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Fruit Of The Spirit

There is a KJO category now. So, you can discuss that over there.
What I had meant was that they had King James Only in the Theology section and not in the cult section at CARM.

The way they treat those that prefer the KJV is prejudicial and assign KJVO in all that extremism to those that prefer the KJV. It is like a bait sub forum in the Theology forum as obviously CARM is anti-KJVO and so I say they should put King James Only in the cult part of their forum.

They have a new set up for their CARM forum and still, they kept King James Only in the Theology part of their forum.

I care not to go through that again. My computer crashed twice when I was visiting their prior forum in the past and so I am not going over there.

How long I stay here depends on those that has access to my computer or my account as they did changed the password and locked me out and then it was available again by the grace of God. I am not going to change that password because they can do it again anyway.

I think they did it to upset me but did not realize that I did not care because it is on the Lord to minister & if they get in His way, they have to answer to Him.

I was ready to say Jesus is Lord to walk away but dreams kept hinting at prophetic events that I would return.

So how about you guys hold a Reformation at your forum relying on Jesus Christ to prove all things by the scripture? You would be the first forum to do it. Nobody else would do it, believing everything they had learned cannot be reproved. Kind of like Catholics.

If this forum does it by God's grace & help, maybe He will lead others to do the same in other forums by this forum's example? I can only hope in Him.
 
King James is dead and he outlawed the Bible of the Reformation The Geneva Bible. Such is not the qualities of a good man. The Geneva Bible is a far better Bible than the KJV.
False propaganda since it was the Puritans that made the request for a new Bible version because of those errant marginal notes that was running contrary to scripture like defying those in authority and that Jesus was Michael the archangel.
God preserved/keep Abraham while he was in Egypt. Those words didn't stay nor originate in Egypt. Egypt was no worse a sinful nation than the English empire. If you're American, you should remember all the deaths required to separate from the oppression of the English monarchy. Why shouldn't I reject the KJV based on the same reasoning you're rejecting the Scriptures from Alexandria?
I trust Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd and He showed me the Bible version where they loved Him to keep His words including the 1 John 5:7 as originally scripture about the Three Witnesses in Heaven as there were extrabiblical sources citing it as scripture as far back as 200 A.D. in debates.

IS 1 JOHN 5:7 NOT IN ANY GREEK MANUSCRIPT BEFORE THE 1600S? IF IT IS TRUE, WHY IS IT IN THE KJV?

Even though I do not agree with what Jack Chick teaches about Catholics going to hell, since they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God has raised Him from the dead and are saved as a result, Catholics are laboring in unbelief when they believe the lie that being part of the RCC and doing the sacraments within to obtain salvation as if God gives more grace by giving them works to do, thus at risk of being left behind when the Bridegroom comes, this author is not Jack Chick but David W. Daniel and he is sharing information form his book available to be seen at that link.
 
Re: Your statement: I [Praise_yeshau] believe there is a reason that faith is often generational
Three generations are mentioned in the following verse

2Ti 1:5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

Abraham commanded his children after him.....

Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
There are billions and billions of generational combinations. Finding one biblical combination is anecdotal and would not justify your statement. Nevertheless, there have been non-anecdotal studies done that back up your claim. You didn't answer my subsequent questions, but nevermind; it's not important. Have a good day. :)
 
If we have been birthed in the Spirit, then we should bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit.....shouldn’t we?

I believe it takes time for fruit to grow and mature....after all it’s the Holy Spirit who indwells us is the fruit bearer..

My question is why after many years ,of walking in the Spirit, I don’t see the fruit of the Spirit in many so called Christians?

I’m not judging anyone , I’m just trying to understand ....why this is?

Doesn’t God’s word say, you will know them by their fruit.

Admin, I wasn’t sure where to post this topic, apologies if it’s in the wrong section..
The fact is many Christians do not spend enough time with God to be filled with the Spirit. As we spend time with God we take on his attributes.

Mat 26:41 Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak."

That verse shows us two things 1) left to ourselves we are weak, and likely to sin, but 2) if we spend time with God, God's Spirit will strengthen us.

We can get so caught up in the natural life that we neglect our zeal for God.

Rev 3:15-19 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.

Does not this speak to our generation:

Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'

We don't want to be a generation that forgets God and is only focused on our own desires, and pleasures.

