spirit of conviction and sorrow within.

And so we see the only real difference is one of belief, and it is true that such 'unbelieving' unrepented sinners, do not believe as you do, because they are not delusional about having and being sinners like all the world, but unlike the rest of the world also have the true God dwelling and sorrowing within them.

You preach a God dwelling with the sorrow of death within, not the God of dwelling richly full of life and light within.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

This is also a brilliant twist on 'hating' sin, while sinning. We not only hate, but also sorrow while sinning. It's the hate and sorrow of the world for continued sinning, not the hate and godly sorrow of repenting of sinning and not doing it.

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Godly hating is from the heart not to do evil, even as godly love is to do righteousness from the heart.

You however teach being anointed with an oil of gladness by hating sin in the mind only, while lusting and doing unrighteousness from the heart.
That snake oil makes you glad to think you are different from other 'unbelieving' workers of iniquity, solely by believing you personally have the Spirit (unlike them less special unbelievers), by naming the name of Christ alone, while departing not from all iniquity.

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

And departing from all iniquity for Jesus' sake, is not 'gradually' in works of our own choosing and time.

God's repentance is godly sorrow is to repent of all sinning now. All other repenting and sorrow is of the world, continuing in the death of unrepented sin without God and the life of Christ.

And all so such doctrine preaching having such life and light without God's repentance for Jesus' sake, ends with such life and light of the world in the grave.

And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

For there is no respect of persons with God.

 

[Ghada]

Repentance can be done by believers and unbelievers. One is with the Holy Spirit, the other isn't.

So then, you do teach the gospel of walking in darkness with light, and sinning in death with life. I wasn't unjustly imputing such great darkness to you after all.

Unrepented sinners can be both believers and unbelievers. One has the Spirit (sorrowfully so), and the other doesn't.

And except for the latter part, it's perfectly true. Both believers and unbelievers can be unrepented sinners, but only the obedient repented believers in Jesus Christ, also have His Spirit.

However, when it comes to believing alone, all unrepented sinners are believers in something, even the ones that say they don't believe in anything. There are believers in doing good and believers in doing evil.

But, like having faith alone, believing in doing good alone is dead and vain toward salvation of God. Especially while still doing evil.

Only the doers of the good word of truth, are born and justified by Christ.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that is doing the will of my Father which is in heaven.

For every one that is doing evil is hating the light, neither is coming to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

But he that is doing truth is coming to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The hate and sorrow for unrepented sinning you preach (as from within), is not that of Christ's godly sorrow, but is that of the world that hates being convicted and being made sorry for sinning against God, without repentance.

The true light is not shining in any unrepented sinner (as you say by believing it alone), to only make us sorry about sinning in the mind, but not yet to repenting from the heart.

The true light and conviction of the Spirit only shines toward them sinning, unto repentance. And all the convicted, yet unrepented sinners, hate it. Without respect of persons...

The true light of Christ only shines within the repented sons of God, not now sinning in Christ Jesus. His light does not shine within His own body, to find and convict and make sorry, some 'members' doing evil against His own Spirit and blood.

But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinning, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Christ does not justify any sinner found sinning. He does not minister sin to His own body, nor does He shine His light within His own body to find sinners sinning.

That light of Christ only shines outside His body to sinners of the world unto godly repentance for His sake, which is the only repentance unto God's salvation from sinning.

Conclusion: the lie of having the true light shining within unrepented sinners to convict of sinning, is the same delusion of walking in the light while walking in darkness, and having no sin to condemn while sinning.

And it has nothing to do with respect of persons 'beleiving' that lie or not.

You are boldly and have added new twists, but you are only still preaching salvation unto repentance for hearers only, that now believe with the mind in the truth, but are not doing the truth from the heart.

 

[Ghada]

The 'ordo salutis' is what...

I have no idea.

If Israel is in covenant - and they are -

If it's this for natural Israel after the flesh, then it's man's 'ordo sa-whatever', not God's.

Romans 11 is not about natural Jews still being the people of God, but is only about how natural Jews can still be saved and grated in against to the Israel of God. Which is the holy nation and people and body of the risen God of Israel Jesus Christ.

then they are "kept" until faith should appear. And He did.

