God Would Not Command What We Cannot Do

[makesends]

So you having salvific faith is Free Will because God didn't exert "external force" ? Yes/no
So you having salvific faith is Free Will because, even though the Spirit regenerated you, God didn't exert "external force" ? Yes/no

Psalm 33:15 He Who fashions the hearts of them all ... so, even though God controls me (fashions my heart), that is Free Will because there was no external force or constraint? Yes/no

See @Eleanor 's use/explanation/defining of it in #93.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes, @Eleanor is not differing with that. I recall her many posts asking such things as why nobody can be perfect, regardless of what they suppose to choose. We cannot defeat gravity, though we might suppose ourselves to have chosen to do so. Nobody by act of will can add a cubit to their stature.

Soon, some will try to escape death by becoming trans-human. Eternal life without Jesus.

 

[fastfredy0]

Well, yeah, but when I said so I got asked why, then, did I even write the post.

Gee, you becoming transcendent ... how would I know

 

[makesends]

Gee, you becoming transcendent ... how would I know

That's why I want to stay on the low-low. I don't want people seeing through me.

 

[Eleanor]

duplicate

 

[Eleanor]

But the 'internal' is not without being caused, and that, by God. Nor is it without influence from outside causes. —unless I mistake what you mean by 'internal'. The internal does not happen in a vacuum.

It's not about cause, it's about choice without external force to do so; i.e., preference only.

 

[Eleanor]

So you having salvific faith is Free Will because God didn't exert "external force" ? Yes/no
So you having salvific faith is Free Will because, even though the Spirit regenerated you, God didn't exert "external force" ? Yes/no

Precisely. . .he exerted persuasive and compelling internal power to which I willingly and freely submitted.
In the Biblical sense, I chose to believe due to internal preference, not coercion.

Psalm 33:15 He Who fashions the hearts of them all ... so, even though God controls me (fashions my heart), that is Free Will because there was no external force or constraint? Yes/no

Yes.

 

[Eleanor]

John 6:65 appears to present limits........And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

Precisely. . .we do not prefer the Father and, therefore, we do not come to him.

 

[makesends]

Precisely. . .he exerted persuasive and compelling internal power to which I willingly and freely submitted.
In the Biblical sense, I chose to believe due to internal preference, not coercion.

Yes.

@fastfredy0 here Eleanor is giving her definition of freewill. She does not support any other definition.

Also, from my experience talking with her, she believes that the act of "willingly and freely submit[ting]" is ONLY possible subsequent to regeneration.

She is not saying that internal preference is not caused by external influences (causes).

 

[makesends]

It's not about cause, it's about choice without external force to do so; i.e., preference only.

Ok, I getcha. You're referring to force —as opposed to choice. I agree, the choice is real.

 

[Hazelelponi]

God Would Not Command What We Cannot Do​

Is this true or false? Why or why not?

What is your reasoning?

The command of perfection cannot be accomplished by fallen man.In fact, there's nothing good we can do apart from Christ before God. (John 15:4-5)

 

[Carbon]

The command of perfection cannot be accomplished by fallen man.In fact, there's nothing good we can do apart from Christ before God. (John 15:4-5)

Amen to that!

Welcome to the forum.

 

[Carbon]

God Would Not Command What We Cannot Do​

Is this true or false? Why or why not?

What is your reasoning?

If God did not require what sinners cannot perform, then they would have no need for the Son of God to fulfill all righteousness for them, or for the Holy Spirit to work holiness in them.

 

[Carbon]

Man's inability is both hereditary and voluntary.

 

[makesends]

Man's inability is both hereditary and voluntary.

I agree. I've been rather reprimanded for saying that one's sinful nature cannot please God because man wills to not please God. But Scripture itself mentions something that crosses our boundaries of reason similarly, or at least I think of it that way: Romans 5: "12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned— " I've heard it used to mean that it is only because all sinned that they are guilty, but that isn't even what it is talking about. —anyhow, good thoughts.

 

[Hazelelponi]

If God did not require what sinners cannot perform, then they would have no need for the Son of God to fulfill all righteousness for them, or for the Holy Spirit to work holiness in them.

Ultra concise and very thorough answer. Thank you.