Fruit Of The Spirit

[ChristB4us]

Proverbs 28:26​

26 If you think you know it all, you're a fool for sure; real survivors learn wisdom from others.

What Bible version is that??!!!

Definitely changing the truth in His words as kept in the KJV.

Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered. KJV

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

What Bible version is that??!!!

Definitely changing the truth in His words as kept in the KJV.

Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered. KJV

Are you really so thick as to think that non English speaking people have non preserved Bible translations from the Hebrew and Greek too? Please just understand this, understand that God preserved the Bible in all languages today that aren't the King James Version. If you will just consider this, which I deem pure common sense and comprehendible by all people without problems understanding their language, I think I can cure you out of a cult

 

[ChristB4us]

One must first be born of God and His seed remaineth.
Secondly, if the ground is bad the fruit will be bad.
It also depends on the seed.
And the seed is the Word of God.
Or the seed is not of God.
And that is the present discussion.

Only the one where the birds ate up the seed are the unsaved.

The others is about discipleship where one of the 3 abides in His words to bear fruit.

We need His help daily to help us lay aside every weight & sin as well as not be overcharged by teh cares of this life that the day takes us unaware because like it or not, some will have treasures on earth for why Jesus is warning saved believers not to have treasure on earth because you will have to leave them behind. Indeed, he warned us not to even think about going back to your house to get that valued treasure as if you can take it with you because you can't.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

So hopefully you & others reading this will see the true cost of discipleship is not about giving everything up down here while living down in Him here but the true cost of discipleship is leaning on Him to leave everything and everyone behind for when He comes as the Bridegroom.

Luke 14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. 31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? 32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace. 33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. 34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned? 35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Only the one where the birds ate up the seed are the unsaved.

The others is about discipleship where one of the 3 abides in His words to bear fruit.

We need His help daily to help us lay aside every weight & sin as well as not be overcharged by teh cares of this life that the day takes us unaware because like it or not, some will have treasures on earth for why Jesus is warning saved believers not to have treasure on earth because you will have to leave them behind. Indeed, he warned us not to even think about going back to your house to get that valued treasure as if you can take it with you because you can't.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

So hopefully you & others reading this will see the true cost of discipleship is not about giving everything up down here while living down in Him here but the true cost of discipleship is leaning on Him to leave everything and everyone behind for when He comes as the Bridegroom.

Luke 14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. 31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? 32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace. 33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. 34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned? 35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Dude, didn't I just address you and respond to you?

 

[ChristB4us]

Are you really so thick as to think that non English speaking people have non preserved Bible translations from the Hebrew and Greek too? Please just understand this, understand that God preserved the Bible in all languages today that aren't the King James Version. If you will just consider this, which I deem pure common sense and comprehendible by all people without problems understanding their language, I think I can cure you out of a cult

Most anti-KJVers will say that not all Bibles are saying the same thing and so if you do not see the difference for which I was replying about Proverbs 28:26 about, then you must have an awful time correcting anyone by the scriptures.

As it is, I used to rely on the NASB Ryrie Study Bible and even read from the NIV also but troubling passages bothered me for which the Lord prompted me to look at the KJV and sure enough, it contains the truth in His words and relied on the KJV to correct false teachings.

You can use any Bible to preach the gospel BUT when you want the meat as in the actual truth in His words, I know I need the KJV.

The KJV is not perfect as I agree with the KJV translators BUT it holds the meat of His words to discern good & evil whereas modern bibles do not but sows doubts in His words.

Anyway, Proverbs 28:26 is way different than how the KJV has it as. If @Ritajanice got that from the NIV, then I can understand it as it contains other obvious errors even though anti-KJVers do not see it. Like...

John 16:13 & Romans 8:26-27 KJV VS NIV

All Bible versions has kept the truth in John 16:13 but some modern bibles has changed the message in Romans 8:26-27 as if the Holy Spirit can make direct intercessions Himself by uttering wordless groans out loud whereas the KJV maintains the truth in His words of John 16:13 that He cannot even utter His groanings even though He can be grieved by the sinning believers for why we are warned not to do that Ephesians 4:30.

