The Baptism of John

[BillyBob65]

I am sorry for the double messed up post apparently I got in a hurry and didn't see the errors before submitting and in effort to edit messed it up even more so sorry hope you all can forgive me.

 

[Arial]

How does the baptism that Christ is to baptize with become t"he insufficiency of Christ."

If it takes water baptism to remit sins the work of Christ on the cross was insufficient.

He said he was told 16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. so that was most likely when he also received the holy ghost per Acts 2:38

If you are satisfied with "most likely" so be it. It means nothing to me. Frankly, I am bored with the receptiveness of your posts. Maybe try a different thread and topic for a change?

 

[Arial]

I have show other scriptures that support it is FOR the remission of sin the washing away of sin the calling on the name of the Lord but in all the biblical proof some still try to say that is not what it means even thought that is what was recorded because we can not make that fit our teaching of faith alone.

Think about what your carelessness in handling the word of God and then teaching from that carelessness means for people who are genuine believers but have not had the opportunity to be formally baptized. My mother came to Christ very late in life and was unable to physically endure baptism. Your view says it made no difference that she believed in Christ, her sins had not been remitted.

I, myself, was a believer for a number of years before baptism became an option. Your view says it made no difference that I belonged to Christ through faith. I was still a child of hell bearing the weight of my sins on my own shoulders.

Have a little sensibility!

 

[CrowCross]

In Acts 9 it doesn't say he received the spirit at the same time he received his sight

It's pretty much implied. Why doesn't the bible say Ananias failed when he laid hands on Paul? Why even mention it?

In fact Paul was saved when he was talking to Jesus.

 

[BillyBob65]

If it takes water baptism to remit sins the work of Christ on the cross was insufficient.

If you are satisfied with "most likely" so be it. It means nothing to me. Frankly, I am bored with the receptiveness of your posts. Maybe try a different thread and topic for a change?

Look at the story of Naaman he was told to dip seven times in the Jordan river in order to be relieved of leprosy and thought it was not the way but he did not get the healing until he submitted to what God commanded. Was it the water that healed him? No it was the submission to Gods will the water was only the vessel God chose to work through.

I am more than sure it was when he received the spirit and have shown many scripture to support it but you refuse to let the scriptures show you the truth. I just am not trying to be so blunt but trying to get you to consider the scriptures which speak of this and let you come to the truth with the spirits help'

 

[BillyBob65]

It's pretty much implied. Why doesn't the bible say Ananias failed when he laid hands on Paul? Why even mention it?

In fact Paul was saved when he was talking to Jesus.

See this is blatant miss use of scripture no where in the 2 rendering of this story does it ever say that Paul was saved when he meet Jesus on the road. All scriptures in both readings of this story say that Jesus sent Paul to Ananias to be told what he needs to do. Paul as everyone else had to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and Paul says it was to wash away his sin. You are not arguing with me but with the divine word of God.

 

[BillyBob65]

Think about what your carelessness in handling the word of God and then teaching from that carelessness means for people who are genuine believers but have not had the opportunity to be formally baptized. My mother came to Christ very late in life and was unable to physically endure baptism. Your view says it made no difference that she believed in Christ, her sins had not been remitted.

I, myself, was a believer for a number of years before baptism became an option. Your view says it made no difference that I belonged to Christ through faith. I was still a child of hell bearing the weight of my sins on my own shoulders.

Have a little sensibility!

I did not write the scriptures or give them to be recorded I just submit to what has been given so it is not my view but that of our heavenly Farther.
He is also the one to have these words recorded
Mathew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It is my prayer that all come to the truth of Gods will and submit accordingly. I have an obligation to my Farther to correct error of his word to save lives for God does not want any to perish but is a just God and gives all time to study to show thyself approved.

 

[CrowCross]

See this is blatant miss use of scripture no where in the 2 rendering of this story does it ever say that Paul was saved when he meet Jesus on the road. All scriptures in both readings of this story say that Jesus sent Paul to Ananias to be told what he needs to do. Paul as everyone else had to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and Paul says it was to wash away his sin. You are not arguing with me but with the divine word of God.

