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Justification by the faith OF Jesus Christ

Sir, your reasoning is not scriptural, to put it blunt and to the point. No pun intended, God forbid.

Jesus Christ was a complex person. Yes, he was God, not the second person of the Trinity for there is no such thing as one, two and three as the RCC wants us to believe concerning the Godhead~ there is one God, manifested to us as three, ONLY according to their work in the redemption of God's elect, and the human nature of Jesus Christ. 1st Timothy 3:16~"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Though a mystery we must separate Jesus' human nature form his Godhead as being the Mighty God, the everlasting father of all things.

His human nature was ignorant and he needed to grown from an infant into a man, so according to the scriptures he increased in wisdom, knowledge and understand, along with his faith in God! Luke 2:52~"And Jesus INCREASED in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." So, I ask you did Jesus increased in favor with God? How did he do so, since he was God? Only according to his human nature was this so. So, Jesus had faith and Jesus was obedience in his flesh as our surety~actually we were IN HIM and all he did was imputed to our account freely by God's grace, as though we did his faith and his obedience.

At twelve years old I was not obedience, yet was so IN CHRIST, being member of this elect body, he being the head thereof.

More later....RB
OK... I am yet again confused.

But being a year older then you I suppose that is to be expected.

Please correct me if I am wrong but have you not always said it was not our Faith that was important and saved up but it was Jesus' faith that did it? You would say it was the Faith of Jesus... not Faith in Jesus?
 
Yeah, IMO you went off on a tangent and equated FAITH = TRUST. Although I can see an element of TRUST in FAITH and I belief Saving Faith must include TRUST; nevertheless I do not feel FAITH = TRUST.

Hebrews 11:1 describes FAITH as: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen".
If this bible description of Faith is true you have IMO:

Premise 1: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen".
Premise 2: Definition of HOPE: To wish for a particular event that one considers possible.
Premise 3: God knows all things ... (He lacks no evidence; this is not uncertainty)
Conclusion: God does not have Faith
There is confusion about that. A part of that confusion derives from the English which has two words, belief and faith, or believe and have faith where the Greek has only one. The Greek noun is πίστις [pistis] meaning belief, faith ; the Greek verb is πιστεύω [pisteuō] meaning to believe. One can believe something or someone and one can believe IN something or someone. That is the same in English or Greek. To believe something or someone is mental assent, to agree or to concur. To believe IN something or someone is also mental assent but with the added aspect of trust.

The distinction in the Greek NT is that when there is the possibility of confusion whether the meaning is believe IN rather than believe, the Greek will, just as in English, add the comparable Greek word ἐν [in] or εἰς [unto, into]. Almost universally, in the NT where the English translation/interpretation is "faith" it carries the meaning of belief IN, denoting both assent and trust. I don't know of a single instance where the word faith is used when it does not connote belief IN, that is both assent and trust.
 
Yeah, IMO you went off on a tangent and equated FAITH = TRUST. Although I can see an element of TRUST in FAITH and I belief Saving Faith must include TRUST; nevertheless I do not feel FAITH = TRUST.

Hebrews 11:1 describes FAITH as: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen".
If this bible description of Faith is true you have IMO:

Premise 1: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen".
Premise 2: Definition of HOPE: To wish for a particular event that one considers possible.
Premise 3: God knows all things ... (He lacks no evidence; this is not uncertainty)
Conclusion: God does not have Faith
Faith is the title deed of things hoped for, the substantiating of things not seen.

If you have faith, then you have a sure and certain trust that the object of that faith is true. If it is faith for something to happen, then it's as if you held the title deed already, in your hand, because you are so sure of the reality. It gives the substance to what you cannot see, but know to be true.

Hope, in the biblical sense, is not merely wishing for something possible; rather, it is steadfast confidence for the future. It's like a "future" version of faith.
 
Why did you change the words, "in favor with God and men" (KJV), to "along with his faith in God"?
Greetings Jim~I was only explaining how Jesus grew in favor with God~by his obedience, faith, love, fear, etc., as flesh and blood, the sin offering prepared by God, and sent into world to do God's will.
Again:
Doing so certainly does nothing to support your (false) idea that Jesus had or needed faith in God.
He certainly was the second Adam per Romans 5; being so, he did what he first Adam could not do in flesh and blood~lived a life of perfect obedience, which included all that goes with being obedience......mainly faith, and all other godly fruits, that are mentioned in Galatians 5, etc.