They are kept from sinning unto death by mercy and longsuffering of God, which is the same for all unrepented sinners.

But if any man repent not and continuing sinning unto the grave, they are then kept in chains of darkness with the sinning angels, unto the resurrection of the wicked and judgement unto shame and contempt forever.

The repented Israel of God in body of Christ keep ourselves from our old sinning, to be resurrected and judged unto life. Which is by works of His righteousness, that we are now doing through His new pure heart and life of faith.

This is the gospel of repentance with godly sorrow unto salvation and life from the Bible, that I preach. Not that gospel of yours, to be saved by believing it alone, unto unrepentance with ongoing sorrow of the world.

 

[Ghada]

The Holy Spirit. It's hard to try to have an order of salvation because salvation is instantaneous.

Now this is very instructive. What's so hard about repeating God's own words on paper? I mean, even if one doesn't believe it, that doesn't mean one can't just copy it. What's so hard about at least being accurate about the order of the words?

It's only hard when not wanting to have God's order as written. His order of repentance and salvation is always in the order of repent to be converted, forgiven, and saved.

However, we see here it's not just hard but impossible to have His order, while hardening the heart to believe another order of one's own gospel. This of course is why God's order never preached, with an excuse of it by saying it's just too hard. To do what? Just repeat it as written.

This is another great case in point of how the Book of God is more abused than any other book on earth. No other book and author is so insulted by people first trying to change the words of the book, and then adding insult to injury by declaring that's what the author 'really means' to say.

All books of man are read and repeated accurately, in order to then give a verdict of believing it or not. But not God's Book.

And so, with this in mind, we see how you claim the Author is teaching instantaneous salvation, with only gradual repentance at your convenience. Which of course is opposite of what the Author actually says in His Book.

And by preaching your own casual repentance, you only give lip-service to the Author's gospel of having instantaneously complete repentance and salvation at the same time.

You're simply authoring your own book for your own gospel plan of complete salvation unto partial repentance. All such books and authoring of men ends in the grave.

Maybe millisecond. In that millisecond the person is saved, faith is imparted, repentance is forthcoming...

As I said, your own authorship and gospel book.

The Reformed order of salvation is election, predestination, atonement, calling, regeneration, conversion, justification, sanctification, glorification...

As I said, at least your more openly bold about changing the Book of God, than the slithering snakes.

Your changed order here, is omitting the first order of Jesus' reformation: Repentance, election, predestination, calling...

 

[Ghada]

I see it as contemplation, election, predestination, atonement, calling, regeneration, conversion, justification, sanctification...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That's so sweet of you! Seriously! I can enjoy good old fashioned intellectualized sophistry when I see it, just like any one else acquainted with such stuff. It's certainly one for the record books.

'Contemplative' repentance! Beautiful. I like it. You are truly proving to be a fount of bitter water appearing sweet.

I like you. I really do. You actually put some real thought and subtlety into your stuff. You're not just your average bear author of your own gospel.

Contemplating whether to repent or not. The convenience of contemplation, without the 'necessity' of repenting.

Instead of repenting with the mind only, you call it 'contemplative' repentance, like it were righteously 'meditated'.

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: contemplate ye, and believe the gospel.

Contemplate ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye contemplate, ye shall all likewise perish.

For godly sorrow worketh contemplation unto salvation not to be repented of.

Oops. Sorry. I'm sure you would rather work salvation unto contemplation, so as to avoid any hint of man commanded by god to do something by obedience, to be saved by God.

 

[Ghada]

Although not exhaustive in both entries when that millisecond is over a new man is born.
But it takes a moment to recover from the experience.

I finally can partly agree with you. Repentance from all dead works with saving faith toward God, is exhaustive.

However, your issue with that moment in time, does lead to the difference between being instantly repented and saved in a moment without works, with the new good works following. Which work includes the good fight by the Spirit to maintain good works, through all temptation and tribulation of this life.

(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

We see here, that the election of God is for the babes, that the election might be by God without works. The election is for the new babes of God (having done neither good nor evil), by repenting from all dead works for His sake, and now having a whole new heart and life elected by promise of Christ's NT.

