No repentance for God is by our own will power alone

[jeremiah1five]

So, you acknowledge there is the Bible perspective, and then there is your own perspective. When the Bible doesn't fit with yours, then you just write your own book of perspective.

No, I don't do that. See my signature? Biblical Christian?
That's moi (me.)

I've been making the distinction between the Bible perspective and your perspective this whole time.

No, because of your lack of depth and your lack of knowledge you've been misunderstanding me. I can now see I am at a higher and deeper level of understanding the Scripture. And that's not a boast. Just being factual.

Only seeing and believing the Bible words, is indeed cultish to some. It cuts off all other perspectives.

The Bible is God's Word and the ONLY perspective that matters.
We must ALL see the same Jesus.
We must ALL say the same thing as God.
To do the opposite is to oppose Him,

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
It's called Sola Scriptura, which the Catholics reject by their own perspective.
Here we have a perfect example of how all sense may be cast away, in order to doctrinally justify oneself. It includes historical fact, and not just spiritual error.
Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
Paul the Christian apostle called to the Gentiles was speaking to Athenians from Ares' hill, not Israel nor Israelites.

Are you gonna make me work? sheesh. OK, I'll mtake a look:

Athens at the time was truly a place for all men everywhere, much like all Jews everywhere at Jerusalem on Pentecost.

Ares' hill was the largest public speaking forum of the world. It was the Olympics of all debate about religion, philosophy, sciences, politics, etc...
There were of course some Jews there, but the only ones mentioned as immediately believing the gospel were Athenians.
We see from the above, the proof of what you call perspective.
Your perspective is of having nothing to do with any Bible truth, including recorded history, if it interferes with your 'perspective'.
And that great and grand perspective you trumpet so loudly about yourself, is summed up with declaring yourself holy, sinless, and righteous, while, I am going to sin later, tomorrow, and most likely the next day...

Myself? Now I know you misread and misunderstand my words.

You are definitely a trip, that's for sure.

That's what I've been told.
That's one of the reasons I have no friends.
And that TOO is Biblical.

 

[brightfame52]

I reject your god and creator of sinful children.

You are rejecting this Person right here who spoke this Matt 23

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

 

[jeremiah1five]

If you don't want me to reply to your replies to me, then don't reply to me.
You're acting strange.

Trying to be funny, tongue-in-cheek but seems I failed. We've been going at it consistently and I thought the acquaintance was enough to make a funny. That's all.
Back to being serious...

That's the problem with your heart. It's not only full of lust, but it doesn't want to admit it.

Are you implying my attempt at funny, and this comment is that you are female, and I was trying to flirt?

As they say, many people miss God, because they only think with their brain, not with their heart.

The proverbial heart doesn't think. All it does is pump blood, and in the Old Testament when "heart" is mentioned does not mean anything except its inference to that of the whole being of a person. Just as "soul" refers to the whole being of a person. It got carried over into the New Covenant Scriptures and misunderstanding took it from there to the idea that Jesus lives in a person's "heart" (organ), etc. but Jesus doesn't live in anyone's proverbial "heart (organ) and "the "heart" doesn't think. God gave that function to the brain. The "heart" is created and ordained by God to pump blood. But in the Old Testament the fact that emotions are "felt" in the center of a person in the same area as the heart that beats it took on the concept that "heart" was something other than an organ that pumps blood - like the way you're understanding it. The mind of a man is the spirit of man in him. It's how man is created in the image of God. Which the natural man rejects.
The image of God was not created in man in Genesis. The image of God is Christ:

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:14–15.

The only 'image' of God in Adam was that he was created trichotomy, that is, body, soul, and human spirit (NOT Holy Spirit) as the Trinity is a trichotomy of
Body = Son
Soul = Father
Spirit = Holy Spirit.
That's the only image in man when God animated him in Genesis. But the true image, the one in our salvation we are being conformed into is the image of Christ who is the image of the Father. We are not being conformed into the image of Adam. There is no perfect image of a Father than a Son, don't you think?

Exactly, which is the only repentance God accepts: a whole heart and life ceasing to lust and sin.

Actually, the lust and sin are diminished, it doesn't go away. If it did go away there would be no backsliding.

Worldly sorrow is being sorry without repenting, which is unto death.