The reason why you so strongly reject this gospel truth, is~ this truth totally removes man from having any part of his legal justification before God. Jim, the farer away you remove man from his justification from sin and condemnation, the closer to the truth of the gospel one comes. 1st Corinthians 1:29-31.
 
The fact that God exists in three Persons is important for several reasons.
God does not exists as three person~God is a Spirit that inhabits eternity, with no beginning and no end~eternal both ways.

I agree that God is manifest as three persons, "ONLY" in relation to the redemption of God's elect. The only God we will ever see with our eyes will be Jesus Christ who IS the TRUE GOD and eternal life. Jesus Christ as a man, will submit himself unto God when it is all said and done that God may be ALL in ALL. Truly, it is a mystery, yet revealed to us in the scriptures that very few and see and take hold of.

This is another subject for another time.
 
Greetings Jim~I was only explaining how Jesus grew in favor with God~by his obedience, faith, love, fear, etc., as flesh and blood, the sin offering prepared by God, and sent into world to do God's will.
Good morning, Red,
The problem with what you did with that insertion, that change in wording, adds the concept that Jesus had or needed faith in God, implying that He had no direct knowledge of God and thus had to rely on faith. That is absolutely false.
 
Good morning, Red,
The problem with what you did with that insertion, that change in wording, adds the concept that Jesus had or needed faith in God, implying that He had no direct knowledge of God and thus had to rely on faith. That is absolutely false.
Jim~We must separate Jesus' complex nature. He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh, and in human flesh as a man, he endured all that we go through yet without sinning. He LEARN obedience, his divine nature did not, for he posses the fulness of the Godhead, yet never used that power to overcome sin~he did so through his human nature.


Jim, Jesus was fully man, being so, he was God's lamb without spot, or blemish. Where does such scriptures as Isaiah 53 fit into your theology?

Isaiah 53:3-12~"He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
All of us have gone astray, yet God found one man that was perfect in his life, whereby, he could make his soul an offering for sin, because his Son magnified the law of God in living a perfect life of faith and obedience~he secured life for us that the first Adam could not do in his flesh!

I believe just as Paul preached:
Salvation from sin and condemnation is by grace through faith~that is, by the faith of Jesus Christ! See above how we used Ephesians 2:8,9 the the only way it can be interpreted.
 

WHAT IS ‘SOVEREIGN GRACE’? A.W. Pink

This is the free, pure Sovereign Grace of God: as it is written “Being justified FREELY by His grace” (Rom. 3:24). What is grace? It is God’s unmerited and uninfluenced favour, shown unto the undeserving and hell-deserving: neither human worthiness, works or willingness, attracting it, nor the lack of them repelling or obstructing it.

What could there be in me to win the favourable regard of Him who is of too pure eyes to behold evil, and move Him to justify me? NOTHING whatever; nay, there was everything in me calculated to make Him abhor and destroy me—my very self-righteous efforts to earn a place in Heaven deserving only a lower place in Hell.

If, then, I am ever to be “justified” by God it must be by PURE GRACE, AND THAT ALONE! Grace is the very essence of the Gospel—the only hope for fallen men, the sole comfort of saints passing through much tribulation on their way to the kingdom of God. The Gospel is the announcement that God is prepared to deal with guilty rebels on the ground of free favour, of pure benignity; that God will blot out sin, cover the believing sinner with a robe of spotless righteousness, and receive him as an accepted son: not on account of anything he has done or ever will do, but of sovereign mercy, acting independently of the sinner’s own character and deservings of eternal punishment.
Justification is perfectly gratuitous so far as we are concerned, nothing being required of us in order to it, either in the way of price and satisfaction or preparation and meetness. We have not the slightest degree of merit to offer as the ground of our acceptance, and therefore if God ever does accept us it must be out of unmingled grace. It is as “the God of all grace” (1 Peter 5:10) that Jehovah justifies the ungodly. It is as “the God of all grace” He seeks, finds, and saves His people: asking them for nothing, giving them everything. Strikingly is this brought out in that word “being justified FREELY by His grace” (Rom. 3:24), the design of that adverb being to exclude all consideration of anything in us or from us which should be the cause or condition of our justification.

