The Church of Rome denies Jesus came in the flesh

[Fred]

Six times in the Old Testament it says, "God is not/cannot be a man".

That was before the incarnation.

 

[makesends]

Hebrews 2:17 means nothing to you?

For this reason he had to be made like them,[fn] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.

Look at it in the AKJV if you like.

Six times in the Old Testament it says, "God is not/cannot be a man".

Well, this thread isn't for the purpose of debating whether Jesus is God, so I won't take the bait this time.

Mod Hat: But, if you wish to pursue the question, there are rules for arguing a heretical view —heretical to orthodoxy, that is. Read the rules before proceeding on that. The Rules are the second and third threads found under the second section of the Forums List —"Members Information Center". Note particularly rules 3.2, 4.9.2 and 5.1. If you have specific questions about any of the rules, Direct Message one of the 3 site Admins.

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"Lots of luck", I say, as one thoroughly convinced of God's Providence in all things and ordaining of all things.

 

[Eleanor]

I believe Jesus was human. I don't believe he was God. I stand up for Catholics. The only Christians I won't stand up for are Calvinist and some Fundamentalist.

So you don't believe the God-breathed (theopnuestos) word (2 Tim 3:16) of Jn 1:1, 14, right?

That's on you. . .

 

[Eleanor]

I'm not a Catholic! I grew up Catholic, but because I reject Trinity - my options are limited.

And you don't agree with Jesus in Mt 28:19. . .

That's also on you. . .

You're not a Christian if you do not believe Jesus is God, for that is the definition of Christian.

 

[Muckah]

So you don't believe the God-breathed (theopnuestos) word (2 Tim 3:16) of Jn 1:1, 14, right?

That's on you. . .

God-breathed? The originals are God-breathed. The scriptures are no longer inerrant. Man has had his hands in it too long.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

John 1:1 - There's over 50 ways to interpret John 1:1. In the beginning was God's Speech, and God's speech was with God, and God's speech was God - means - in the beginning - God's speech is all there was. V. 14 - and God's speech was made flesh.

 

[Muckah]

And you don't agree with Jesus in Mt 28:19. . .

That's also on you. . .

You're not a Christian if you do not believe Jesus is God, for that is the definition of Christian.

I don't know why I deal with this type of judgmental baloney.

 

[Hazelelponi]

God-breathed? The originals are God-breathed. The scriptures are no longer inerrant. Man has had his hands in it too long.

In Protestant orthodoxy, Scripture’s meaning is God-breathed, not merely the text itself (2 Tim. 3:16). God conveys His intended truth through the original languages, yet that meaning transcends any single tongue.

Christ exemplified this, drawing from Hebrew texts, the Septuagint, or Aramaic to emphasize God’s purpose (e.g., Luke 4:16-21). The apostles followed suit, prioritizing divine intent over rigid wording.

Faithful translations—whether ESV, NASB, or others—aim to capture this inspired meaning. By the Spirit’s illumination, we discern God’s truth, trusting His providence to preserve it across languages for His glory (Ps. 119:105).

 

[Rella]

God-breathed? The originals are God-breathed. The scriptures are no longer inerrant. Man has had his hands in it too long.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

John 1:1 - There's over 50 ways to interpret John 1:1. In the beginning was God's Speech, and God's speech was with God, and God's speech was God - means - in the beginning - God's speech is all there was. V. 14 - and God's speech was made flesh.

In the beginning was the speech?

What translation, or is it self interpreted?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Hebrews 2:17 means nothing to you?

For this reason he had to be made like them,[fn] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.

Look at it in the AKJV if you like.

Six times in the Old Testament it says, "God is not/cannot be a man".

You should read Hebrews 3 again and again and again it's right there.

Scripture clarifies how Jesus was tempted “in all points like us” (Hebrews 4:15, ESV) without possessing sinful flesh.

Scripture teaches three main roots of temptation: “the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life” (1 John 2:16). In His wilderness temptation (Matthew 4:1-11), Jesus faced each of these, fulfilling Hebrews 4:15:

Lust of the Flesh: Satan tempted Jesus to turn stones into bread to satisfy hunger (Matthew 4:3-4). This targeted physical desire, but Jesus, having no sinful nature, responded with God’s Word, “Man shall not live by bread alone” (Deuteronomy 8:3).

Lust of the Eyes: Satan showed Jesus the world’s kingdoms, offering them for worship (Matthew 4:8-10). This appealed to visual desire for power, yet Jesus, sinless, rebuked Satan, “You shall worship the Lord your God” (Deuteronomy 6:13).

Pride of Life: Satan urged Jesus to throw Himself from the temple to prove God’s protection (Matthew 4:5-7). This tested pride, but Jesus, without sinful inclination, replied, “You shall not put the Lord your God to the test” (Deuteronomy 6:16).

Jesus was tempted in all points like us, as these cover the spectrum of human temptation (1 John 2:16). However, He didn’t fall, not because He overcame sinful urges, but because He had no sinful nature. Scripture affirms Jesus “knew no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21) and was “without sin” (Hebrews 4:15). Unlike us, who inherit sin through Adam (Romans 5:12), Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35), His human nature pure. Our “sinful flesh” (Romans 7:18) inclines us to sin, but Jesus’ temptations were external, not internal urges, yet He fully sympathizes with our weakness (Hebrews 4:15).