2Ti 3:2-4 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
 
Is that why apostasy will never come? What is apostasy if not a falling away of the faithful?
Falling doesn't mean your done it just means you need some help getting back on your feet that is why we are here for each other.

The falling away is already here and has been here for a long time the falling away is not to one specific group it is the reason he says return to your first love, why the truth is so easily missed or taken out of context why the system the church is in where denominations doctrines interpretations bickering dead words and judgmental so called Christians are all in place.

We are one body one church there is one truth one spirit of truth oneess unity communion all these things and more were the original design but faith and the truth God's person and who we are have all been forgotten except for a rare few.

We have been conditioned to instinctively look for red flags first that in itself is not only a major red sign but should make one consider if that is the reason or part of the reason for a lot of issues we have.
 
The epitome of confusion which God is not the author of, but believers are taking supernatural experiences over the word of God in these latter days and with modern bibles changing the message as in the meat of His words, sows doubts and hard to expose the works of darkness too by that modern bible.
There is absolutely NO confusion whatsoever if one has been birthed in the Spirit.

And YES!....it’s a supernatural experience...it’s the LIVING word of GOD. delivered straight to the heart/ spirit of his child.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.....please explain what it means?.....how are we Born of the Spirit?.

In your own words please?

John 3:6​


“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

King James Version (KJV)
 
The fact is many Christians do not spend enough time with God to be filled with the Spirit. As we spend time with God we take on his attributes.
What if we have been birthed in the Spirit?

We must be Born Again ?

You surly know that a child of God has been birthed in the Spirit.....explain what that means to you, in your own words please?

Flesh gives birth to flesh?

Spirit gives birth to spirit?...

John 3:6​


“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

King James Version (KJV)
 
We can get so caught up in the natural life that we neglect our zeal for God.
Absolutely not...our zeal for God grows and grows and grows....why does it grow.....because we are his Born Again Children....we have been birthed in the Spirit.....the Holy Spirit births our spirit into his...it’s a supernatural spiritual birth....we belong to God adopted into his Kingdom....by his almighty power, the Holy Spirit.

Natural life?

From day one of being birthed in the Spirit, we have our new life starting in Christ?

We aren’t our own, we belong to God Through the rebirth/ Spiritual birth?

Please explain what I’m talking about in my post?..thank you.
 
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The KJV is not perfect as I agree with the KJV translators BUT it holds the meat of His words to discern good & evil whereas modern bibles do not but sows doubts in His words.
How can any modern day bibles such as NIV...sow doubt in the heart of a true Born Again...when they have been birthed in the Spirit?

What does that mean even?...thank you.
 
What if we have been birthed in the Spirit?

We must be Born Again ?

You surly know that a child of God has been birthed in the Spirit.....explain what that means to you, in your own words please?

Flesh gives birth to flesh?

Spirit gives birth to spirit?...

John 3:6​


“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

King James Version (KJV)
Explaining in my own words:

A person who puts faith in Jesus's work on the cross, the one who accepts His offer of forgiveness, receives the Holy Spirit. Is supernaturally birthed into God's Kingdom. But what I am suggesting is we need to set our minds on the things of God, not be consumed by the things of the Earth.

Col 3:2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth

Col 3:12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;

Col 3:14 But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection.

Rom 8:12-14 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

Rom 6:15-16 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

There is a conflict that goes on in any person between the flesh and the Spirit.

Gal 5:16-17 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

That is why we are told to feed our Spirit.

Mat 26:41 Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak."
 
Absolutely not...our zeal for God grows and grows and grows....why does it grow.....because we are his Born Again Children....we have been birthed in the Spirit.....the Holy Spirit births our spirit into his...it’s a supernatural spiritual birth....we belong to God adopted into his Kingdom....by his almighty power, the Holy Spirit.

Natural life?

From day one of being birthed in the Spirit, we have our new life starting in Christ?

We aren’t our own, we belong to God Through the rebirth/ Spiritual birth?

Please explain what I’m talking about in my post?..thank you.
You asked in your post "why" are so many Christians fruitless. The reason is they often get distracted from God's purposes.

You may have experienced, continual zeal, that does not mean everyone will. Look at the following, that I supplied earlier. It is Jesus speaking to one of the churches, not to unbelievers. He states if the believers don't repent of their indifference, God will spit them out. A Christian can become indifferent to God.

Rev 3:15-19 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.