That same Greek adverb is translated “WITHOUT A CAUSE” in John 15:25—“they hated Me without a cause.” The world’s hatred of Christ was “without a cause” so far as He was concerned: there was nothing whatever in Him which, to the slightest degree, deserved their enmity against Him: there was nothing in Him unjust, perverse, or evil; instead, there was everything in Him which was pure, holy, lovely. In like manner, there is nothing whatever in us to call forth the approbation of God: by nature there is “no good thing” in us; but instead, everything that is evil, vile, loathsome.

“Being justified without a cause by His GRACE.” How this tells out the very heart of God! While there was no motive to move Him, outside of Himself, there was one inside Himself; while there was nothing in us to impel God to justify us, His own grace moved Him, so that He devised a way whereby His wondrous love could have vent and flow forth to the chief of sinners, the vilest of rebels. As it is written, “I, even I, am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for Mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins” (Isa. 43:25).
Wondrous, matchless grace! We cannot for a moment look outside the grace of God for any motive or reason why He should ever have noticed us, still less had respect unto such ungodly wretches. The first moving cause, then, that inclined God to show mercy to His people in their undone and lost condition, was His own wondrous grace—unsought, uninfluenced, unmerited by us. He might justly have left us all obnoxious to the curse of His Law, without providing any Surety for us, as He did the fallen angels; but such was His grace toward us that “He spared not His own Son.”

“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which He shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by His grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life” (Titus 3:5–7). It was His own sovereign favour and good will which actuated God to form this wondrous scheme and method of justification.

Against what has been said above, it has been objected by Socinians and their echoists that this cannot be: if the believing sinner is justified upon the grounds of a full satisfaction having been made to God for him by a surety, then his discharge from condemnation and his reception into God’s judicial favour must be an act of pure justice, and therefore could not be by grace. Or, if it be purely an act of Divine grace, then no surety can have obeyed the law in the believer’s stead. But this is to confound two distinct things: the relation of God to Christ the Surety, and the relation of God to me the sinner.

It was grace which transferred my sins to Christ; it was justice which smote Christ on account of those sins. It was grace which appointed me unto everlasting bliss; it is justice to Christ which requires I shall enjoy that which He purchased for me. Toward the sinner justification is an act of free unmerited favour; but toward Christ, as a sinner’s Surety, it is an act of justice that eternal life should be bestowed upon those for whom His meritorious satisfaction was made.
First, it was pure grace that God was willing to accept satisfaction from the hands of a surety. He might have exacted the debt from us in our own persons, and then our condition had been equally miserable as that of the fallen angels, for whom no mediator was provided. Second, it was wondrous grace that God Himself provided a Surety for us, which we could not have done. The only creatures who are capable of performing perfect obedience are the holy angels, yet none of them could have assumed and met our obligations, for they are not akin to us, possessing not human nature, and therefore incapable of dying.
Even had an angel became incarnate, his obedience to the law could not have availed for the whole of God’s elect, for it would not have possessed infinite value. None but a Divine person taking human nature into union with Himself could present unto God a satisfaction adequate for the redemption of His people. And it was impossible for men to have found out that Mediator and Surety: it must have its first rise in God, and not from us: it was He that “found” a ransom (Job 33:24) and laid help upon One that is “mighty” (Psa. 89:19).
In the last place, it was amazing grace that the Son was willing to perform such a work for us, without whose consent the justice of God could not have exacted the debt from Him. And His grace is the most eminent in that He knew beforehand all the unspeakable humiliation and unparalleled suffering which He would encounter in the discharge of this work, yet that did not deter Him; nor was He unapprised (or without knowledge) of the character of those for whom He did it—the guilty, the ungodly, the hell-deserving; yet He shrank not back.
“O to grace how great a debtor,
Daily I’m constrained to be!
Let Thy grace, Lord, like a fetter,
Bind my wandering heart to Thee.”
Hallelujah
 
Jim~We must separate Jesus' complex nature. He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh, and in human flesh as a man, he endured all that we go through yet without sinning. He LEARN obedience, his divine nature did not, for he posses the fulness of the Godhead, yet never used that power to overcome sin~he did so through his human nature.
I am a little confused about what you are trying to say there. Are you saying that Jesus had a sinful nature, and yet did not sin? Or are you saying He didn't have a sinful nature, and that is why He didn't sin.

