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God Would Not Command What We Cannot Do

Aside: I need to change my forum image from a 'comedian' to someone that looks intelligent like @Carbon 's image if I am to be taken seriously. *giggle*
Oh gosh. If I had just a smidgen of B. B. Warfield's intelligence, I'd be somebody.
 
In Romans 10:5-8 Paul referenced Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God’s law is not to difficult to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So the people who say that are denying the word of faith that we proclaim.
Keeping God law doesn't save anyone. All sin and fall short....or do you not sin?
 
Oh gosh. If I had just a smidgen of B. B. Warfield's intelligence, I'd be somebody.
For what it's worth.... I think your "somebody". You're doing a great job.
 
Indeed, someone could give the command to jump to the moon in order to prove that we can’t do that, so I agree that a command does not imply ability, but it would be completely pointless to do that and we would not be at fault for failing to do that. Yes, we can keep all of the Mosaic Law that applies to us.
Pointless? Is that defining God by humanity? God's commands come from God himself, who he is, as our creator and who created us in his image and likeness. As bearers of his image we are to be morally perfect just as he is. There is nothing pointless about it. It is perfect.

It is the law of God, his commandments that show us how far we have fallen, how helpless we are to rectify the situation, and drive us to Christ who rectified it for us by what?-----his perfect righteousness and giving himself as a ransom, bearing our penalty on his body on the cross. Making it possible to impute his righteousness to those who are united with him through faith. Grace, grace, and grace.
 
Pointless? Is that defining God by humanity? God's commands come from God himself, who he is, as our creator and who created us in his image and likeness. As bearers of his image we are to be morally perfect just as he is. There is nothing pointless about it. It is perfect.

It is the law of God, his commandments that show us how far we have fallen, how helpless we are to rectify the situation, and drive us to Christ who rectified it for us by what?-----his perfect righteousness and giving himself as a ransom, bearing our penalty on his body on the cross. Making it possible to impute his righteousness to those who are united with him through faith. Grace, grace, and grace.
And, Amen!
 
Indeed, someone could give the command to jump to the moon in order to prove that we can’t do that, so I agree that a command does not imply ability, but it would be completely pointless to do that and we would not be at fault for failing to do that. Yes, we can keep all of the Mosaic Law that applies to us.
Which law is that?
 
I agree. Supplemental question: Was Adam's behavior in any way independent of God? (as in Adam was the First Cause of a part of his behavior)
No. It was God's intent that he would sin. It was God who gave him a will. It was Adam's will that chose the sin.
 
I wonder what "perfect" means. Would it include getting 100% on all school tests or asked questions?

My theological definition: God’s perfection was defined in such a way as to show that he does not lack anything that would be desirable for him.
Morally perfect.
 
If God commanded what we could not do, then we would not be at fault for not doing it.

Yes, we can keep all of the Mosaic law that applies to us.

Someone already beat me to the question, but I will repeat it because it's just that important:
  • "Can you keep even the first commandment?"
Again, the very first command is, "You shall have no other gods before me."
 
Someone already beat me to the question, but I will repeat it because it's just that important:
  • "Can you keep even the first commandment?"
Again, the very first command is, "You shall have no other gods before me."
The obvious answer is, no. But . . . .:rolleyes:
 
So, was Adam's will free "relative to God" as DialecticSkeptic phases it

In other words, did God's will or Adam's will determine that Adam would sin?
The fact that Adam willed to sin is not deterministic in the same sense as God's determining. The difference in scope is enough to beg for mental relief in the realm of difference in KIND of thing. God's decree, vs Man's whim. Power vs weakness. There's no comparison, and, what's ironic, is that in that weakness of ours, God accomplishes what he decreed --not just 'in spite of' our weakness, but by USE of it.
 
The obvious answer is, no. But ... .:rolleyes:

Exactly. God does command what we cannot do—which, in fact, is the entire point of commanding it (Rom 3:23; cf. 7:7; 8:2-4; Gal 2:19). We can't keep even the very first commandment, a fact that Jesus highlighted with the rich young ruler who claimed, "I have wholeheartedly obeyed all these laws." No, you haven't. You have not kept even the first commandment, as evidenced by your refusal to sell your possessions, give the money to the poor, and follow Christ. Your wealth is your idol.
 
In other words, did God's will or Adam's will determine that Adam would sin?

Well, you got me there.

I will rephrase. Was it the sovereign will of God that Adam sin????
No doubt in my mind. Everything that God decrees is according to his sovereign will.
 
The commandment of God us "be perfect as he is perfect." The law or commandments of God are summarized in the ten commandments. They cover our moral responsibility to God and to the world around us. In fact if the first commandment is kept perfectly, which means all the time, the rest will be kept automatically. Can anyone do that?
I already said no one did.
However there were commands God made that people did do.
 
I already said no one did.
However there were commands God made that people did do.
That is true, but that is not the subject of the OP though it could be taken to be.

There are a lot of commandments but all fall under the heading of God's command. He commands that we bear his image and likeness in our moral conduct and choices. We can't. We can't be holy as he is holy even though he commands that very thing. But he made a way in his grace and loving kindness through the imputed righteousness of Christ and his vicarious death and resurrection and ascension, someday return.
 
In that case answer this question. Has anyone (other than Jesus) kept even the first commandment to love the Lord our God with all our heart and all our soul, and all our mind? That doesn't mean sometimes. It means all the time.
Waiting for that answer. . . . . 🤔
Someone already beat me to the question, but I will repeat it because it's just that important:
  • "Can you keep even the first commandment?"
Again, the very first command is, "You shall have no other gods before me."
Of course people other than Jesus have kept it, though not perfectly.

Pointless? Is that defining God by humanity? God's commands come from God himself, who he is, as our creator and who created us in his image and likeness. As bearers of his image we are to be morally perfect just as he is. There is nothing pointless about it. It is perfect.

It is the law of God, his commandments that show us how far we have fallen, how helpless we are to rectify the situation, and drive us to Christ who rectified it for us by what?-----his perfect righteousness and giving himself as a ransom, bearing our penalty on his body on the cross. Making it possible to impute his righteousness to those who are united with him through faith. Grace, grace, and grace.
Keeping God law doesn't save anyone. All sin and fall short....or do you not sin?
God created us in His image and likeness, so we are able to be in His likeness by being doers of His character traits in accordance with the example of obedience to God's law that Christ set for us to follow. Purpose of God's law revealing our sin is to lead us to repent and back to obedience to it. Christ saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so Christ graciously teaching us to be a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it.

In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so doing those works in obedience to God's law has absolutely nothing to do with trying to earn our salvation as the result, but rather God graciously teaching us to be a doer of it is part of His gift of salvation. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

While the only way for someone to become righteous is through faith, what it means for someone to become righteous is for them to become a doer of righteous works in obedience to God's law, which is why the same faith by which we are declared righteous apart from works does not abolish our need to be a doer a of righteous works in obedience to God's law (Romans 3:27-31). In other words, everyone who has faith will be declared righteous and everyone who has faith is a doer of God's law, which is how Paul can deny in Romans 4:1-5 that we can earn our righteousness as the result of our works while also holding the position in Romans 2:13 that only the doers of the law will be declared righteous.

Which law is that?
For example, God's law contains instructions in regard to having a period or to giving birth, so I can't keep those laws because I don't meet the condition of being a woman, but that doesn't mean that those laws are beyond the ability women to obey.
 
In Matthew 5:43-48, Jesus was speaking about having a love that is full or complete where we don’t just love those who love us, but also love our enemies, not telling people who have already sinned that they need to be sinless.
Not sure why you are saying this. Does that negate what I was saying?
 
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