Even as it was with the babes of Rebecca's womb, so it is in that moment of all babes newly born by the promised in the bosom of the Father: Without works doing neither good nor evil.

And that difference of momentary newborn sonship (that is at one moment being without works of good or evil before God), is ensured by Satan to be but moments away from seeking to undo our repentance and God's good work of the Spirit, by tempting with lust.

And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

The newborn babe in Christ Jesus does indeed have a moment of real time in this world, just as every babe born into the world, where all things of heart and life are pure and of God doing no works as yet. However, unlike babes for months in the womb, we must immediately learn to resist the devil and take no thought for his to sin by lust.

Jesus learned it from His youth upward through the cross, and we must learn it from our own youth in Christ upward unto our own good end.

Those who don't learn to fight that good fight of faith, to only do good, but also do evil, bastardize their sonship from God, even as every man coming into the world that sins against God.

Adam was the first man and son of God,

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

And he was the first man and son to bastardize himself unto death to God, by sinning with the devil against God.

Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God and man not to sin on earth, and the repented begotten again sons of God, are the only ones on earth continuing to sin not against the Son and the Father.

And as with Adam, there are begotten again sons making themselves bastards from God, to return to be the children of disobedience.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

[Ghada]

And what kind of "worldly sorrow did David have when confronted of his sin by Nathan?

None, of course, because he did confess from the heart and repent at once, which is the Bible definition of godly sorrow. And he did so by the Spirit of Christ:

Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

The worldly sorrow you preach for yourself, is being sorry about sinning, but not now repenting. It leaves the sorry sinner still dead in the same old unrepented sinning.

Since the Holy Spirit had not arrived it was all worldly sorrow,

Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

The Spirit of Christ never left the world, and was even in some men in the world, beginning with Adam, who was the first born son of God by the Spirit.

The Spirit had not yet been poured upon all flesh at the resurrection of Christ, nor had any man yet been begotten again by His resurrection from the dead.

But God's conviction by the Spirit unto godly sorrow was even toward Cain. He was the one, unlike David, that had the sorrow of the world you preach He was only sullen and sorry about being convicted, and refused to repent.

Without the Spirit in the world convicting men that sinned, men like David, unlike Cain, would never have confessed of sinning by God's conviction, and repented with the heart from sinning with His godly sorrow.

Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

If you were to actually believe the Bible words as written, and their definition of such things as godly sorrow, vs that of the world, you wouldn't be asking such contradictory questions. Nor would you be making even more errors about the Bible and the Spirit of Christ in the world, before being poured out upon all flesh around the world.

Nor would you be trying to define David's godly sorrow as your 'worldly sorrow'.

Your question literally attempts to place your definition of the world's sorrow with death, as that applying to God's people. Which, hey, it strikes me that is exactly what you attempt to do here for yourself, as well as all other unrepented Christians like you.

You are trying to make the David of the Bible, to have done as you do today: Despising the Spirit of grace's conviction unto repentance, and being only sorry about it without repentance.

David confessed and repented at once, by the Spirit of Christ.

the kind you say working death.

The kind God says working death. Remember, I repeat God's words from the Bible, you repeat your own as though being God's words from your own book.

I acknowledge you have a skill and genius for it, as well as boldly going where no man ought to go. But still a subtilly skillful mishandling of the Bible's words.

Now, if you would just repent of changing the words of the Author, and only copy and repeat them to agree or disagree with them, then you would be even more honest about when you do not believe Him.

And that may even lead to doing His words as written and also repent of all your sinning for Jesus' sake, to become born sons of God with power to maintain doing good through Christ, and sin not in Christ Jesus.

Everyone knows these are the words of salvation and life in the Bible, because they are the words themselves. And so, no one has ever even bothered trying to show any difference between the words in the Bible, and as I write them here.

As in your case. You just go on to repeat your own words around mine, and even try to change my words to fit yours. The Bible don't change for you, and neither do I. I love the Bible way more than your book.

 

[Ghada]

God doesnt command the vessels of wrath to repent, they have been created, made for His Day of Wrath

I don't argue with created christ believers, nor believers of a christ creating creatures for his wrath.

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise.