Jim, Jesus was fully man, being so, he was God's lamb without spot, or blemish. Where does such scriptures as Isaiah 53 fit into your theology?
I have no problem with Isaiah 53. I tells us that Jesus was indeed a human being that suffered as a human being and yet was the source for or salvation, paying the debt for our sin. In fact, the only thing that would even identify Jesus as the one Isaiah is speaking about is the phrase in verse 1, "the arm of the Lord". And even that is a revelation only long after Isaiah given by John the Baptist. I don't understand what any of that has to do with your position that Jesus needed and had faith in God, meaning that He, Jesus, did not know God, except as we know God, through God's revelation.

All of us have gone astray, yet God found one man that was perfect in his life, whereby, he could make his soul an offering for sin, because his Son magnified the law of God in living a perfect life of faith and obedience~he secured life for us that the first Adam could not do in his flesh!
I would rewrite that statement to read, All of us have gone astray, yet the Son of God was the one man that was perfect in his life, whereby, he could make his life an offering for sin, because his Son magnified the law of God in living a perfect life of obedience~he secured life for us that we could not do for ourselves!
I believe just as Paul preached:
And I also believe just as Paul preached. But your view of such passages as Romans 3:22, Galatians 2:16; 3:22; and Revelation14:12 which the KJV reads as "faith of Jesus" is simply a poor translation/interpretation of what Paul (and John) actually wrote; the correct translation/interpretation being, as nearly every other English translation, "faith in Jesus"

The very idea that Jesus, the Son of God, needed or had faith in God is just not right.
 

WHAT IS ‘SOVEREIGN GRACE’? A.W. Pink

This is the free, pure Sovereign Grace of God: as it is written “Being justified FREELY by His grace” (Rom. 3:24). What is grace? It is God’s unmerited and uninfluenced favour, shown unto the undeserving and hell-deserving: neither human worthiness, works or willingness, attracting it, nor the lack of them repelling or obstructing it.

What could there be in me to win the favourable regard of Him who is of too pure eyes to behold evil, and move Him to justify me? NOTHING whatever; nay, there was everything in me calculated to make Him abhor and destroy me—my very self-righteous efforts to earn a place in Heaven deserving only a lower place in Hell.

If, then, I am ever to be “justified” by God it must be by PURE GRACE, AND THAT ALONE! Grace is the very essence of the Gospel—the only hope for fallen men, the sole comfort of saints passing through much tribulation on their way to the kingdom of God. The Gospel is the announcement that God is prepared to deal with guilty rebels on the ground of free favour, of pure benignity; that God will blot out sin, cover the believing sinner with a robe of spotless righteousness, and receive him as an accepted son: not on account of anything he has done or ever will do, but of sovereign mercy, acting independently of the sinner’s own character and deservings of eternal punishment.
Justification is perfectly gratuitous so far as we are concerned, nothing being required of us in order to it, either in the way of price and satisfaction or preparation and meetness. We have not the slightest degree of merit to offer as the ground of our acceptance, and therefore if God ever does accept us it must be out of unmingled grace. It is as “the God of all grace” (1 Peter 5:10) that Jehovah justifies the ungodly. It is as “the God of all grace” He seeks, finds, and saves His people: asking them for nothing, giving them everything. Strikingly is this brought out in that word “being justified FREELY by His grace” (Rom. 3:24), the design of that adverb being to exclude all consideration of anything in us or from us which should be the cause or condition of our justification.

That same Greek adverb is translated “WITHOUT A CAUSE” in John 15:25—“they hated Me without a cause.” The world’s hatred of Christ was “without a cause” so far as He was concerned: there was nothing whatever in Him which, to the slightest degree, deserved their enmity against Him: there was nothing in Him unjust, perverse, or evil; instead, there was everything in Him which was pure, holy, lovely. In like manner, there is nothing whatever in us to call forth the approbation of God: by nature there is “no good thing” in us; but instead, everything that is evil, vile, loathsome.

