GOD MADE NO COVENANT WITH GENTILES

[donadams]

The "whole world" does not mean the whole population of the planet.
The word "world" must be understood in the context of WHOM Christ was sent to (lost sheep of the House of Israel) and to WHOM He is a "propitiation" for, and this describes Israel who had covenant with God in which He would send a "prophet from among thy brethren" (meaning Israel), specifically the tribe of Judah.
It is a Hebrew/Jewish covenant and the seat of the authority of Christ and His Church Israel is in Jerusalem ruling the Jews as He is their King, NOT in Rome.
God made NO COVENANT with Gentiles.

Absurd there is no Israel!

In Palestine it’s only a secular democracy not a kingdom and Jesus is not their king, they don’t even recognize Him in any way!

The denied and rejected Christ!

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Matt 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Thanks

 

[jeremiah1five]

But you say it as if the gentiles are excluded? That’s a question

Abraham was recipient of God's Covenant. Abraham was a Hebrew. His family line can be traced backwards to Shem, Noah, Lamech, Seth, Abel, Adam. Gentiles came from the other two sons of Noah Ham and Japheth. Just as the birth record of Jesus shows the family line going through certain individuals it goes through a couple of Gentiles: Rahab is one, the woman that hid the spies and Ruth who Married and had the children of Boaz. But these events were post-Abrahamic Covenant.
What I am saying is that God made covenant with Himself (Abraham was asleep) and this is fine but Abraham received blessings from God through his generations or descendants. He was Hebrew going back to Eber who is the father of the Hebrew people. Abraham had covenant with God and as per the plan of God Gentiles receive the blessings not the covenant. As I've said before Israel is at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb by Covenant. Gentiles are there by invitation. And that invitation seems to me to be described in Matthew 22 where a king wanted to give a marriage party for his son. Many are called but few are chosen.

Refer to Lk 2:
30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. Lk 2:25.

Simeon is a Jew.

31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

As above.

 

[prism]

Absurd there is no Israel!

In Palestine it’s only a secular democracy not a kingdom and Jesus is not their king, they don’t even recognize Him in any way!

Funny, that's what their Arab neighbors say.

They denied and rejected Christ!

So do their Muslim neighbors. what's the difference?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Absurd there is no Israel!

Of course, there is an Israel.
His name used to be Jacob.

In Palestine it’s only a secular democracy not a kingdom and Jesus is not their king, they don’t even recognize Him in any way!

It doesn't matter what Israel thinks of God.

13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
2 Ti 2:12–13.

They denied and rejected Christ!

As per God's will. And right now God is blinding their eyes.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Don't hold out. Post the whole passage and thought.

12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Tim. 2:12–13.

Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

That's true.

Matt 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

Same can be said of the RCC. Their history as a religion has been to persecute the true believers of the faith. But God's people reign supreme for they have Almighty God on their side.

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Thanks

Yup. But in a matter of weeks a great company of priests became obedient to the faith.

7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. Acts 6:6–7.

I'd say what you posted above about Jesus calling them 'serpents' and 'vipers' scared the living darkness out of them.

 

[EarlyActs]

Abraham was recipient of God's Covenant. Abraham was a Hebrew. His family line can be traced backwards to Shem, Noah, Lamech, Seth, Abel, Adam. Gentiles came from the other two sons of Noah Ham and Japheth. Just as the birth record of Jesus shows the family line going through certain individuals it goes through a couple of Gentiles: Rahab is one, the woman that hid the spies and Ruth who Married and had the children of Boaz. But these events were post-Abrahamic Covenant.
What I am saying is that God made covenant with Himself (Abraham was asleep) and this is fine but Abraham received blessings from God through his generations or descendants. He was Hebrew going back to Eber who is the father of the Hebrew people. Abraham had covenant with God and as per the plan of God Gentiles receive the blessings not the covenant. As I've said before Israel is at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb by Covenant. Gentiles are there by invitation. And that invitation seems to me to be described in Matthew 22 where a king wanted to give a marriage party for his son. Many are called but few are chosen.

25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. Lk 2:25.

Simeon is a Jew.

As above.

I don't see the persistent distinction based on race-nation. It just isn't the destination the NT moves toward. See the technical terms in Eph 2B--3A that join the two in one.

So everyone needs to respond to the invitation. You will find that everywhere in the NT. The olive tree of Rom 11 is faith-based. Otherwise the analogy breaks down. I know it is a national symbol, but no one with NT faith is trying to create nation symbols; we want those which unify by faith. That is why Matt 22's vineyard parable says the new entity is a 'nation' (obviously not in the usual sense).

