Mary having marital relations with HER HUSBAND AFTER Jesus was born has NOTHING to do with Jesus' work of salvation on our behalf.
Please explain how that statement is incorrect.
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Mary having marital relations with HER HUSBAND AFTER Jesus was born has NOTHING to do with Jesus' work of salvation on our behalf.
Please explain how that statement is incorrect.
Can you also dismiss the “virgin birth”?
Nope: that why His Father is God
Mary having marital relations with HER HUSBAND AFTER Jesus was born has NOTHING to do with Jesus' work of salvation on our behalf.
Please explain how that statement is incorrect.
Having marital relations with husband had ZERO effect on the Jesus' ministry
YOU claimed it was an error:
Don't you know what you are against?
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Solus Christus is the teaching that Christ is the only mediator between God and man, and that there is salvation through no other (hence, the phrase is sometimes rendered in the ablative case, solo Christo, meaning that salvation is "by Christ alone")
- John 14:6 – "Jesus replied: I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
- First Epistle to Timothy 2:5 – "Because there is only one God, and only one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
- Acts 4:10–12 – "May all of you and all the people of Israel know that this happened in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth […] And there is no salvation in anyone else; for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved"
Solus Christus is a Latin phrase that means "Christ alone"and is one of the five solas, or core beliefs, of the Protestant Reformation. It is based on the idea that salvation is achieved through faith in Christ alone, and that Christ is the only mediator between God and man.
The phrase emphasizes that:
- Christ's death and resurrection are necessary and sufficient for salvation
- No human works or merit can contribute to Christ's work
- Christ is the prophet, priest, and king of the church of God
- Christ took the punishment for sinners
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I wonder if any Roman Catholic could show me, from anywhere in scripture, any apostle ever praying to Mary? Or even suggesting such a thing.
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You mean Christ's birth from the womb of a virgin? Or Mary's?
Christ's? No, I can't dismiss it.
Mary's? Yes, I definitely can dismiss it.
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They can explain it away .They have no salvation (graceless) . What do have is a mysterious sufferings, wondering doctrine of the father of lies (Limbo and Purgatory).
In that way no fullness of grace the whole price of salvation to the whole planet all receiving a unknown remnant of grace save the queen mother named after our blessed sister in the Lord Mary . His and hers gods.
She becomes the vehicle of grace as if Christ grace as a labor of his love came from her (dying mankind) and not Christ, not seen.
In that way there must be heresies or matters of opinion amongst Christian's as long as they do not do despite to the fullness of grace .Which they clearly do .Showing the rest of the world they are false apostles bringing false prophecy
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord (Giving it to a entity called Mary) that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
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Who says it does?
it doesn't
YOU are very confused;
It is YOUR Church that has the dogma of the perpetual virginity as a "de fide" belief
de fide
of the faith: a phrase used in the Roman Catholic Church to qualify certain teachings as being divinely revealed, belief in them therefore being obligatory
so let's try NOT answering a question with a question.
Please explain why anyone's salvation is dependent upon their believing Mary never once had sex with her husband AFTER Jesus was born?
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It does not affect His work of salvation but it is Christian Faith, revealed by Christ eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and commanded to be taught by Christ matt 28:19-20
Scripture dont say your definition
Luther says its an article of faith and articles of faith are required for salvation
Calvin say you are a heretic if you believe mary and Joseph had relations
Lk 1:34 no sex period
Christians are believers not unbelievers
Martin Luther
It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we Believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)
John Calvin
(On the Heretic Helvidius) Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)
[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)
Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3])
John Wesley
‘I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin’ (‘Letter to a Roman Catholic’, The Works of Rev. John Wesley, vol 10, p. 81).
They also believe the immaculate conception of mary and her sinlessness, and assumption and mother of God and devotion to Her!
St Augustine, Sermons 186.1 (early 5th century):
“In being born of a Virgin who chose to remain a Virgin even before she knew who was to be born of her, Christ wanted to approve virginity rather than to impose it. And he wanted virginity to be of free choice even in that woman in whom he took upon himself the form of a slave” (Holy Virginity 4:4 [A.D. 401]).
“It was not the visible sun, but its invisible Creator who consecrated this day for us, when the Virgin Mother, fertile of womb and integral in her virginity, brought him forth, made visible for us, by whom, when he was invisible, she too was created. A Virgin conceiving, a Virgin bearing, a Virgin pregnant, a Virgin bringing forth, a Virgin perpetual. Why do you wonder at this, O man?” (Sermons 186:1 [A.D. 411]).
“Heretics called Antidicomarites are those who contradict the perpetual virginity of Mary and affirm that after Christ was born she was joined as one with her husband” (Heresies 56 [A.D. 428]).
St Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, III.28.3 (13th century):
"Without any hesitation we must abhor the error of Helvidius, who dared to assert that Christ's Mother, after His Birth, was carnally known by Joseph, and bore other children.
For, in the first place, this is derogatory to Christ's perfection: for as He is in His Godhead the Only-Begotten of the Father, being thus His Son in every respect perfect, so it was becoming that He should be the Only-begotten son of His Mother, as being her perfect offspring.
“Secondly, this error is an insult to the Holy Ghost, whose "shrine" was the virginal womb, wherein He had formed the flesh of Christ: wherefore it was unbecoming that it should be desecrated by intercourse with man.
“Thirdly, this is derogatory to the dignity and holiness of God's Mother: for thus she would seem to be most ungrateful, were she not content with such a Son; and were she, of her own accord, by carnal intercourse to forfeit that virginity which had been miraculously preserved in her.
“Fourthly, it would be tantamount to an imputation of extreme presumption in Joseph, to assume that he attempted to violate her whom by the angel's revelation he knew to have conceived by the Holy Ghost.
“We must therefore simply assert that the Mother of God, as she was a virgin in conceiving Him and a virgin in giving Him birth, did she remain a virgin ever afterwards."
The blessed Mary mother of God, is a perpetual virgin to the glory of God!
That does not exclude the communion of saints praying and interceding for each other.
And sharing in each other’s merits or rewards
Rev 2:13 faith martyr
Christ’s
The immaculate conception is Mary being preserved from original sin
The virgin and miraculous birth is about christ
These are the “things” in Lk 1:49
That was a question not a statement or decree!
The truth and the church is of divine origin and cannot be reformed any more than God can be reformed
As christians Who is our teacher?
sure does: the Greek word prayer/ pray means to request of the Divine:
neither Luther's nor Calvin's writings are God-breathed: try again