“Being justified without a cause by His GRACE.” How this tells out the very heart of God! While there was no motive to move Him, outside of Himself, there was one inside Himself; while there was nothing in us to impel God to justify us, His own grace moved Him, so that He devised a way whereby His wondrous love could have vent and flow forth to the chief of sinners, the vilest of rebels. As it is written, “I, even I, am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for Mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins” (Isa. 43:25).
Wondrous, matchless grace! We cannot for a moment look outside the grace of God for any motive or reason why He should ever have noticed us, still less had respect unto such ungodly wretches. The first moving cause, then, that inclined God to show mercy to His people in their undone and lost condition, was His own wondrous grace—unsought, uninfluenced, unmerited by us. He might justly have left us all obnoxious to the curse of His Law, without providing any Surety for us, as He did the fallen angels; but such was His grace toward us that “He spared not His own Son.”

“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which He shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by His grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life” (Titus 3:5–7). It was His own sovereign favour and good will which actuated God to form this wondrous scheme and method of justification.

Against what has been said above, it has been objected by Socinians and their echoists that this cannot be: if the believing sinner is justified upon the grounds of a full satisfaction having been made to God for him by a surety, then his discharge from condemnation and his reception into God’s judicial favour must be an act of pure justice, and therefore could not be by grace. Or, if it be purely an act of Divine grace, then no surety can have obeyed the law in the believer’s stead. But this is to confound two distinct things: the relation of God to Christ the Surety, and the relation of God to me the sinner.

It was grace which transferred my sins to Christ; it was justice which smote Christ on account of those sins. It was grace which appointed me unto everlasting bliss; it is justice to Christ which requires I shall enjoy that which He purchased for me. Toward the sinner justification is an act of free unmerited favour; but toward Christ, as a sinner’s Surety, it is an act of justice that eternal life should be bestowed upon those for whom His meritorious satisfaction was made.
First, it was pure grace that God was willing to accept satisfaction from the hands of a surety. He might have exacted the debt from us in our own persons, and then our condition had been equally miserable as that of the fallen angels, for whom no mediator was provided. Second, it was wondrous grace that God Himself provided a Surety for us, which we could not have done. The only creatures who are capable of performing perfect obedience are the holy angels, yet none of them could have assumed and met our obligations, for they are not akin to us, possessing not human nature, and therefore incapable of dying.
Even had an angel became incarnate, his obedience to the law could not have availed for the whole of God’s elect, for it would not have possessed infinite value. None but a Divine person taking human nature into union with Himself could present unto God a satisfaction adequate for the redemption of His people. And it was impossible for men to have found out that Mediator and Surety: it must have its first rise in God, and not from us: it was He that “found” a ransom (Job 33:24) and laid help upon One that is “mighty” (Psa. 89:19).
In the last place, it was amazing grace that the Son was willing to perform such a work for us, without whose consent the justice of God could not have exacted the debt from Him. And His grace is the most eminent in that He knew beforehand all the unspeakable humiliation and unparalleled suffering which He would encounter in the discharge of this work, yet that did not deter Him; nor was He unapprised (or without knowledge) of the character of those for whom He did it—the guilty, the ungodly, the hell-deserving; yet He shrank not back.
“O to grace how great a debtor,
Daily I’m constrained to be!
Let Thy grace, Lord, like a fetter,
Bind my wandering heart to Thee.”
Hallelujah
Yes, Red, I am familiar with Pink with his Calvinist view of things. Given our extensive interactions over the years, you know I am reasonably well read in such writings.
 
All of us have gone astray, yet God found one man that was perfect in his life, whereby, he could make his soul an offering for sin, because his Son magnified the law of God in living a perfect life of faith and obedience~he secured life for us that the first Adam could not do in his flesh!
Found?

FOUND?

What did He do? Let His fingers do the walking through the yellow pages.
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God the Father did not find anything. God the Holy Spirit came upon the mortal woman Mary and the rest
is prophetic fulfillment.

I know you will say no that is not correct. IDC. I stand by this.
 
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Found?

FOUND?

What did He do? Let His fingers do the walking through the yellow pages. View attachment 506

God the Father did not find anything. God the Holy Spirit came upon the mortal woman Mary and the rest
is prophetic fulfillment.