Why do Christians ignorantly make distinction between so-called "worldly" sorrow and "godly sorrow as though "worldly" sorrow is bad or unacceptable with God and "godly" sorrow is acceptable to God? Why stupidity?

Israel many times repented in sackcloth and ashes and great crying and wailing WITHOUT the Holy Spirit and that was "worldly" since it was without the Holy Spirit and each time God forgave His people.

...and man became a living soul.
God breathes Spirit, not air.

Well, breath is immaterial, spirit. I breathe spirit too. But Adam was not given the Holy Spirit but only animated by the Holy Spirit NOT given the Holy Spirit. If He was given the Holy Spirit, he'd be as the last/second Adam and not sinned. But he did sin and this means he didn't have the Holy Spirit - and also for ONE MAJOR reason: atonement wasn't made yet which is why in the plan of God he had to learn about substitutionary sacrifice when God killed a lamb and made coats of skin for them prefiguring the substitutionary sacrifice of the Lamb of God who was predestined to take away - not cover - the sins of God's COVENANT, ELECT PEOPLE: the House of Israel. Salvation is of the Jews, NOT the Gentiles. Otherwise, there would be a Gentile covenant and there would be TWO covenants and confusion would reign among mankind. AND there would also be Gentile Scriptures, but THERE IS NONE.
His soul died that day, just as every soul that sins dies that day.
No, his human spirit died. His soul is comprised of intellect/mind, emotions, senses, conscience, and will. His body didn't die for he lived 930 years (unless he was 929 years and 359 days old and died. But that can't be because he had sons and daughters. The only 'thing' left is his human spirit. So, you need to rethink your whole theology.

By your writings, I can certainly see how what you call spiritual is not practical at all. Especially since your spirituality results in walking after the flesh.

By my writings you'll find I don't hold to that and have never said that. What the problem is of course, is that you hold to some unorthodox, or even false doctrine that when the truth is presented you interpret what I say against your false theology and come up with things I never said nor wrote. I'd ask you to post those things you accuse me of posting in my writings but I won't because there's a spirit of antichrist here in which two other prominent others have accused me of saying something they deemed error or wrong or false and when I asked repeatedly for them to present those posts or evidence they don't do it, NOR do they recant. They prefer it's my responsibility to find their evidence and use it against me that is not the American NOR BIBLICAL way. So, you're free. You don't have to present your evidence, but you don't have the freedom to accuse me without it either.

Right, just like all men everywhere, is not all men everywhere.

All men everywhere would be in context to who is being spoken/written to and that is Israel. They were after all EVERYWHERE being a scattered people. James 1:1 confirms this. It was the REMNANT that returned to their land after King Cyrus gave the go ahead, but the MAJORITY stayed in Gentile lands. So, they are an EVERYWHERE people.

Right, just like the Athenians Paul preached to in Athens was Israel.

No, they were Athens. But there were proselytes in the crowd also.

You're getting stranger in your teaching, as well as departing practical fact.

I think your eyes - and doctrine - are failing.

And all this effort for what? To justify yourself while sinning. It always seems to come down to that one simple fact, when Christians begin trying to change the Bible to fit their own perspective.

I hate it when people do that, don't you? But I can thank God I am a child of Truth being taught the Word of Truth by the Spirit of Truth about the God is Truth., and THAT IS the truth.

I'm not surprised when I see people that twist the Bible around, also twist the teaching of the Bible around.

Again, show me where I twist the bible? But in order to accuse me YOU have to be in correct doctrine. That's your basis and foundation by which to accuse me.
Are you?

The Holy Spirit isn't dwelling in any person sinning today, tomorrow, and...

So, HOW does a person become born-again?

God doesn't respond to worldly sorrow except with death, nor the unrepented sinning with worldly sorrow.

He did when Israel performed it to their worldly benefit. They didn't have the Holy Spirit and their mourning and repentance in sackcloth and ashes with great crying's and wailing was accepted by God and that was BEFORE the Holy Spirit!

God only saves them that receives His godly sorrow into the heart to repent and cease the sinning.

There you go with the "heart" thing again. But you'll learn.

I agree. Taking God's words from the Bible and making their own perspective out of it.

It's called Bible Study.

Whatever.

Spank you, very much for that.