Your christ is the god creating his own children of disobedience in his own image. And your prophecy of him is full of yourself. I have nothing to do with your children of the devil creator and maker, nor your 'born before the dawn of ages' prechosen self-lambship

My Christ is only from the Bible, and He creates all things good for His good pleasure, and lightens every man coming into the world.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Nor does He take any pleasure in the death of the wicked, by creating them for that purpose

For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
Yours however is a an entirely different christ of your own altogether.

Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

 

[Ghada]

It must be our repentance.

Exactly. It is our repentance, because it's our sinning.

It's not sinful man's own will to repent, when it God is the One commanding us to repent.
Nor is it by our own will in our own good time, but by the commanded will of God to do so at His time, which is always now, not later.

So long as we are sinning, and not repenting now, we are not allowing the conviction of God to move us to repent.

Some call it waiting for 'overwhelming' conviction by grace, but God calls it despising His Spirit of grace and testing His longsuffering mercy to convict us to repentance.

And so, we see the repentance of God is specific to God, and not the same as the world:
1. It is by commandment of God, not by our own will.
2. It is now, not later in our own good time.
3. It is of all sinning, not just our own choosing of what and when.

Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

God can't repent for us.

Exactly again. It always startles me when some unrepented Christian teach things, that is supposed to end in God and Jesus repenting for us, as though they did our sinning.

This is done one way by speaking of Jesus become our sin on the cross, as though He took on Him our sinning. That's not what His sin bearing was, and we know He did not take on our sinning for Himself, because He never had nor knew sin unto death on the cross.

Jesus the Lamb of God bore the unrighteous sins and injustices done to Him. He gave His back to the smiters and His hands and feet to the crucifiers. And He bore man's sinning against Him like the Son of the Father, without sinning Himself, and reviling them that were reviling Him.

What God did was then lay the blame for those sins done to Him, upon all men that have sinned. So that all men are made guilty of His death, and in need of forgiveness for it, and not just the ones who had physical hands in it.

This way all men that sin, are concluded in sin unto the death of God's Son, so that all men must repent of our own personal sinning for His sake, lest we too be destroyed with His destroyers.

It is indeed the Holy Spirit that shows us our real condition and the sinfulness of sin.

Yes. He is now poured upon all flesh to convict all men of our sinning. Which is His mercy to lead us to repentance.

It is Christ's eye salve that lets us see, but then we must repent of what we see

Yes, if we repent of our sinning for His sake, He opens our lives to His light of purity and holiness, after having been decieved in the darkness of sinful living.

if we are truly sorry and repentant.

Which is godly sorrow unto repentance and salvation.

The sorrow of the world is being sorry about sinning, but is still death, because it resists the conviction of the Holy Spirit and repents not.

Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
The gospel of repent for Jesus' sake unto salvaton from sinning, is the gospel and light, that the unrepented sinners hate.
The gospel of just believing in being saved, with some measure of repenting at one's own will and pace, is made specially for unrepented sinners, wanting to believe in salvation without repentance.
That by nature doesn't offend unrepented sinners. It's mocked by honest sinners of the world, and condemned by honestly repented saints, but it doesn't offend the devil at all.

What odes the devil care if some of his sins are repented of? So long as all his sinning is not rejected outright. With much or little sinning with the devil, it's still his children doing it, and not God's sons
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Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

Men can indeed have glory in their own amount of repentance, and can even be glorying by teaching it to others. Nut not with God nor His wholly righteous sons.

 

[Ghada]

Everywhere? You mean non-covenant Gentiles, too?

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Well, actually the Bible says every where. But that's just translation. The meaning is the same.

Let's put it in perspective.

No, let's not.

This is the thing about people writing their own books. They don't want to just say they don't believe God is saying every where, or everywhere. So, they get all scholarly to change it to their own liking, rather than just say it.