If you do not see the difference there at that link, let alone see the grammatical error committed in the NIV in Romans 8:27, then I cannot help you. I shall pray that you will see the difference and why the NIV sows doubts in John 16:13 as if Jesus did not really meant that because of Romans 8:26-27 implying otherwise as many believers today believe tongues can be for private use as if the Holy Spirit can use God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people ands turn it around on His own accord to utter His prayers out loud as if in gibberish nonsense.

The epitome of confusion which God is not the author of, but believers are taking supernatural experiences over the word of God in these latter days and with modern bibles changing the message as in the meat of His words, sows doubts and hard to expose the works of darkness too by that modern bible.

Only Jesus can show you that truth for why you should rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words to discern good & evil in these latter days where faith is hard to find.

 

[ChristB4us]

Dude, didn't I just address you and respond to you?

When other alerts takes me elsewhere to reply to, you may find a delay in response, brother.

I am sure you go through the same thing, do you not?

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Most anti-KJVers will say that not all Bibles are saying the same thing and so if you do not see the difference for which I was replying about Proverbs 28:26 about, then you must have an awful time correcting anyone by the scriptures.

As it is, I used to rely on the NASB Ryrie Study Bible and even read from the NIV also but troubling passages bothered me for which the Lord prompted me to look at the KJV and sure enough, it contains the truth in His words and relied on the KJV to correct false teachings.

You can use any Bible to preach the gospel BUT when you want the meat as in the actual truth in His words, I know I need the KJV.

The KJV is not perfect as I agree with the KJV translators BUT it holds the meat of His words to discern good & evil whereas modern bibles do not but sows doubts in His words.

Anyway, Proverbs 28:26 is way different than how the KJV has it as. If @Ritajanice got that from the NIV, then I can understand it as it contains other obvious errors even though anti-KJVers do not see it. Like...

John 16:13 & Romans 8:26-27 KJV VS NIV

All Bible versions has kept the truth in John 16:13 but some modern bibles has changed the message in Romans 8:26-27 as if the Holy Spirit can make direct intercessions Himself by uttering wordless groans out loud whereas the KJV maintains the truth in His words of John 16:13 that He cannot even utter His groanings even though He can be grieved by the sinning believers for why we are warned not to do that Ephesians 4:30.

If you do not see the difference there at that link, let alone see the grammatical error committed in the NIV in Romans 8:27, then I cannot help you. I shall pray that you will see the difference and why the NIV sows doubts in John 16:13 as if Jesus did not really meant that because of Romans 8:26-27 implying otherwise as many believers today believe tongues can be for private use as if the Holy Spirit can use God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people ands turn it around on His own accord to utter His prayers out loud as if in gibberish nonsense.

The epitome of confusion which God is not the author of, but believers are taking supernatural experiences over the word of God in these latter days and with modern bibles changing the message as in the meat of His words, sows doubts and hard to expose the works of darkness too by that modern bible.

Only Jesus can show you that truth for why you should rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words to discern good & evil in these latter days where faith is hard to find.

There is no such thing as an "anti KJV" person. That is a paranoid conspiracy theory that has no place in any adult and mature discussion of Bible translations into non English languages.

Greek and Hebrew were preserved. Do you disagree?


PLease deal with the fact that languages are different and God did not preserve a particular translation of the Bible in English in the 1600s. The letter KILLS, but the spirit gives LIFE. God is not stupid. He preserved his word in ALL LANGUAGES, not just ONE, and it isn't more inspired just because you SAY it is. That is where you have gone wrong, my Brother. Because when YOU say something is a fact and other people disagree with you, it either means you are wrong or you are mistaken, it cannot mean you are right.

 

[praise_yeshua]

A farmer doesn't bury good seed in bad, unprepared ground.

Never said otherwise. We prepare ground. Good faith "farmers" do this all the time through teaching and preaching. The apostles and prophets were the farmers. We have their witness. Their word "cut". They words "plow"...