No. I'm talking about your and Esau's worldly sorrow of wiping up snot and tears without repenting.

There's no difference in sorrow. The mind, emotions, senses and conscience are all involved in sorrow. But sorrow is a learning device and I am a man with great sorrow and brokenness and I'm not even repenting of anything.
That's what my calling requires of me.

Correct. The sorrow of the world that repents not, has not the Holy Spirit, but only death toward God.

Remember Israel!

Read above about them twisting the Bible, will also twist teaching of the Bible.

Talk about twisting the bible.
Israel didn't have the Holy Spirit and repented in sorrow, sackcloth, ashes, and God took back the apple of His eye a billion times so I guess you can call all those times "worldly sorrow" being exhibited by Israel without the Holy Spirit.
Pssst...your false doctrine is showing.

 

[Ghada]

Everywhere?

No, every where:

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

You mean non-covenant Gentiles, too?

Yes, Athenians were Gentiles. In fact they were the main subjects adrressed:

Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens...

And it was also a perfect place at the time to preach to most all men every where (or everywhere).

Even better than Rome, the Athenian pnyx was the 'Olympics' of debate and discourse in religion, philosophy, sciences, history, etc... Literally from every where (or everywhere), both all men (and women) came to dispute and/or hear them.

Let's put it in perspective.

We see what you putting the Bible into perspective means. Change it to your own 'perspective'.

Any call for men everywhere to repent must be taken in context to whom God is speaking to and He is speaking to Israel,

While there were Jews in Athens, as most everywhere, the only ones recorded as converts by Paul's preaching, were native Athenians, not Jews.

And we also see what lengths some unbelievers will go to, in order to have their perspective rather than Bible truth. They even change historical fact, not just doctrine.

Nothing is off limits to unrepented sinners in order to justify themselves by their own faith and doctrine alone. Even their own history book.

When you unmoor Biblical Christianity from its Jewish foundation and roots you end up in the Twilight Zone.

The foundation of the NT laid by Jesus' called apostles was all new. I.e. completely unmoored (nice word, very scholarly), from the old, dead, and decayed OT.

Which was not a Jewish foundation, but the God of Israel's foundation laid by Moses in the law.

I now see how some people think their perspective matters so much, even to the point of changing the doctrine and history of the Bible. They think the Bible really is just written by men, and not by God alone.

Every word, foundation, doctrine, principle, law, commandment, etc... is God's alone, not men's from their own minds. The prophets and apostles were holy men of God indeed, but when writing God's Scriptures, they are only humble pens in the hands of the Lord:

My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer.

 

[Ghada]

All us=ward will come to repentance in their own time.

Already responded

This requires time and discipleship.

No, unrepentance requires mercy and longsuffering from the Lord, to allow more time to repent.

The only discipleship time of unrepentance is with the devil, while also learning Lucifer's hard-hearted resistance to the Spirit of grace.

ALL true-born of God believers 'walk' with Jesus -repented or unrepented - for He said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you."

Unrepented sinners are still walking after the flesh. So then, now you preach your christ walking after the flesh with them.

That is not the true Christ Jesus.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

Jesus even commands His repented saints not to walk with unrepented sinners.

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Not even dine with, much less walk with. I thoroughly reject your christ walking after the flesh. I refuse to walk with him according to the commandment of my Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Ghada]

Trying to be funny, tongue-in-cheek but seems I failed. We've been going at it consistently and I thought the acquaintance was enough to make a funny. That's all.

Then I apologize. I started noticing some personal issues creeping in from you, which many times happens. And so, if you ment it happily, then so do I.

YES, IT'S ME AGAIN! JOY TO THE WORLD....!

The proverbial heart doesn't think. All it does is pump blood,

You're speaking as the natural man denying the true heart of a person:

But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

Denying the hidden heart of man, is denying the inner man created in the image of God.

And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake.

Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old?

Only seeing a physical heart is the very blindness of natural man.

Since you reject the inner heart of man, that is spirit and not flesh, then your reference to it being 'proverbial', makes the Bible speaking of fables, as that of Aesop:

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Not only does the world of unbelief in the Bible, try to write the Book off as just more fabulous fables of mankind, but I have seen stated 'believers' in the Bible do the same with prophecies of the Bible. You are the very first one to conclude doctrine of the Spirit is also just a fable, so that the only heart of man is that of physical flesh and blood.

