Man's responsibility.

[makesends]

Do you really think that people do not follow a conversation but are only reading the post that you are currently posting at any given moment?

Non-answer

 

[CrowCross]

The answer is, faith is a choice that we make.

So, how does that work? Does God tease some people by giving them a smidgeon of faith...not quite enough to make the choice for Jesus?

 

[CrowCross]

I agree. However, the one who does righteousness is righteous even as He is righteous (1 John 3:7).

Are you saying your righteous because of your own worth or self righteousness?

 

[justbyfaith]

Well, if light#1 and #2 does not save them and they die before hearing the gospel then how can they be saved? This was the crux of the discussion: how is one saved without knowledge of Christ?
Giving context to my question: You said "free will" is the ability to come to Christ unhindered yet it seems obvious that millions of people cannot come to Christ as they are hindered because they never heard of Christ before dying. So there must be another way to come to Christ or they are hindered and your definition of Free Will falls apart.

They are being drawn to Christ in being given the light of creation and conscience and if they obey those lights they will be presented with the light of Christ. In obeying those two lights they are taking steps towards Christ and are in effect coming to Him; while they do not fully come to Him until or unless they receive Him as Lord and Saviour from sin.

Also I would contend what it says in 1 Peter 3:19-20 and 4:6 and say that the gospel will be preached even to those who are dead and also has been preached to them.

 

[justbyfaith]

Are you asking if Calvinism claims a person deserves his condemnation? Of course! What does the merit of the person for his condemnation have to do with this conversation?

So, as a Calvinist, you agree that the sinner is condemned because of a lack of personal merit?

 

[justbyfaith]

??? What specifically is "Light #3" that I assume saves people from damnation?????

The light of Christ (pay attention)...

 

[justbyfaith]

I didn't say they don't. I said HE does. You think the two are mutually exclusive?

God's justice requires that the sinner be condemned to hell. If it were up to God, no one would be condemned.

1 John 4:8,16, 2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:4.

 

[justbyfaith]

Are you saying your righteous because of your own worth or self righteousness?

It is His righteousness which is practical; in that He comes to live His life in us and through us (Galatians 2:20, Romans 5:19).

 

[fastfredy0]

The light of Christ (pay attention)...

LOL ....OK ... you lost me ... but I give you props for defending your unique position. YOU DA MAN! (giggle)

 

[makesends]

My full trust is in Christ; and I also know that I have Him because I made a decision to receive Him as Lord and Saviour from sin.

All you need is one sin, to see that your decision is not trustworthy.

 

[Arial]

My full trust is in Christ; and I also know that I have Him because I made a decision to receive Him as Lord and Saviour from sin.

Is that why and how He saved you? How did He save you from sin?

 

[justbyfaith]

Is that why and how He saved you? How did He save you from sin?

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/my-testimony-justbyfaith.204/post-46790

 

[fastfredy0]

All you need is one sin, to see that your decision is not trustworthy.

Reminds me of the saying ... to the degree one sins one does not believe in God.

 

[justbyfaith]

All you need is one sin, to see that your decision is not trustworthy.

See Galatians 2:16 on that one.

 

[justbyfaith]

Reminds me of the saying ... to the degree one sins one does not believe in God.

That would be false according to the testimony of scripture.

Gal 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11, But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12, And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

1Jo 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[Arial]

You are in denial of the plain meaning of the scriptures that I gave.

It wasn't the plain meaning of the scriptures that you gave. You were given an alternate meaning and simply stuck with yours and never even addressed mine. But you are right I deny the meaning that you gave. It makes a contradiction out of tens of dozens of other scriptures, but that is irrelevant to you.

Soil type #2 believes for a while.

All who believe in Him shall receive remission (forgiveness) of sins.

What about that don't you understand?

You are focusing on the seed not the soil, and that is the wrong focus. It caused you to misinterpret the scripture. In doing so you now have a Bible teaching two opposing things. That our sins are forgiven because we make a statement of belief that has no depth----does not get past our intellect and become planted in our heart. And so the belief isn't properly planted. And also that our sins can be forgiven by God and then not be forgiven. You also have Jesus dying for someone and then having that death for them taken from them. It makes a mockery of the crucifiction. It makes a mockery of God. And you have consigned yourself to the self made reality that you can un-choose as easily as you chose.

What about your pet theory is more important to you than recognizing what you are doing?

 

[makesends]

So, as a Calvinist, you agree that the sinner is condemned because of a lack of personal merit?

No. I'm not a Calvinist, except by reputation. "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." What is your point?

 

[Arial]

Yet there are those who have believed that they were saved in Calvinism (and trusted in those promises) and yet they did not endure to the end.

On what basis do you make that statement? Does it matter to you that we know that is just something you are saying and that there is no way you could know any such thing. You would have to talk to them after they died.

How do you know you were saved in the first place until or unless you endure to the end?

I have already told you. DId you forget or not hear?

 

[Arial]

Soil type #2, in the parable of the sower, is not of the elect; yet they believe for a while.

They believe.

Believing does not guarantee that one is of the elect.

Already covered and ignored.

 

[Arial]

Which verse?

It is responses like this that identify you as a troll. I have given an exegesis of that entire dialog on John 6 at least three times, and so have others.