My God, My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me? The last words of Christ.

[Carbon]

It was literally an "excruciating" cry - "My God My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?"

The word excruciating comes from the prefix ex ("out of" or "from) and root crucis (cross). In the throes of death, at the nadir of His passion, Jesus screamed his question heavenward. The lament was more than a primordial scream. It represents the most agonizing protest ever uttered on the planet. It burst forth in the moment of unparalleled pain. No human before or since experienced in this world what the Lamb of God endured on Golgotha.

How are we to understand this scream of torment?

R .C. Sproul

 

[Eleanor]

It was literally an "excruciating" cry - "My God My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?"
The word excruciating comes from the prefix ex ("out of" or "from) and root crucis (cross). In the throes of death, at the nadir of His passion, Jesus screamed his question heavenward. The lament was more than a primordial scream. It represents the most agonizing protest ever uttered on the planet. It burst forth in the moment of unparalleled pain. No human before or since experienced in this world what the Lamb of God endured on Golgotha.
How are we to understand this scream of torment?

R .C. Sproul

Part of his taking our punishment for sin may have been to experience a sense of abandonment by God, which the damned will certainly experience as punishment for their sin.

 

[Carbon]

I read, Albert Schweitzer said it was the final grasp of bitter disillusionment of Jesus. According to him, Jesus was driven by an almost monomaniacal vision - His expectation was eschatological, not in the sense of the futuristic, but in the sense of transcendence and divine. Jesus awaited a breakthrough from heaven. - am immediate, sovereign, divine, drama that would establish God's kingdom on earth.

 

[Carbon]

Part of his taking our punishment for sin may have been to experience a sense of abandonment by God, which the damned will certainly experience as punishment for their sin.

Oh, I believe he felt abandonment, for sure. He was abandoned.

 

[Alive]

I don’t think we can imagine the torment in those moments.
He took on Himself the entire crushing weight of sin and the corrupted Creation.
It’s impossible for us to grasp in any way, just how awful the fall was and how thoroughly ruined was the result.

 

[Carbon]

I read, Albert Schweitzer said it was the final grasp of bitter disillusionment of Jesus. According to him, Jesus was driven by an almost monomaniacal vision - His expectation was eschatological, not in the sense of the futuristic, but in the sense of transcendence and divine. Jesus awaited a breakthrough from heaven. - am immediate, sovereign, divine, drama that would establish God's kingdom on earth.

He goes on to say; that Jesus looked for a breakthrough when he commissioned the 70 for their preaching mission. But it didn't come to pass. He looked for the heavens to open during Hostriumphal entry into Jerusalem, but the heavens remained shut. His final plat to provoke the father to action was to allow His own arrest and trial. He went willingly to the end of the line, to the cross itself, patiently waiting for the father to act. There was no action. Heaven remained silent. Finally, it dawned on Jesus that the Father was not going to act - there would be no eschatological breakthrough of the kingdom. In total and complete disillusionment He screamed His question of forsakenness.


Good grief, how a proclaimed Christian can say and teach such stuff.

 

[Carbon]

I don’t think we can imagine the torment in those moments.
He took on Himself the entire crushing weight of sin and the corrupted Creation.
It’s impossible for us to grasp in any way, just how awful the fall was and how thoroughly ruined was the result.

I believe it is incomprehensible and impossible to grasp it all.

 

[Alive]

He goes on to say; that Jesus looked for a breakthrough when he commissioned the 70 for their preaching mission. But it didn't come to pass. He looked for the heavens to open during Hostriumphal entry into Jerusalem, but the heavens remained shut. His final plat to provoke the father to action was to allow His own arrest and trial. He went willingly to the end of the line, to the cross itself, patiently waiting for the father to act. There was no action. Heaven remained silent. Finally, it dawned on Jesus that the Father was not going to act - there would be no eschatological breakthrough of the kingdom. In total and complete disillusionment He screamed His question of forsakenness.


Good grief, how a proclaimed Christian can say and teach such stuff.

I agree. He was absurd. Jesus knew exactly what was at stake. In no other way could God Himself have willingly taken full responsibility for the repair and restoration.

