Jesus is God {title edited}

[Mr GLee]

I know all of you who believe Jesus is God do not believe Jesus' word.

You guys are behaving like Pharisees who killed Jesus.

Did you mean the words given to Jesus the prophet apostle were of the Holy father.

The same words that are given to us (sola scriptura) Today we have the perfect with no laws missing till the end of time under the sun.

Jesus the prophet was given words from the Holy Father lovingly commands us to cal no sinner on earth Holy Father (Pope or daysman) One is our adopting Father in heaven the same are in his family .

Is Jesus the Son of man your brother in the Lord and Mary your sister?

By His Holy Spirit yoked with Christ we can cry out out Abba Father (the Spirit of sonship) .

Jesus our born again brother in Christ was given word from the Father. Our brother Jesus infallibly declared . . ."whosoever does the will of His Father (our Father) belong to His family as sons of God. . born again from above.

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

 

[Mr GLee]

I still am not sure why they don't directly believe Jesus about who Thomas' God is. Didn't he say the God of his brothers is the Father? Jesus' brothers are the disciples.

Matt 12
49Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers.

So doesn't it follow that when Thomas said "my God" he was calling out to the Father?

Yes faithless Thomas was not calling out to Son of man Jesus our brother in the lord . . . but was to the unseen Holy Father .

 

[Fred]

I still am not sure why they don't directly believe Jesus about who Thomas' God is. Didn't he say the God of his brothers is the Father? Jesus' brothers are the disciples.

Matt 12
49Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers.

So doesn't it follow that when Thomas said "my God" he was calling out to the Father?

No, because "my Lord" was also in reference to Jesus in John 20:28.

 

[Runningman]

No, because "my Lord" was also in reference to Jesus in John 20:28.

The Father is a Lord. Do you deny that too? And Jesus' proclamation about who Thomas' God is is standing firm, not going anywhere.

John 20:17 = Thomas' God is the Father
John 20:28 = When Thomas called out to God he was referring to the Father. Thomas isn't a heretic.

 

[Runningman]

Their denial of Jesus' word shows unbelief.

Indeed. There are many unbelievers who attach themselves to the title "Christian" and quote Bible verses. They call them tares, goats, etc.

They may visually look like wheat or sheep, but to the discerning eye they are wolves in sheep's clothing.

 

[Fred]

The Father is a Lord. Do you deny that too?

Irrelevant, because He is not being referred to as "Lord" in John 20:28 - nor is the Father being referred to as "God" in John 20:28.

Both Lord and God are properly used in reference to Jesus in John 20:28.

 

[Runningman]

Irrelevant, because He is not being referred to as "Lord" in John 20:28 - nor is the Father being referred to as "God" in John 20:28.

Both Lord and God are properly used in reference to Jesus in John 20:28.

The Father is the Lord of heaven and earth and Jesus said Thomas' God is the Father in John 20:17. Jesus isn't Thomas' god. No one in the Bible called Jesus God. In this context, since the one being called God is the Father then Lord is mutually exclusive with Thomas' statement in reference to the Father. The Father is the Lord and God of Thomas just as much as the Father is Jesus' Lord and God.


Matt 11
25At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 20
17“Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’ ”

John 20
28Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!”

 

[Fred]

The Father is the Lord of heaven and earth

But He isn't being referred to as "Lord" in John 20:28.

 

[Runningman]

But He isn't being referred to as "Lord" in John 20:28.

Jesus isn't both Lord "and" God though therefore it doesn't follow from John 20:17 that Thomas is calling Jesus God.

 

[Fred]

Jesus isn't both Lord "and" God though therefore it doesn't follow from John 20:17 that Thomas is calling Jesus God.

Just as the One who is Lord is also God in Revelation 4:11, the One who is Lord is also God in John 20:28.

"our Lord and our God" (Revelation 4:11)

"my Lord and my God" (John 20:28)



Thanks for making this very easy for me.

 

[Runningman]

Just as the One who is Lord is also God in Revelation 4:11, the One who is Lord is also God in John 20:28.

"our Lord and our God" (Revelation 4:11)

"my Lord and my God" (Jon 20:28)



Thanks for making this very easy for me.

The one in Revelation 4:11 in that context is the Lord God Almighty, the creator of heaven and earth, from whom all things came. That is once again none other than the Father according to Jesus in Matt 11:25 and Paul in Acts 17:24 and 1 Corinthians 8:6. Furthermore, the Lord God Almighty is not the Lamb. They are not the same person at all per Revelation 21:22.

And yet John 20:17 is still there with Jesus bluntly stating that Thomas' God is the Father. When Thomas said "my Lord and my God" he was referring to the Father.

Why do you insist on not believing this?

 

[Fred]

When Thomas said "my Lord and my God" he was referring to the Father.

Lord and God in Revelation 4:11 --> Same referent
Lord and God in John 20:28 --> Same referent (Jesus)

 

[Runningman]

Lord and God in Revelation 4:11 --> Same referent
Lord and God in John 20:28 --> Same referent (Jesus)

The Lord and God in Revelation 4:11 is the Lord God Almighty. That's the Father. If that's what you're saying then we actually agree because Jesus isn't the Lord God Almighty according to scripture.

Revelation 21
22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

 

[Fred]

The Lord and God in Revelation 4:11 is the Lord God Almighty. That's the Father.

The Lord and God in John 20:28 is Jesus.

 

[Runningman]

The Lord and God in John 20:28 is the Jesus.

Nope. Jesus said Thomas' God is the Father in John 20:17 therefore when Thomas said "my Lord and my God" then Thomas was referring to the Father.

 

[Fred]

Nope. Jesus said Thomas' God is the Father in John 20:17 therefore when Thomas said "my Lord and my God" then Thomas was referring to the Father.

Besides yourself, name any other person at any time who said the "Lord" in John 20:28 refers to the Father.

 

[Runningman]

Besides yourself, name any other person at any time who said the "Lord" in John 20:28 refers to the Father.

It's everywhere from Genesis to Malachi and Jesus called the Father the "Lord of heaven and earth" in Matt 11:25. Thomas called the Father Lord and God in John 20:28. It's all over the Bible. If you don't want to believe it I can't wrest you away from your unbelief using scripture. Perhaps prayer would be a good start for you.

 

[grace2]

You guys who believe Jesus is God won't take heed of most of the things Jesus says.

Do you know Jesus says narrow is the way to life and only a few finds it?

Do you know that triune god believers are one of the world's biggest religions?

 

[prism]

You guys who believe Jesus is God won't take heed of most of the things Jesus says.

Do you mean like, ...
John 8:58-59 NKJV
Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." [59] Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. (Even the Jews knew what He was claiming.)

Do you know Jesus says narrow is the way to life and only a few finds it?

The Way is as narrow as the cross is wide. Have you come to Jesus via the cross or your own works?

Do you know that triune god believers are one of the world's biggest religions?

Does that disqualify Jesus from being God? Did you know 'works based religions' encompasses the majority of religions?

If Jesus is not God, how can He be the intermediator for those who pray, hearing and answering thousands of prayers simultaneously?

 

[Eleanor]

So you believe Jesus lied.

Sad.

Strawman. . .