In this parable there is nothing wrong with the Seed (which is the Word of God.

I agree that THE WORD of God is pure and perfect. The WORD became flesh and dwelt among men. The words spoken to individuals does not offend reflect that Glory of Jesus Christ.

Abraham taught his children. He did not let another "season" the message of God. In fact, that is what is often wrong today. Many people preach a fake idol of their imaginations and pretend it is Christ. Just "seed" means nothing. They're not sowing the Word of God reflecting Christ. They are sowing their own wild seeds that makes others "two fold children of hell" than themselves. That is what the Pharisees did. They preached another Messiah while the REAL Messiah stood right in front of them.

But having bad seed (like the NIV) planted in bad ground doesn't produce anything good.

The Word of God is Christ. The volume of the "Book" was written of Him". -self edit.... Anyone that holds such a position only is at best a novice not mature enough to discuss doctrine.

 

[Carbon]

jeremiah1five said:
A farmer doesn't bury good seed in bad, unprepared ground.

Not intentionally.

Never said otherwise. We prepare ground. Good faith "farmers" do this all the time through teaching and preaching. The apostles and prophets were the farmers. We have their witness. Their word "cut". They words "plow"...

I disagree bro. I believe the ground is prepared by God Himself, the ground is the heart.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Not intentionally.

I disagree bro. I believe the ground is prepared by God Himself, the ground is the heart.

That argument can be made but I believe we play a part in it. I know you agree. To what "degree" is where we disagree. I believe there is a reason that faith is often generational.

 

[Carbon]

That argument can be made but I believe we play a part in it. I know you agree. To what "degree" is where we disagree. I believe there is a reason that faith is often generational.

Yes, the part we play imo is, after the seed is planted. Which is the gospel in the new heart. We are responsible to believe, and after this, indeed we do. It's irresistible.

 

[fastfredy0]

I believe there is a reason that faith is often generational

What's the reason and what proof do you have for said reason?

Aside: stats prove your statement that faith tends to be generational (past from parents to children).

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, the part we play imo is, after the seed is planted. Which is the gospel in the new heart. We are responsible to believe, and after this, indeed we do. It's irresistible.

I do believe that the Spirit overcomes our resistance. I do. I can't say that I believe that it is entirely irresistible. It is a complicated construct of events and not everyone is treated the same. We can clearly recognize this. We have to admit this according the reality that surrounds us and the Scriptures.

I personally experienced God breaking me. I resisted. I resisted and resisted and resisted. Over and over again.

This parable gives an example of my experience.

Luke 8:7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.

Notice in the narrative given by our Lord, the seed sprung up. Vs 12 talks of those who not believe.

 

[Carbon]

I do believe that the Spirit overcomes our resistance. I do. I can't say that I believe that it is entirely irresistible.

I think we differ in the operation. I believe we are at enmity with God in our fallen nature. Once this nature is changed, through regeneration (being crucified with Christ) the new man, new nature, the new heart, is no longer at enmity. Therefore, we are believers according in the new nature in Christ.

It is a complicated construct of events and not everyone is treated the same. We can clearly recognize this. We have to admit this according the reality that surrounds us and the Scriptures.

I must agree. But it is not on the condition that anyone has done anything good, deserving salvation.

I personally experienced God breaking me. I resisted. I resisted and resisted and resisted. Over and over again.

And praise Him he didn't let you go your own way. He knew what He was doing.

This parable gives an example of my experience.

Okay.

Luke 8:7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.

Notice in the narrative given by our Lord, the seed sprung up. Vs 12 talks of those who not believe.

As you probably already know we disagree on the meaning of the parable. If you want to discuss our understanding, we can.

Blessing

 

[ChristB4us]

There is no such thing as an "anti KJV" person. That is a paranoid conspiracy theory that has no place in any adult and mature discussion of Bible translations into non English languages.

CARM does not have King James Only in the cult section for why you should wonder why that is for how they treat those that rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words.

Greek and Hebrew were preserved. Do you disagree?