 

[Carbon]

A second interpretation of the event is tied to the Psalms of the Old Testament. In Psalm 22, the psalmist writes the exact words, "My God, My God, why has Thou forsaken Me?"
The psalm then gives an uncanny foreshadowing of the death of Christ. In a moment of acute consciousness of His messianic destiny, Jesus cites the opening words of the psalmist to indicate His awareness of the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

 

[Carbon]

I agree. He was absurd. Jesus knew exactly what was at stake. In no other way could God Himself have willingly taken full responsibility for the repair and restoration.

Amen brother.

 

[Carbon]

A second interpretation of the event is tied to the Psalms of the Old Testament. In Psalm 22, the psalmist writes the exact words, "My God, My God, why has Thou forsaken Me?"
The psalm then gives an uncanny foreshadowing of the death of Christ. In a moment of acute consciousness of His messianic destiny, Jesus cites the opening words of the psalmist to indicate His awareness of the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

I can and do agree here.

 

[Alive]

Yup…this is important.

 

[Carbon]

A third view is that Jesus under the pressure of the moment felt forsaken. but actually was not forsaken. The hymn "Tis Midnight and on Olives Brow" contains the lyrics, "was not forsaken by His God. . . ." Perhaps the hymn writer meant to convey the idea that ultimately he was not forsaken in that he was finally and fully vindicated by the Resurection.

 

[Carbon]

A third view is that Jesus under the pressure of the moment felt forsaken. but actually was not forsaken. The hymn "Tis Midnight and on Olives Brow" contains the lyrics, "was not forsaken by His God. . . ." Perhaps the hymn writer meant to convey the idea that ultimately he was not forsaken in that he was finally and fully vindicated by the Resurection.

If that were the case, I think it would be very important to point that out in the hymn.

 

[Carbon]

R. C. goes on to say,
However vindicated Jesus ultimately was, the New Testament makes it clear that Jesus was indeed forsaken. He was while bearing the sin of his people on the cross, fully and totally forsaken by God. This was the very essence of the Atonement. The angus=ish he experienced had little to do with nails, thorns, and spears. Thousands of men had endured similar executions. His pain was uniquely concentrated in being exposed to the unmitigated wrath of God. To be forsaken is to be placed under the curse of God, to have the light of his countenance eclipsed.

 

[Carbon]

R. C. goes on to say,
However vindicated Jesus ultimately was, the New Testament makes it clear that Jesus was indeed forsaken. He was while bearing the sin of his people on the cross, fully and totally forsaken by God. This was the very essence of the Atonement. The angus=ish he experienced had little to do with nails, thorns, and spears. Thousands of men had endured similar executions. His pain was uniquely concentrated in being exposed to the unmitigated wrath of God. To be forsaken is to be placed under the curse of God, to have the light of his countenance eclipsed.

The key to understanding the cry of Jesus is found in Paul letter to the Galatians 3:13, Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

 

[Alive]

For me, this is one of those very simple things.
The Father, sovereignly made it so Christ Himself in that moment was what the Father could not fellowship with…it was broken. Yet, in the final moment, Jesus uttered, “it is finished”.
That was ultimate exultation. And He laid down His Life for us.
This is for us the first of Salvation is Relocation.
If you get that right, much error is avoided.

 

[Carbon]

The key to understanding the cry of Jesus is found in Paul letter to the Galatians 3:13, Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

20 And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. Lev 16.


I love those types and shadows.

 

[Carbon]

20 And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. Lev 16.


I love those types and shadows.

To be cursed is to be removed from the presence of God, to be set outside the camp, to be cut off from His benefits.

 

[Arial]

R. C. goes on to say,
However vindicated Jesus ultimately was, the New Testament makes it clear that Jesus was indeed forsaken. He was while bearing the sin of his people on the cross, fully and totally forsaken by God. This was the very essence of the Atonement. The angus=ish he experienced had little to do with nails, thorns, and spears. Thousands of men had endured similar executions. His pain was uniquely concentrated in being exposed to the unmitigated wrath of God. To be forsaken is to be placed under the curse of God, to have the light of his countenance eclipsed.

And none of us can imagine what that would be like. I shudder to even try.