I know you will say no that is not correct. IDC. I stand by this.
Psalms 89:20~"I have FOUND David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:"

David in Psalms 89 is Christ!


The yellow pages are obsolete~the scriptures are not.
 
I am a little confused about what you are trying to say there. Are you saying that Jesus had a sinful nature, and yet did not sin? Or are you saying He didn't have a sinful nature, and that is why He didn't sin.
Jim~We must separate Jesus' complex nature. He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh, and in human flesh as a man, he endured all that we go through yet without sinning.
Is exactly what I said~he was made in the LIKENESS of sinful flesh~yet was not through Adam's posterity, but was God's only begotten Son, begotten in the manner in which he was~conceived by the Holy Ghost' power. He was free from indwelling sin, or the sin nature. All of Adam's posterity are born with sin in their members~and at enmity against God. By the fact he did not sin, proved that he was indeed the Son of the Living God by the spirit of holiness. He was indeed tempted in all points as we are, yet without sin. He did not sin because of his love for his God, his strong faith in Him!
 
Is exactly what I said~he was made in the LIKENESS of sinful flesh~yet was not through Adam's posterity.......
But of course He was born through Adam's posterity, Mary. The gospel of Matthew declares Jesus to be descended from David and Abraham both of whom traced their ancestors all the way back to Adam.
 
But of course He was born through Adam's posterity, Mary. The gospel of Matthew declares Jesus to be descended from David and Abraham both of whom traced their ancestors all the way back to Adam.
Adam is through whom we inherit the sin nature, as he stands as the representative of all mankind. Born in Adam. And the Bible says He was the descendant of David according to the flesh, making a clear distinction between being born in Adam and born of God.
 
But of course He was born through Adam's posterity, Mary. The gospel of Matthew declares Jesus to be descended from David and Abraham both of whom traced their ancestors all the way back to Adam.
Ver. 3. — For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, and sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin condemned sin in the flesh:

This was the remedy which God provided; therefore it was the best remedy. It was the highest possible remedy; therefore there could be no other. It would be inconsistent with infinite wisdom to employ means greater than are necessary in order to accomplish an end. The law was strong to perform its own office, — that is, to justify all by whom it was perfectly obeyed. Its weakness was through the flesh, — that is, the guilt and corruption of our nature. The weakness is not in the law; it is in man. God sending His own Son. — God sent His Son to do that which the law could not do. He sent Him in consequence of His great love to His people, 1 John 4:9; and as the accomplishment of His Divine purpose, Acts 4:28. The object, then, of Christ’s mission was not merely that of a messenger or witness; it was to effect the salvation of guilty sinners in the way of righteousness. He did what the law could not do. The law could justify those only by whom it was observed; but it could not justify or save those who should violate even the least of its commands. But Christ Jesus both justifies and saves the ungodly.

His own son — Christ was God’s own Son in the literal sense. It is on this supposition only that the sending of Him is a manifestation of infinite love to men. There is no more appearance of any figurative meaning in the use of this appellation, when ascribed to Jesus Christ, than there is when Isaac is called the son of Abraham. He is here emphatically called not only the Son of God, but the Son of Himself, or His own Son — His very Son.

Godhead of Christ explain the passages that assert His sonship as referring to His incarnation. That the phrase Son of God imports the Divine nature of Jesus Christ, there can be no doubt, John 5:18.

Adam is called the son of God because he was created by the immediate exercise of Divine power. The elect angels are called the sons of God on account of their creation, and the greatness of their condition; believers, by the right of their adoption and regeneration; but none except the Messiah is called the Only-begotten of the Father. These words, ‘I have begotten Thee,’ are indeed applied to Jesus Christ, Acts 13:33, not with respect to His eternal generation, but to His resurrection and establishment in the priesthood; and import that He was thus made known to be the Son of God, as it is said, Romans 1:4, that He was declared to be the Son of God with power, by His resurrection from the dead. The exaltation of Jesus Christ, whether in His office of Mediator or in sovereign glory, is the authoritative declaration of the Father that He was His Son, His only-begotten Son; and this is signified in the second Psalm. There, the elevation of Jesus Christ to the sovereign dominion of the world is spoken of. ‘I have set My King upon My holy hill of Zion.’ It is as to the act of His elevation that this declaration is made. ‘I will declare the decree: The Lord hath said unto Me, Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten Thee.’ Thus, according to the usual style of Scripture, things are said to be done when they are declared or publicly manifested. When it is said, ‘This day have I begotten Thee, the eternal Godhead of the Savior, which had been before concealed, was brought to light and fully discovered. In the likeness of sinful flesh. — Jesus Christ was sent, not in the likeness of flesh, but in the flesh. He was sent, however, not in sinful flesh, but in the likeness of sinful flesh. Nothing can more clearly prove that the Lord Jesus Christ, though He assumed our nature, took it without taint of sin or corruption. To His perfect holiness the Scriptures bear the fullest testimony. ‘He knew no sin.’ ‘The prince of this world cometh and hath nothing in Me.’ He was ‘holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners.’

