The Word was with God and the Word was God. . .the Word became flesh and dwelt among us (Jn 1:1, 14)
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Jesus says His Father is His God.
Yes, Jesus was both God (Jn 1:1) and man (Jn 1:14).
God is both the Father of Jesus (Lk 1:35) and the God of Jesus.
So you believe Jesus lied?
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I could be wrong, but for now I seriously don't think it's essential to believe the
really heavy stuff about Jesus in order to take advantage of his crucifixion to escape
full retribution at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 whereby a
number of unfortunate folk will have to undergo a mode of death akin to a foundry
worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.
I recommend putting one's private search for the heavy stuff on hold for now and
wait for The Lord himself to decide whether we have a legitimate need to know
because some things can't be sleuthed; they have to be brought out.
"No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the
Son; and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him." (Matt 11:27)
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I could be wrong, but for now I seriously don't think it's essential to believe the
really heavy stuff about Jesus in order to take advantage of his crucifixion to escape
full retribution at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 whereby a
number of unfortunate folk will have to undergo a mode of death akin to a foundry
worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.
I recommend putting one's private search for the heavy stuff on hold for now and
wait for The Lord himself to decide whether we have a legitimate need to know
because some things can't be sleuthed; they have to be brought out.
"No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the
Son; and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him." (Matt 11:27)
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And this verse says to you Jesus is not God?
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he has no clue.
Strawman. . .
No more than you believe that both John in Jn 1:1, 1:4, and Jesus in the following lied:
Heb 1:6, Mt 2:2, 11, 14:33, 28:9, 17, Lk 24:52, Jn 9:38, 20:28-29 -- where Jeusus prescribed and accepted worship of himself as God, without correction or reprimand (as in Mt 4:10, Ac 10:25-26, 14:14-15, Rev 19:10, 22:9);
Jn 5:23, 14:1 prescribing worship of himself, which was prophesied in Da 7:13-14.
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Near as I can tell, she considers Christ's death symbolic. I don't think she would admit to that but that is what it amounts to. A human created to kill and then say "OK. I forgive your sins now. I have vented my wrath."
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Are believers in the trinity saved?
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Yes that is correct. In this verse Jesus informed the readers who his God is and who his brothers' God is. In John 20:28, when Thomas said "my God" he didn't contradict Jesus and lay claim to a different god aside from the Father. Thomas openly declared his God is the Father.
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He says His Father is His God.
And the Bible and Jesus say God is one.
So you don't believe Jesus' word.
Sad.
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I don’t believe? No friend, it’s just the opposite.
Sadly I believe a false teacher has deceived you.
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That's rather a deliberate misrepresentation of what @Eleanor said, I think. Don't do that. If you think she contradicts something Jesus said, or something in the Bible, say so, and show how she did so.
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Do you honestly believe @Carbon doesn't believe Jesus word? Just show how he contradicts it, instead of throwing these pretended manipulations up. Be honest. Attitude wins (and loses) fights, not debates.
I know all of you who believe Jesus is God do not believe Jesus' word.
You guys are behaving like Pharisees who killed Jesus.
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I still am not sure why they don't directly believe Jesus about who Thomas' God is. Didn't he say the God of his brothers is the Father? Jesus' brothers are the disciples.
Matt 12
49Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers.
So doesn't it follow that when Thomas said "my God" he was calling out to the Father?
Their denial of Jesus' word shows unbelief.