When the source documents are from Antioch, yes, but from Alexandria where poetic licensing and Gnosticism has been known to exist. no.

PLease deal with the fact that languages are different and God did not preserve a particular translation of the Bible in English in the 1600s. The letter KILLS, but the spirit gives LIFE. God is not stupid. He preserved his word in ALL LANGUAGES, not just ONE, and it isn't more inspired just because you SAY it is. That is where you have gone wrong, my Brother. Because when YOU say something is a fact and other people disagree with you, it either means you are wrong or you are mistaken, it cannot mean you are right.

Not everything in Greek is translated into English FYI; not even in the KJV. Like the Greek word "sunago" for gathered in Luke 17:37

Sometimes what is translated into English is not in full meaning either. Like the Greek words "ov un" for the English word "not" in Revelation 3:5 because it is a double negative meaning He would never do that in alignment with John 6:39.

So it is telling how modern Bibles has not done any better.

And as for any other foreign language, of which the Bible has been translated into from the Greek & Hebrew, I am sure you will find the same problem.

And resorting to the Greek & Hebrew to learn His words also has problems because the Greek back then is different from the Greek is now. They even have different rules for translating it.

Anti-KJVers has stated that because not all Bibles are saying the same thing for why they claim going to the Greek & Hebrew to learn His words but those that do, argue over their translations and pride is often the result of them attacking one another too.

I believe His words in john 14:23-24 & 15:20 that we will need His discernment to know who loved Him to keep his words from those that did not because there is no other reason fr Jesus to relay that warning from the Father unless it is because we need his discernment to know which Bible loved Him to keep his words and He has proven to me that it is the KJV and so He has to do that for you too. I sure cannot do it.

 

[Carbon]

CARM does not have King James Only in the cult section for why you should wonder why that is for how they treat those that rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words.

There is a KJO category now. So, you can discuss that over there.

 

[praise_yeshua]

CARM does not have King James Only in the cult section for why you should wonder why that is for how they treat those that rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words.

King James is dead and he outlawed the Bible of the Reformation The Geneva Bible. Such is not the qualities of a good man. The Geneva Bible is a far better Bible than the KJV.

When the source documents are from Antioch, yes, but from Alexandria where poetic licensing and Gnosticism has been known to exist. no.

God preserved/keep Abraham while he was in Egypt. Those words didn't stay nor originate in Egypt. Egypt was no worse a sinful nation than the English empire. If you're American, you should remember all the deaths required to separate from the oppression of the English monarchy. Why shouldn't I reject the KJV based on the same reasoning you're rejecting the Scriptures from Alexandria?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I think we differ in the operation. I believe we are at enmity with God in our fallen nature. Once this nature is changed, through regeneration (being crucified with Christ) the new man, new nature, the new heart, is no longer at enmity. Therefore, we are believers according in the new nature in Christ.

We do disagree on the order of operations associated with the New Birth. I believe we are close on the actual operation of the Spirit.

I must agree. But it is not on the condition that anyone has done anything good, deserving salvation.

Absolutely agree.

And praise Him he didn't let you go your own way. He knew what He was doing..

Definitely. The question is.... could I have resisted to the point of turning away from God. I believe I could have. I don't believe many get to where I was and walk away or are let go. I can't say that I believe there isn't some that don't.

As you probably already know we disagree on the meaning of the parable. If you want to discuss our understanding, we can.

I believe vs 12 does represent the lost. However vs 14 does not.

Comparison below....

Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Luk 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

Blessing

Thank you!

 

[praise_yeshua]

What's the reason and what proof do you have for said reason?

Aside: stats prove your statement that faith tends to be generational (past from parents to children).

Three generations are mentioned in the following verse

2Ti 1:5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

Abraham commanded his children after him.....

Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Depends if there was something wrong with the car or if the new owner misused the car. Didn't follow instructions for its use or failed to follow the rules of the road.

Like I mentioned... We are talking about culpability here. You are saying God is responsible for evil. That is culpability.

You're basically saying that the "car" was defective to the point of neglances in causing the accident.