 

[EarlyActs]

It is instructive to compare the Prodigal Son parable with what people say about the future of Israel. They say they are amazed that God would again make them a nation after so much disobedience.

One of the things I disapprove about that stance is the personal level of the prodigal's story. It is not about 2 people. It is not about his descendants X000 years later. That person repents; that person comes back; the father loves that person when he repents and comes back. I see no such connection that would jump hundreds of generations and say there was some kind of close re-unification with God going on--that was like the return of the prodigal.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I don't see the persistent distinction based on race-nation. It just isn't the destination the NT moves toward. See the technical terms in Eph 2B--3A that join the two in one.

So everyone needs to respond to the invitation. You will find that everywhere in the NT. The olive tree of Rom 11 is faith-based. Otherwise the analogy breaks down. I know it is a national symbol, but no one with NT faith is trying to create nation symbols; we want those which unify by faith. That is why Matt 22's vineyard parable says the new entity is a 'nation' (obviously not in the usual sense).

You can't deny it but God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and later with his seed who came to be known as the children of Israel.
Now I ask you: are you Jewish? Do you have Jewish parents? Because the Scripture states clearly in every book in the bible that God made covenant with the children of Abraham and Israel, not Gentiles. And the sign that separated them ethnically was circumcision. David made the distinction is calling Goliath an "uncircumcised Philistine" and a "dog" woof woof.
Nothing has changed. God has an everlasting covenant with Abraham and the children of Jacob/Israel and it matters not that Israel was disobedient or worshiped false idols of stone and wood. God is Faithful and at the appointed time will cease His involvement and turn His full attention to the apple of His eye and Chosen people Israel.
If God meant no distinction between Jew and Gentile the covenant would look like soething else, but no, God made no covenant with Gentiles and that is the distinction between them both.
Israel holds all the covenants and the promises. Gentiles do not.

 

[jeremiah1five]

This is what a Covenant with God looks like. Take note of the intent and the language:

18 But with thee will I establish my covenant;
Gen. 6:18.

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
Gen. 17:2.

19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Gen. 17:19.

27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
Ex. 34:26–27.

42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember;
Lev. 26:42.

The intent of covenant is clearly established. The language clearly establishes a covenant is made. There is no ambiguity. Nothing is hidden. God clearly states He is making a covenant and with who, and the language bears this out.
Nowhere in the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets is there any statement of intent nor language of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob ever making any covenant with Gentiles. Neither is there in the New Covenant writings from Matthew through Revelations any passage of those writings and with the intent and with the language of covenant that God has made a covenant with Gentiles.

Nor is God a hypocrite.

31 And I will set thy bounds from the Red sea even unto the sea of the Philistines, and from the desert unto the river: for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand; and thou shalt drive them out before thee.
32 Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.
33 They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against me: for if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee.
Ex. 23:31–33.

God commands Israel to make no covenant with Gentiles [non-Hebrews].

In all of creation God has made no covenant with any non-Hebrew, and this is so important to Him that He commands His Hebrew people to neither make any covenant with them. And God is not a hypocrite to command His covenant people Israel to never make covenant with any non-Hebrew (Gentiles) nor does He turn when Israel is looking or not looking and make a covenant with Gentiles. He doesn't do it. It is not there. It [covenant with Gentiles] doesn't exist.

It only exists when even Gentiles lean upon their own understanding in the vanity of their minds and re-interpret the Hebrew writings of what's called the Old Testament and the New Testament and insert a covenant with God of their own making by saying born-again Gentile believers are "of the seed of Abraham" or "are spiritual Israel and as a wild Olive tree are grafted into the natural Olive tree and elbow their way into the Abrahamic Covenant simply because they are of Christ or Christian. Born-again Gentiles re-interpret the Holy Scriptures and do so with a Gentile mindset and make huge leaps in their flawed understanding on this point and try every conceivable angle to cast themselves as being in covenant with God.

But such a Gentile covenant with God does not exist. It never has and it never will.

There is no Scripture declaring it. There is no intent of God nor is there language of God making covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles in Scripture.
And when Gentile Christians come to the knowledge of this truth then they will see as God sees. But until that happens, they will continue to regurgitate a flawed theology and belief that is contrary to God and His Word to their own cognitive and comprehensive hurt.