The covenants are either Hebrew or Jewish. Messiah was prophesied in covenant with prophecies accompanying in peripheral describing things about His so Israel may identify Him. When He came He came to Israel, not Gentiles. He was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. He dispatched His disciples to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Messiah taught Israel in their Law and ministered to His Chosen people Israel. The
Hebrew Scriptures and the New Covenant Scriptures from Matthew to Revelation are all Jewish, Messiah died for His Church and Bride who is Israel, Christ ascended in front of eleven Jewish disciples, and ten short days later the New Covenant began and 3000 Jews were born=again. Days later thousands more Jews became born-again and the New Covenant was on its way and savings Jews left and right. Before Christ returns He sends two Jewish prophets to Israel, and they prophesy to Israel things pertaining to Israel. Gentiles kill them. God raises them up - all the way up to heaven and judgment falls upon those murderous Gentiles and Christ prepares to return to Israel His Chosen Church and Bride. And somewhere in all that covenant with Israel God has established you thin k the command to "repent and believe the gospel and to repent" is made to everyone in the world? Well, there's no precedence in the OT. When Joshua was killing every man, woman, child, teen, infant, baby in the womb, did God call those Canaanites to repent and believe the gospel?
When Christ returns and is destroying everyone not covenant is He calling on men everywhere to repent and believe the gospel?
With God it's an Us versus Them mentality with God - and after gathering all nations against Israel (Zech. 14) - He destroys them all.
Any call for men everywhere to repent must be taken in context to whom God is speaking to and He is speaking to Israel,

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
God is still commanding all men every where (everywhere) to repent. And God's Christian preachers preach it all men every where (everywhere).

Sounds like how it went down under the Law.

Under the law of Moses to children of Israel only.

Under the law of Christ to all men every where (everywhere), to be the Israel of God.

No, the context are the elect, the people to whom Pete is writing to:

The context is of men, to which Peter was a man, who also needed longsuffering from the Lord to repent.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any [of us-ward] should perish, but that all [of us-ward] should come to repentance. 2 Pete 3:9.

Repeating your book's writings is not effective with me. I only repeat God's Book.

All all of the us-ward shall come to repentance in His time since it is God that grants repentance as God and King nothing happens in the universe unless the God-King grants it. It's called Sovereignty.

And repeating the teaching of your book, after I have responded to it, is redundant to me. (Especially since you don't so much as acknowledge the responses.)

SIMON Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ
2 Pete 1:1.

See that? Writing to the elect, those "us-wards" that shall repent at God's appointed time.

You will repent in your own time at your own pleasure for your own religion.

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Romans 3:1

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
See that? Writing about the Jews, and then those all men every where(everywhere), that come short of the glory of God, and need to repent.

Context. Everyman is in context to the group of people God is writing to, specifically, to His Chosen people. THEY are the everyman He refers to.

All men every where (everywhere), not just the Athenians.

When you unmoor Biblical Christianity from its Jewish foundation and roots you end up in the Twilight Zone.

When you change the Bible words from what's written, you end up in your own zone.

I think the heretic Marcion tried doing that and was shot down.

Marcion I don't know, but you I do.

I don't shoot you down, but just reject your stuff.

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

And I know it goes both ways. I am every bit as much a heretic to you, as you are to me. It is the God of the Bible that judges who is a heretic to His Book.

 

[Ghada]

God lovingly commanded some to do the first works.

Why do Christians talk like this?

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

God' is not big white puffy cloud in sky. Nor feathery dove bird in air.

God's commandment to repent is do it or die.

After forgiven returning to our first love (believe God)

The first love is with the first works. Resisting the lust of the devil to sin not with the flesh.

The Ephesians were becoming outwardly righteous Pharisees, with inward lust of the word.

We can live our religion without blame, while lusting with the world without doing it outwardly.

 

[Runningman]

repentance for God is by our own will power alone​

That's correct. God wills all come to repentance and then all don't come to repentance. The common denominator is that some choose to repent and others don't.

2 Peter 3
9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I see that you're one of those that only talk around the points of others, rather than show ay error in them. Instead you just go on with your own litany of points. That's fine.
You just keep preaching your own gospel bases. and I'll observe and show any reasons why I see error in it.
Yes, this another base of yours, but it's nothing knew to me.

I talk around points?
Give me an example.

Your gospel commands you to always have sin and say so. By demanding you always say so, you are thus obeying a commandment to always be sinning, so that you can say so rightly.

Example please.