Your argument is it is water that washes away sin....and not the blood of Christ.

 

[BillyBob65]

Your argument is it is water that washes away sin....and not the blood of Christ.

No that is what you are assigning to me that is a false characterization. I have said over and over it is the blood of Christ that washes away sin water is just the vessel in which God uses to do the transformation.

 

[Arial]

I did not write the scriptures or give them to be recorded I just submit to what has been given so it is not my view but that of our heavenly Farther.

Strange isn't it that no matter how many times others show you from the very same scriptures put within its context, and the many, many times Scripture declares that we are justified through faith (sins remitted) and you are shown these scriptures, you no longer consider that as the view of your heavenly Father? Strange too, that one would consider themselves the sole determiner of truth.

Strangest of all is that it is common logic that not all people are able to be baptized in water for whatever reason and if sins are not remitted until that takes place, the faith of those individuals is null and void (according to you); appalling that anyone claiming union with Christ would be so cold and careless as to as to nonchalantly and arrogantly say, "Too bad for you." and send them off in terror of hell. Shaking their faith to the core.

Mod Hat: You do not know who is lurking and reading and actually believe your false teaching against the Bible doctrine concerning the sufficiency of Christ, because they are new to Christianity and just learning. So do it again and warning points will be issued. We care for the little children even if you don't.

 

[CrowCross]

No that is what you are assigning to me that is a false characterization. I have said over and over it is the blood of Christ that washes away sin water is just the vessel in which God uses to do the transformation.

Can you point out where in the bible it says that water does the transforming?

I found this verse pertaining to transforming ...Romans 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect......but water baptism doesn't seem to be what it is discussing.

I also found this verse about transforming....2 Cor 3;17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit......but once again, water baptism doesn't seem to be what it is discussing.

 

[Arial]

It is my prayer that all come to the truth of Gods will and submit accordingly. I have an obligation to my Farther to correct error of his word to save lives for God does not want any to perish but is a just God and gives all time to study to show thyself approved.

Correcting error is one thing and a good thing. Your error has been corrected over and over, and you have yet to submit to it. The Father's word.

Baptism is good, and yes, it is commanded. But it is commanded as a covenant sign, just as circumcision was commanded under the old covenant as a covenant sign. It is not commanded for the remission of sin. Christ alone remits sin through his substitution and ransom paid to release his people (those God gives him (John 6:37,39,65; John 17:2,6, 9,24; John 19:29; Heb2:13) from the chains that bind them to sin. This work of Christ is applied to those God is giving hm by the Holy Spirit (John 3:5-6; John 1:12-13; Titus 3:5;1 Cor 2:12,14). Until and when that is done there can be no understanding of what we hear concerning Christ (1 Cor 2:14) and without understanding there is no faith. It is the Spirit who gives understanding and faith.

And it is by faith that we are justified before God(Romans 3:28,26; Romans 5:1; 4:5,24; Gal2:16). To be justified before God is a judicial act declaring one righteous. It is a legal verdict, not a process. In this God forgives all sin and credits (imputed) Christ's righteousness to the believer (Romans 8:33; Romans 3:26; Romans 3:8; Gal 2:16).

On imputed righteousness: (Phil 3:9; Romans 4:5-6).
Forgiveness and removal of guilt (Romans 4:7-8).

Justification is God's judicial declaration that a sinner is righteous in his sight solely because of Christ's righteousness imputed to them and received by faith alone as the scriptures declare.

Read the scriptures given and within their context. None include baptism for the remission of sins. If baptism were also necessary for justification, God would say so. So, it is obvious that when doing a topical study only on baptism and therefore being given only a few isolated scriptures removed from the full counsel of God, (that would be everything that God says concerning how one is saved, not just baptism) you have arrived at and then taught with self-given authority, your own wrong conclusion. One ought to be more careful in handling the word of the Holy God.