Congratulations.

and in the Old Testament when "heart" is mentioned does not mean anything except its inference to that of the whole being of a person.

The inner heart of man is more real and sure than any blood pump on earth, whether man or beast: It's where all good and evil words and deeds of angels and men proceed from:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Our lives of words and deeds proceed from our hidden hearts, where by our heart and soul is made known and judged by them:

Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

That's why we are commanded by God in the old and new Testaments to love God with all our heart. Do away with the purpose of our heart made in God's image, and we do away with God and His first commandment.

"the "heart" doesn't think.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

This makes direct contradiction of the Bible #2. (I'm starting a list just for sake of record. Feel free to do the same with me, if you find any. I will also keep a record of any corrections accepted and applied. So far, you're 2-0)

The Bible is God's Book, that reveals to all mankind the true nature of life, which is spiritual first, and then natural in the flesh. Believing only in a physical heart is rejection of God's first revelation to natural mankind. They do not believe their words and deeds are from a heart and soul judged by God accordingly.

You believe the same thing, first by separating your deeds from any inner soul and heart, so that you are holy and righteous while living sinful and doing unrighteousness.

"I am going to sin later, tomorrow, and most likely the next day, but God sees me as holy, sinless, righteous."

It's the same self-justifying of all delusional unbelievers, who say they do bad things, but they are still good people.

Now you show the carnal minded source for such self-deceit, by only acknowledging your physical brain as the thinker, and your physical blood pump as the only heart you have.

Just as "soul" refers to the whole being of a person. It got carried over into the New Covenant Scriptures

Exactly:

And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. (Deut 6)

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: (Mark 12)

 

[Ghada]

and misunderstanding took it from there to the idea that Jesus lives in a person's "heart" (organ), etc. but Jesus doesn't live in anyone's proverbial "heart (organ)

You are now teaching JW natural man theology, with the mind, soul, and heart being the natural body.

By this you cast aside the whole New Covenant of the risen God of Israel.

In the sower of the seed, Jesus declares the word and seed of Christ is sown in the hearts of the hearers. That is the word of the the NT gospel by which we are born of God, and the promised seed, which is Christ.

But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

And so, we that it is in the heart of the person, that Christ by His Spirit, is the gospel word and seed sown in all hearers, but only dwells in the believers doing the word.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

If not in the heart, then no man has the Spirit of Christ. You denounce the promised see of the NT, by rejecting Him from your heart to live in.

This is of course the case for all who repent not to do His word, but you are the first to also teach it. Indeed, by your natural mind about life, you declare you have no heart for Him to dwell.

I would say this ranks as contradiction #3.

Of course you are correct about Christ not dwelling in any blood pump, but only with the repented hidden new man of the heart.

God gave that function to the brain. The "heart" is created and ordained by God to pump blood.

Thank you for verifying your natural man's theology. It's a mere theological distinction without a difference, between the natural man who denies soul, heart, and spirit altogether.

They deny there is a God, and you deny there can be God dwelling in your heart. And you are correct, but God can if you simply repent as all men every where (everywhere) are commanded for Jesus' sake.

The mind of a man is the spirit of man in him. It's how man is created in the image of God. Which the natural man rejects.

And you theologically.

The spirit and mind of the inner man of the heart, is not the brain nor the physical flesh and blood.

 

[Ghada]

Actually, the lust and sin are diminished, it doesn't go away.

Exactly the case with yourself and your religion of unrepentance. You still have the same old corrupt heart of lust, since when you first sinned in life. Now, you seek to only limit it.

You succinctly sum up things well without any theological smokescreens, including here. It's the same old unrepented sinner religion of man. It's the Christian religion version of 'progressive' secular humanism. Your progressive Christianity gradually sins less than before, but never ceases the ungodliness.

Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls:

I'll stick with Jesus' pure religion of a whole new beginning, where the whole past of lust and sinning is cut off at once in new birth of God:

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ,

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that is doing righteousness at all times.

 

[Ghada]

Again, show me where I twist the bible?

You can look at any example of correction I give. Or you can look at my growing list of outright contradiction and opposition to the Bible.

But in order to accuse me YOU have to be in correct doctrine. That's your basis and foundation by which to accuse me.
Are you?