His absolute freedom from sin was indispensable. As God becoming manifest in the flesh, He could not unite Himself to a nature tainted with the smallest impurity. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Ghost, and did not spring from Adam by "ordinary generation"; and, not belonging to his covenant, had no part in his sin. His freedom from sin, original and actual was absolutely necessary, in order that He should be offered as ‘a Lamb without blemish and without spot,’ so that He might be the truth of His types, the legal sacrifices, which it was expressly provided should be free from all blemish; thus distinctly indicating this transcendent characteristic of Him who was to be the one great sacrifice.

If the flesh of Jesus Christ was the likeness of sinful flesh, there must be a difference between the appearance of sinful flesh and our nature, or flesh in its original state when Adam was created. Christ, then, was not made in the likeness of the flesh of man before sin entered the world, but in the likeness of his fallen flesh. Though He had no corruption in His nature, yet He had all the sinless infirmities of our flesh. The person of man, in his present state, may be greatly different from what it was when Adam came from the hand of his Creator. Our bodies, as they are at present, are called ‘the bodies of our humiliation,’ Philippians 3:21. Jesus Christ was made in man’s present likeness.

And for sin. — The reason of the mission of our Lord Jesus Christ into the world — of His incarnation and humiliation — was the abolition of sin, its destruction, both as to its guilt and power. The same expression occurs, 1 Peter 3:18, ‘Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God.’ It is sin that is the cause of separation from God; and by its removal reconciliation is made, and peace restored.

Condemned sin in the flesh. — Here, by the flesh is meant, not the body of Jesus Christ only, but His human nature. In this sense the word flesh is used where it is said, ‘the Word was made flesh,’ — that is to say, was made man, and took our nature, composed of body and soul. The nature and the person who suffered must also be distinguished. Respecting the person, it is Jesus Christ, God and man; as to the nature in which He suffered, it is in the flesh. Of the person we can say that it is God, as the Apostle says that God hath purchased the Church with His own blood, and consequently that His suffering was of infinite value, since it is that of an infinite person; and this is the more evident, since Jesus Christ is Mediator in both His natures, and not in His human nature only. For if this were so, His suffering would be finite, since His human nature, in which alone He could suffer, by which He offered His sacrifice, was in itself only finite; and if He had been Mediator only as to His human nature — which, however, could not be, as He represents both God and man — He could not have been the Mediator of the Old Testament, when He had not taken the human nature. And as it is necessary that, in regard to His person, we should consider Jesus Christ suffering, it is also necessary that we consider that it was in the flesh that He suffered, — that is to say, in our nature, which He took and joined personally to the Divine nature. In this we may admire the wisdom of God, who caused sin to be punished and destroyed in the human nature, in which it had been committed. Condemned sin. — Condemnation is here taken for the punishment of sin.

God punished sin in Christ’s human nature. This is the method that God took to justify sinners. It was God who, by His determinate counsel and foreknowledge, Acts 2:23, punished sin by inflicting those sufferings on Christ of which men were only the instruments. Sin had corrupted the flesh of man, and in that very flesh it was condemned. The guilt and punishment of sin are eminently seen in the death of Christ. Nowhere else is sin so completely judged and condemned. What must be its demerit, if it could be atoned for by nothing but the death of the Son of God? and what can afford clearer evidence of God’s determination to punish sin to the utmost extent of its demerit, than that He thus punished it even when laid on the head of His only-begotten Son.