You asked, “If I didn’t have sinful flesh, could I go sinless?” Without a sinful nature, like Adam before the fall, you could choose not to sin, but only Jesus, being both truly God and truly man, lived perfectly (1 Peter 2:22). His sinless life and death save us (Romans 5:8-9)

 

[Rella]

Hebrews 2:17 means nothing to you?

For this reason he had to be made like them,[fn] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.

Look at it in the AKJV if you like.

Any but.

Six times in the Old Testament it says, "God is not/cannot be a man".

 

[Muckah]

In the beginning was the speech?

What translation, or is it self interpreted?

In the TR it it quoted as, "in the beginning was the saying word and the saying word was toward the God and God was the saying word.

Take a look... Look here also about what Strong's says about the word - word,

G3056 - logos - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G3056 - λόγος lógos, log'-os; from ; something said (including the thought); by implication, a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension, a computation; specially, (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (i.e. Christ):—account, cause...

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[Muckah]

https://scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/joh1.pdf

 

[Fred]

In the TR it it quoted as, "in the beginning was the saying word and the saying word was toward the God and God was the saying word.

Take a look... Look here also about what Strong's says about the word - word,

G3056 - logos - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G3056 - λόγος lógos, log'-os; from ; something said (including the thought); by implication, a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension, a computation; specially, (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (i.e. Christ):—account, cause...

www.blueletterbible.org

BDAG (3rd Edition): John 1:1abc, 14...It is the distinctive teaching of the Fourth Gospel that this divine 'Word' took on human form in a historical person, that is, Jesus (logos, page 601).

 

[Muckah]

You should read Hebrews 3 again and again and again it's right there.

Hebrews 3? Over and over again? Sure - anytime

 

[Muckah]

BDAG (3rd Edition): John 1:1abc, 14...It is the distinctive teaching of the Fourth Gospel that this divine 'Word' took on human form in a historical person, that is, Jesus (logos, page 601).

That proves it!

 

[Arial]

I don't know why I deal with this type of judgmental baloney.

Judgemental? Baloney? Deal with the text of the posts you are responding to.

Let me ask you this? Are Islamist's or Buddhists Christian because the moral codes are the same and Islam (I don't know about Buddaism) also believes in one God? Is Islam Christian because it also believes that Jesus was real, was a prophet, and died on a cross? Their religion teaches the same Jesus you teach. The only difference is that you claim the benefit that your sins are forgiven and that he rose from the dead. Do you think their Jesus is the same Jesus that Christianity teaches as a doctrinal position?

There is something unique about Christianity from all other religions of the world. Unique meaning the only religion that teaches it. Do you know what that is?

It is that Jesus is deity in essence and also human, and the Holy Spirit is also divine in essence, and so is the Father. Without that uniquenss---it is not Christian. Logic and reality.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Judgemental? Baloney? Deal with the text of the posts you are responding to.

Let me ask you this? Are Islamist's or Buddhists Christian because the moral codes are the same and Islam (I don't know about Buddaism) also believes in one God? Is Islam Christian because it also believes that Jesus was real, was a prophet, and died on a cross? Their religion teaches the same Jesus you teach. The only difference is that you claim the benefit that your sins are forgiven and that he rose from the dead. Do you think their Jesus is the same Jesus that Christianity teaches as a doctrinal position?

There is something unique about Christianity from all other religions of the world. Unique meaning the only religion that teaches it. Do you know what that is?

It is that Jesus is deity in essence and also human, and the Holy Spirit is also divine in essence, and so is the Father. Without that uniquenss---it is not Christian. Logic and reality.

Islam doesn't teach that Jesus died on a cross. Just so you know.

 

[Muckah]

Judgemental? Baloney? Deal with the text of the posts you are responding to.

Let me ask you this? Are Islamist's or Buddhists Christian because the moral codes are the same and Islam (I don't know about Buddaism) also believes in one God? Is Islam Christian because it also believes that Jesus was real, was a prophet, and died on a cross? Their religion teaches the same Jesus you teach. The only difference is that you claim the benefit that your sins are forgiven and that he rose from the dead. Do you think their Jesus is the same Jesus that Christianity teaches as a doctrinal position?

There is something unique about Christianity from all other religions of the world. Unique meaning the only religion that teaches it. Do you know what that is?

It is that Jesus is deity in essence and also human, and the Holy Spirit is also divine in essence, and so is the Father. Without that uniquenss---it is not Christian. Logic and reality.

See, I can agree that Jesus had a divine nature - an extra measure of God's Spirit, but he was fully human. He was not like three in one oil. And Hebrews 2:17 shows that his full human nature was necessary for reconciliation/atonement. He was referred to as a merciful and faithful high priest.

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

 

[Hazelelponi]

[MOD EDIT: Rules-violating content removed.]

So, you are here to simply be as insulting as possible? No discussion?

There's remedies for that too.

Of course, there's opportunity to change your mind, turn things around and have a discussion....

You keep getting lots of chances, it's kinda fun being ridiculing isn't it?. But it's masking real pain too.

I am sorry for the pain, but it doesn't exist because of us.

 

[Muckah]

Islam doesn't teach that Jesus died on a cross. Just so you know.

They actually teach he was taken down alive from whatever he was nailed to.