I get more and more perfectly accurate in the doctrine of the Bible, by the exercise of correcting errors. You supply many, and some even new.

As Edison said, we learn better how to do things right, by learning how not to.

So, HOW does a person become born-again?

He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?

Just pick out any quote I give on Bible repentance for conversion, washing, and salvation

Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

There you go with the "heart" thing again. But you'll learn.

How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

However 'diminished', it's still lust and mocking of the new pure heart of Christ without any lust at all.

There's no difference in sorrow.

For godly sorrow worketh repentance unto salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Contradiction #4

Talk about twisting the bible.
Israel didn't have the Holy Spirit and repented in sorrow, sackcloth, ashes, and God took back the apple of His eye a billion times so I guess you can call all those times "worldly sorrow" being exhibited by Israel without the Holy Spirit.

Already responded.

 

[brightfame52]

Repentance from false religion!​

Acts 2:38

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Did you know that repentance was primarily from false religion? On the day of Pentecost Peters audience was pretty much religious people from among the jews, I believe they were moral and respectable jewish citizens, not a bunch of drunkards and drug addicts, fornicators and thieves. No they were folk that had wrong opinions and perceptions and doctrines on how one is made right with God. When God gives them repentance that corrects their wrong thinking ! Gods repentance leads to the right doctrine. Acts 2:41-42

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

 

[Ghada]

Repentance is "change your mind." I can be saved in that moment and "change my mind" (repent) about future actions but that's only Twilight Zone. God wants fruits (acts) meet for repentance.

All Bible repentance is of committed acts. Never of thoughts or the mind. Change of mind is only now knowing about the truth, but not doing it. God's repentance is only changing the deeds from the heart.

He doesn't care what we think about it, but only what we do about it.

True. But tell a mother there are babes in the womb that if they die and they're not elect they go to the other place.

Being chosen from the womb is by God. Being judged by God as His elect is by works.

Babes can be chosen from the womb, but not judged as good or evil from the womb. All men are judged by their works. Babes can't be.

That other place is not hell of the wicked, that are judged by their dead works.

Do you accept this truth?

I've pretty much rejected most all your truth.

That's true. But they were BOTH under the covenant umbrella.

True. One kept it and the other did not. God is proven true in His election in the womb, by their works after the womb.

The election had to do with the Promise going through Jacob not Esau. Esau was still covenant like Ishmael.

In circumcision of flesh only, not in faith of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Your speaking as a natural Jew claiming covenant promise by outward circumcision only. Much worse is, you're doing so after the new covenant promise is already come and written.

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Pre-NT Jewish carnal mindedness have less guilt than post-NT Christian carnal mindedness..

They are the seed of Abraham (son and grandson) and "come out of thee" (Abraham - Gen. 17.)

More carnal minded rejection of the promised seed of Abraham, which is Christ.

The angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment, including Satan. (2 Peter 2:4.)

Satan is still the prince and power of the air walking about seeking whom to devour. He won't be shut up in hell for a thousand years, until after the Lord's return to earth.

The NEW "Satan" is the flesh and carnal mind. These are adversary of God.

This chines with your god of this world being man theory. You're carnal minded by Satan's devices, but you're not Satan.

The flesh is natural as grass, and just as naturally mortal.

And Jesus' temptation was from within, not without.

All temptation is within the mind. Those taking it to heart, do so by lust.

The only adversary of man is man and the stupid stuff they do. Even to themselves.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Contradiction #5

No, Jesus learned it from the womb. His suffering as Isaiah's "Suffering Servant" began in the womb when He put on that awful flesh.

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

You accuse the Holy Ghost of preparing an awful body from the seed of David and Abraham.

Others justify themselves as being born with a sin nature. But they at least exempt Jesus from it. But not you. As I said, you're nothing if not boldly unashamed.

 

[Ghada]

I sinned yesterday. Am I now a bastard?

No, that would only be for born sons of God, that have once repented and ceased to sin. If I were to sin against my Father, I would make myself a bastard to Him.

That does not include unrepented sinners of the world, that were never born again sons of the Father.

I'll sin as soon as I log off in something before I hit my pillow tonight. Am I a bastard? I'll do a sin and fall short of His glory or fracture a Law, am I a bastard?