The god of this world commands all men everywhere to always say they have sin, which is thus commanding all men everywhere not to repent of all sinning, but to continue sin more or less.

That depends on perspective.
From God's eternal perspective I am holy, sinless, righteous.
From man's perspective in time I am a sinner saved by the grace of God.
I am going to sin later, tomorrow, and most likely the next day, but God sees me as holy, sinless, righteous.
After all, if death is the penalty for sin why do we have cemeteries? And why are there true-born-again of God Christians buried in those cemeteries. I mean, come on...how will God and His Christ resurrect the physically dead if there is no more sin which leads to no more death and no more cemeteries. Explain that.

The true God commands all men not to repent of all sinning for Jesus' sake, so as to have a whole new heart and life without sin in His dear Son's kingdom.

No, but as born-again believers we have an Advocate before God in heaven and a Comforter here on earth that never leaves nor forsakes us.
If we were without sin then this passage is a lie:

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. Gal. 5:17.

If that's not enough there is this guy who demonstrates it in a personal way:

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? Rom.7:14–24.

Only those sinning can rightly say they have sin, and only those not sinning can justly say they have no sin. And it's only those repented of sinning, that have no sin in Christ Jesus, in whom is no sin nor sinning.

To conquer sin is to conquer death. Tell me, in this present life are you going to live forever in your present condition, or does some kind of heavenly change must take place before you can accomplish that?

1 John 1 is God exposing the decieved Christians saying they are walking in the light, while walking in darkness. As well saying they have no sin, while still sinning in unrepentance.
However, there are some who preach your kind of gospel, who say they are no more condemned while sinning. Which of course is saying they have no sin while sinning, because where no condemnation for sin is, there is no sin.

Sorry, but I hold to Scripture which teaches me there are two perspectives to observe when studying Scripture and 1 John is describing both perspectives. You just fail to make distinction and only see what you want to see. Sounds cultish to me. What denomination do you belong to?

It's the gospel that says they have no sin condemned, while sinning.

That's why some of us whose names are in the book of life of the lamb slain need a Savior.

Once again, only the god of this world has no condemnation for sinning.

The god of this world is man. The angels that sinned are locked up. That means all I have to concern myself with is me, myself, and I, and other sinners, too.

The only true God and Christ Jesus condemns all sinning as of the devil, without respect of persons.

That was before the cross. After the sin of the elect has been atoned there is therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ. Who are you in?

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom. 8:1.

The Son does not come to condemn sinners for sinning, but to save us from our sinning.

That's been done. I'm saved. But I'm still in this body of this death. Death is the penalty for sin. God said that: The soul that sinneth shall die.
So here's the $20,000 question:
a.) Christ atoned for the sin of God's elect on His cross at Calvary. The debt of my sin has been paid for by my substitute on the cross.
b.) One day I will die because the penalty for sin is death.
how can I die if my sin has been paid for by Christ?
What's the answer, Ol' Wise One?

She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

True. He didn't condemn her. Now what?

However, them that continue sinning despite the Spirit of Christ, are still condemned of themselves.

Not true. There is something called "conviction." When I sin and recognize my sin I "feel" conviction for that sin that I have sinned. Then the Holy Spirit assists me in my prayer in my asking the Father to forgive me and the confidence thereafter through the Spirit confirming within me I am still a child of God. Then, I pick myself up, wipe my tears, mop the floor, and place my shirt in the electric dryer to dry. Maybe wash it.
Then I walk away knowing I am a conqueror. Thanks to His victory made on His cross.
Does this happen to you?

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Christ is speaking about those ALREADY CONDEMNED:

19 And this is the condemnation, that light [CHRIST] is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light [CHRIST], because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [CHRIST], neither cometh to the light [CHRIST], lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light [CHRIST], that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Jn. 3:19–21.

Despite your misrepresentation of me and your misrepresentation and misunderstanding of the Holy Word of God I'm the guy that loves the light, goes directly to the light, doesn't pass GO nor collect $200, and that's the truth I do.

What about you? Are you "ALREADY CONDENED" or are you one who sins, recognizes your sin and go to the Father crying "ABBA FATHER"?
And I emphasize the word "CRYING."

What sayeth ye?