In all this we see the Father assuming the place of judge against His Son, in order to become the Father of those who were His enemies. The Father condemns the Son of His love, that He may absolve the children of wrath.

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If we inquire into the cause that moved God to save us by such means, what can we say, but that it proceeded from His incomprehensible wisdom, His ineffable goodness, and the unfathomable depth of His mercies? For what was there in man that could induce the Creator to act in this manner, since He saw nothing in him, after his rebellion by sin, but what was hateful and offensive? And what was it but His love that passeth knowledge which induced the only-begotten Son of God to take the form of a servant, to humble Himself even to the death of the cross, and to submit to be despised and rejected of men? These are the things into which the angels desire to look.

But besides the love of God, we see the wonderful display of His justice in condemning sin in His Son, rather than allowing it to go unpunished. In this assuredly the work of redemption surpasses that of creation. In creation God had made nothing that was not good, and nothing especially on which He could exercise the rigor of His justice; but here He punishes our sins to the utmost in Jesus Christ. It may be inquired if, when God condemned sin in His Son, we are to understand this of God the Father, so as to exclude the Son; or if we can say that God the Son also condemned sin in Himself. This can undoubtedly be affirmed; for in the Father and the Son there is only one will and one regard for justice; so that, as it was the will of the Father to require satisfaction for sin from the Son, it was also the will of the Son to humble Himself, and to condemn sin in Himself. We must, however, distinguish between Jesus Christ considered as God, and as our Surety and Mediator. As God, He condemns and punishes sin; as Mediator, He is Himself condemned and punished for sin.

When sin was condemned or punished in the Son of God, to suppose that He felt nothing more than bodily pain, would be to conclude that He had less confidence in God than many martyrs who have gone to death cheerfully, and without fear. The extremity of the pain He suffered when He said in the garden, ‘My soul is sorrowful even unto death,’ was the sentiment of the wrath of God against sin, from which martyrs felt themselves delivered. For the curse of the law is principally spiritual, namely, privation of communion with God in the sense of His wrath.
Jesus Christ, therefore, was made a curse for us, as the Apostle says, Galatians 3:13, proving it by the declaration, ‘Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.’ For this punishment of the cross was the figure and symbol of the spiritual curse of God. As in His body, then, He suffered this most accursed punishment, so likewise in His soul He suffered those pains that are most insupportable, such as are suffered by those finally condemned. But that was only for a short time, the infinity of His person rendering that suffering equivalent to that of an infinity of time. Such, then, was the grief which He experienced when on the cross He cried, ‘My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?’ What forsaking was this, unless that for a time God left Him to feel the weight of His indignation against sin? This feeling is the sovereign evil of the soul, in which consists the griefs of eternal death; as, on the other hand, the sovereign good of the soul, and that in which the happiness of eternal life consists, is to enjoy gracious communion with God.

In this verse we see the ground of the Apostle’s declaration, that there is now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, because their sin was punished in Him. This is according to numerous other passages in Scripture, as, Isaiah 53:4-6; Galatians 3:13; 1 Peter 2:24; Revelation 5:9; and, as it is said in 1 Timothy 2:6, ‘who gave Himself a ransom for all.’ For our sins are debts of which the payment and the satisfaction for them is their punishment — a payment without which we were held captives under the wrath and by the justice of God. All this shows that sin was really punished in Jesus Christ; and it is evident that, according to the justice and truth of God, such a punishment was necessary in order to our redemption. .......Much of this is from the pen of Robert Haldane
 
Adam is through whom we inherit the sin nature, as he stands as the representative of all mankind. Born in Adam. And the Bible says He was the descendant of David according to the flesh, making a clear distinction between being born in Adam and born of God.
All mankind is a descendant of Adam according to the flesh. Jesus was clearly a descendant of Adam through Mary. How was Jesus not therefore a descendant of Adam according to the flesh?
 
Red, much of what you posted (from Robert Haldane?) I agree with; some I do not. No surprise there. The problem is that I don't see how that answers my question or my concern about Jesus not having the "sin nature" that is an integral feature for the entire human race. If he didn't sin because He didn't have a sin nature, then why did Adam sin because I think according to the Calvinist doctrine, Adam didn't have a sin nature initially either.
 
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