See above.

Wow, Boo Boo, with all this sinning I do I wonder if I'm even saved.

Your gospel and doctrine says so. Don't you believe yourself?

What do you think? Has God taken away my sin in this life so I can walk on water, or should I wear a floatation device?

How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

I can see the degradation is getting steeper. Most all challenged self-justifiers descend into mockery of doing God's righteousness. You haven't yet started accusing the righteous, that don't agree to justify you, of being self-righteous boasters.

Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

No, he wasn't a son. God the Father has only ONE Son.
Adam was of God, but not His son.

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Contradiction # 6.
Out of sincere curiosity. How is it you so plainly contradict the Bible in your statements? Is it really the case that you think it's just written by other unrepented sinners like yourself, so you can offer a differing 'perspective' of your own?
I know someone who puts himself forth as a new revelator of truth from the 3rd heaven. He says his truth does not need Bible confirmation. Do you say the same, or just act like it?

Here, the best English translation for the English-speaking people:

38 Which was the [son of] Enos, which was the [son of] Seth, which was the [son of] Adam, which was the [son of] God. Lk 3:38.

The KJV translators added the words "son of" as they are NOT in the Greek texts they translated. So, read it without the "son of" and come to the knowledge of the truth.

Ah, Greek. I am impressed with you, that at least you don't run to the Greek or Hebrew often, in order to try and change the Bible English. Normally you just say your own stuff without shame, nor need of justifying it by original languages or manuscript arguments.

Adam was not the God. Nor just of God. Otherwise Joseph was not the son of Heli, nor Er the son of Jose, nor Seth the son of Adam...

Also, you contradict your teaching of no man would sin, if any man were of God, when born.

Adam was the son of God, and of God at his beginning, and then he sinned against His God, Just as Lucifer was made perfect and then sinned against His God.

God has ONLY ONE Son. The Logos. The Lord Jesus Christ, the man-God.

God has only One only begotten Son of God.

Now you reject God has man sons born of His word.

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Contradiction #7

 

[Ghada]

Oh, true sons don't bastardize. Reflects poorly on the Father. But the atonement in time is the atonement in eternity BEFORE God created heaven, earth, and man:

You were not atoned in the beginning with God, nor were you saved when the Word was made flesh and died on a cross.

You weren't made nor born yet. You hadn't even sinned yet, until you did sin, and still do sin today, tomorrow, and the next.

The cross still condemns you as a fresh crucifier of Jesus today, tomorrow, and the next.

Seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
But Jesus is not on the cross anymore, nor may tomorrow come. Your prophesy of sinning tomorrow and the next may be bold, but also presumptive of more longsuffering space to repent.

And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world. Rev. 13:7–8.

'Before' is a purposed mistranslation. I'm taking back my applause at not trying to Greek a change of English, just to fit your won personal 'perspective'.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Every one coming into the world is lightened by Christ and written in God's book of life, from beginning from the foundation of the world + 6 days. Adam was the first son of God written in the Book of Life. Then Eve, then Cain, then Abel, then Seth...

It's the same for every babe coming into the world today by the light of Christ. In the Bible it's all about having our names blotted out from the book of life:

And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

You are bold about being a daily unrepented holy sinless sinner. But you are only pretentious in also claiming to be a lamb saved before the world ever began.

This means that before God created heaven, earth, and man, a lamb was slain which first enabled Him to create a sinful man,

Now, you dive deeper into Christ being the Maker of sin and sinners. Which also makes God to be the tempter of man to sin.

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

and then institute some mechanism that was sufficient for Him to put up with the sin of His elect people.

Your christ doesn't just make sinners and put up with you, but enjoys your sinning as much as you today, tomorrow, and the next.

 

[Ghada]

It all began right here:

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Ge n.3:20–21.

He clothed the body, not the soul. His soul was still dead with neither confession nor repentance.

You naturally coat your conscience with your self-justifying doctrine.

We as fallen man - those who are not saved - make up all kinds of religions in order to clothe ourselves with self-righteousness so that we might relate to a Righteous God but all that are filthy rags.

I am prophetic. First the mockery of the righteous, with accusations following. Perfect.

You forgot boasters.

Filthy rags of man's own righteousness is by doing good things, but with unclean hearts of lust:

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Filthy rags Christianity is with lust and sin diminished, not abolished away.

He that is committing sin is of the devil; for the devil is sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Doing God's righteousness from a purified heart of Christ, is the righteous doing God's righteousness as He is.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Filthy rags is unrighteous sinners doing good at times. Delusional religion is unrighteous sinners being sinless and righteous.

But when God clothes us then we are confident that IF He clothes us - and He does this by imparting His Righteousness (2 Cor. 5:21) then we are clothed with His Righteousness and good to go. Like what He did in Gen. 3:21.

Clothes are worn on the outside. Inward righteousness with outward unrighteousness is the delusion of the ages.

Make up your mind. IS HE the ONLY begotten Son of God because you say it but then call Adam a son (which he's not.)

Now you got it right. He is the only begotten Son of God. Not the only son of God.

From Adam to the last elect person to be born-again God's elect people have always been atoned and from God's perspective are holy, sinless, and righteous. His 'fail safe' was a 'lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world.

Your fail safe is doctrinal lambhood before the world began, and doctrinal holiness while doing ungodliness.

It doesn't fail to soothe the conscience for now, but it ends in the grave.

As I said, you are fail safe saved by your doctrine alone.

as they were "covered" and made righteous IN HIS EYES (even though they sin in time) and everything was "covered" and His Plan of Man went forward without a hitch.

The blood of bulls and goats covered sins. The blood of the Lamb washes them away.

The gospel of only limited repentance, that covers unrepentance, makes the blood of Lamb no better than that of bulls and goats.

The eyes of a God that sees righteousness in the midst of sins and trespasses, is that of this world. Which you say is you, and so you preach it.

You preach yourself as the god of this world, and you preach a doctrine of seeing yourself as holy and sinless while doing ungodly sinning.

Makes sense I suppose for the gospel of men as gods.

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Yeah. God created a sinful man and sin entered the world.

You're just another accuser of the truth God.

I reject your god and christ that makes men sinners. He's the one I forsook, when I repented of his sinning and service.

Sin comes from sinner.

Yes. Very good. And only from sinners. Not from holy and righteous sons of God in Christ Jesus.

Only the unholy, sinful, and unrighteous are sinning against the holy, sinless, and righteous God.

 

[Ghada]

I believe they were moral and respectable jewish citizens, not a bunch of drunkards and drug addicts, fornicators and thieves. No they were folk that had wrong opinions and perceptions and doctrines on how one is made right with God.​

They were as all sinners that sin: guilty of the blood of Jesus Christ. Whether repenting of few or many dead works, all dead works must be repented of.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Moral isn't God's righteousness.

When God gives them repentance that corrects their wrong thinking ! Gods repentance leads to the right doctrine. Acts 2:41-42​

This is all mind doctrine, not heart repentance. Changing one's mind and doctrine is vain without changing one's deeds.

My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Upon hearing the word of truth, many may change their minds about doctrine and law of sin and death, but only doing the change from evil to good converts the heart.

Mind doctrine ends in the grave.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

God's doctrine and fellowship are done, not just thought about.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Doctrine is as doctrine does.

Doctrinal thinkers only are as useless as faith alone is dead.

 

[brightfame52]

Repentance is Limited to Gods Elect/Chosen !​

Acts 17:30

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Now is this a universal command of God ? Yes by means ! Is it a command for all individuals universal ? No, by no means, its for the Elect or Chosen of God universally, God Spiritual Israel from amongst the jews and Gentiles. Repentance has been granted solely to Israel with the accompanying forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince anda Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

"a Saviour to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins."

But to have us understand that this Israel is #1 Spiritual and #2 Universal reaching into all ethnic groups, we learn this Acts 11:18

When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.And that is why repentance with remission of sins should be preached universally to all nations Lk 24:46-47

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Cp Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness/remission of sins.

Now Israel is Gods Chosen, that is Spiritual Israel is, an Israel Chosen in Gods Chosen Christ !

Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

 

[Mr GLee]

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world. Rev. 13:7–8.

This means that before God created heaven, earth, and man, a lamb was slain which first enabled Him to create a sinful man, and then institute some mechanism that was sufficient for Him to put up with the sin of His elect people. It all began right here:

I would ask? Why did Christ rename his wife Christian in Acts, previously calling her Israel ? What changed his mind ?

No such idea of creation "a beginning" before the creation. . The one beginning . . ."let there be substance" and "it was God alone good"

No adding or subtracting from sola scriptura.

From the creation the 6 days he did work out his faith or labor of love ."Let there be". . and rested eternal on the 7th.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Books, two .The book of life the names of all he planed to create breath of life and the lambs' book .

The names not writen in the lamb's book will be erased from the book of life .Both books as the witness of two in agreement as one. The faithless as if they were never born.

Daniel 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

God used a lamb as a metaphor in parables to represent His Spirit of sonship that works in born again believers, Lamb in parables represent the Holy Spirit of sonship.

By that Spirit we can cry out Abba Father .Yoked with him he makes our daily burdens lighter with a living future hope beyond the grave

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. The one Spirit of adoption

God is not a Jewish man ,

 

[jeremiah1five]

No, every where:

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:



Yes, Athenians were Gentiles. In fact they were the main subjects adrressed:

Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens...

And it was also a perfect place at the time to preach to most all men every where (or everywhere).

Even better than Rome, the Athenian pnyx was the 'Olympics' of debate and discourse in religion, philosophy, sciences, history, etc... Literally from every where (or everywhere), both all men (and women) came to dispute and/or hear them.


We see what you putting the Bible into perspective means. Change it to your own 'perspective'.


While there were Jews in Athens, as most everywhere, the only ones recorded as converts by Paul's preaching, were native Athenians, not Jews.

And we also see what lengths some unbelievers will go to, in order to have their perspective rather than Bible truth. They even change historical fact, not just doctrine.

Nothing is off limits to unrepented sinners in order to justify themselves by their own faith and doctrine alone. Even their own history book.

The foundation of the NT laid by Jesus' called apostles was all new. I.e. completely unmoored (nice word, very scholarly), from the old, dead, and decayed OT.

Which was not a Jewish foundation, but the God of Israel's foundation laid by Moses in the law.

I now see how some people think their perspective matters so much, even to the point of changing the doctrine and history of the Bible. They think the Bible really is just written by men, and not by God alone.

Every word, foundation, doctrine, principle, law, commandment, etc... is God's alone, not men's from their own minds. The prophets and apostles were holy men of God indeed, but when writing God's Scriptures, they are only humble pens in the hands of the Lord:

My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer.

The majority of Jews stayed in Gentile lands. Only a remnant returned to Israel.
When Christ ascended He sent His disciples to the majority in Gentile lands to herald to the majority in Gentile lands that their Messiah had come.
Then out of 3000 Jews born-again on the Day of Pentecost they went back home and shared Jesus where they went. More Jews were saved.
At the end of four decades 40,325,000 (that's million) Jews were saved and Christ built His Church.
Then He stopped.
Since then Gentiles have stolen Israel's inheritance.

 

[Mr GLee]

The majority of Jews stayed in Gentile lands. Only a remnant returned to Israel.
When Christ ascended He sent His disciples to the majority in Gentile lands to herald to the majority in Gentile lands that their Messiah had come.
Then out of 3000 Jews born-again on the Day of Pentecost they went back home and shared Jesus where they went. More Jews were saved.
At the end of four decades 40,325,000 (that's million) Jews were saved and Christ built His Church.
Then He stopped.
Since then Gentiles have stolen Israel's inheritance.

Stolen inheritance .The Holy Spirit of eternal God not seen ? That inheritance?

God does not number his children. . he desires they walk by the faith of Christ the unseen eternal things of God. David trusted in numbers of dying mankind, thousands died because of his rebellion against the Holy Father.

A born again Jew is not one outwardly according to the dying flesh of mankind but one not seen with the eyes. . . . . the eternal things of God.

Return to which Israel the one he divorced. or the new creation born again renamed by The father Christian a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations.

All of Israel is not born again mankind ,Some remained as unconverted Jacob. . the deceiver

Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also

 

[brightfame52]

Repentance is Limited to Gods Elect/Chosen ! 2

You see, repentance is based upon in the evangelical sense, the forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Lk 24:47

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem

Its the Chosen in Christ who have forgiveness of sins, Eph 1:4,7

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

In whom we [The Chosen in Christ the Beloved Vs4] have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;