And similarly:

Rev 3:2-3 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.
 
Explaining in my own words:

A person who puts faith in Jesus's work on the cross, the one who accepts His offer of forgiveness, receives the Holy Spirit. Is supernaturally birthed into God's Kingdom. But what I am suggesting is we need to set our minds on the things of God, not be consumed by the things of the Earth.

Consumed by the things of the Earth, when we have been birthed in the Spirit?

We?.......we are led by the Holy Spirit....we don’t make ourselves into the image of Jesus?

We have the indwelling Holy Spirit..who is Alive in our spirit?

He gets us to the place we are meant to be with the Father/ God....”WE” are helpless without him...we must be Born Again...

John 3:8​

King James Version​

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
 
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A Born Again is being made into the image of Jesus..

They have been supernaturally birthed in the spirit...they are HIS.

Indifferent to God?
We are His, but there is no such thing as eternal security. Read the scripture again in revelation, what did Jesus say to the complacent church?

And again:

1Co 10:1-12 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness. Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted.
1Co 10:7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, "THE PEOPLE SAT DOWN TO EAT AND DRINK, AND ROSE UP TO PLAY." Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

A person who receives the Holy Spirit can fall away.

Heb 6:4-12 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner. For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister. And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope until the end, that you do not become sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

The bible tells us of a worse punishment for those who may have started in the Spirit, then fall away.

Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
 
Indifferent to God?
Starting to drift into sin, giving license to sin. Or just forgetting about God.

Heb 10:23-27 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
 
We are His, but there is no such thing as eternal security. Read the scripture again in revelation, what did Jesus say to the complacent church?

And again:

1Co 10:1-12 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness. Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted.
1Co 10:7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, "THE PEOPLE SAT DOWN TO EAT AND DRINK, AND ROSE UP TO PLAY." Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

A person who receives the Holy Spirit can fall away.

Heb 6:4-12 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner. For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister. And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope until the end, that you do not become sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

The bible tells us of a worse punishment for those who may have started in the Spirit, then fall away.

Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Ah...now I see why I’m not understanding you.


A True Born Again....can NEVER fall away..they have been supernaturally birthed in the Spirit....by God..I have scripture that I will post later.

Who ever the Father gives to the Son, he will NEVER lose one....

John 6:39
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

New Living Translation
And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day.

English Standard Version
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

Berean Standard Bible
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.

Berean Literal Bible
Now this is the will of the One having sent Me, that all that He has given Me, I should lose none of it, but will raise it up in the last day.

King James Bible
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
 
Starting to drift into sin, giving license to sin. Or just forgetting about God.
Sorry, I really don’t understand your teaching.

A child of God who has been “ Birthed in the Spirit “ how on earth can they forget God?

Being birthed is a done deal.....we can’t as a Born Again un- birth ourselves....we belong to God and will be with him for all of eternity!

I will leave you to your own understanding of scripture...have a nice day.
 
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There is absolutely NO confusion whatsoever if one has been birthed in the Spirit.

And YES!....it’s a supernatural experience...it’s the LIVING word of GOD. delivered straight to the heart/ spirit of his child.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.....please explain what it means?.....how are we Born of the Spirit?.

In your own words please?

John 3:6​


“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

King James Version (KJV)
In context;

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?


10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Please note the bold portion of verse 8 above as believers are not to look for a sign or evidence of receiving the baptism with the holy Ghost as proving that born again of the Spirit moment otherwise that would null & void the meaning of that message.

Believers will be born again of the Spirit which was to take place after His ascension which is after His crucifixion for anyone that believes in Him.

That is why this is written;

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith..... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

That fact that you believe means you are saved!!!

This is why Jesus warned seekers not to seek a sign or proof of salvation for then they are opening themselves up to committing spiritual adultery.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So think about how you are witnessing by promoting a phenomenon for believers to receive to have proof that they had received the Holy Spirit, because that is not the gospel of Jesus Christ nor pointing seekers and believer to come to & believe in Jesus Christ but to seek a sign instead.
 
False propaganda since it was the Puritans that made the request for a new Bible version because of those errant marginal notes that was running contrary to scripture like defying those in authority and that Jesus was Michael the archangel.

James already hated the KJV. It was not the Puritans that "authorized" the replace for the Bishops Bible. You're making false claims.

I trust Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd and He showed me the Bible version where they loved Him to keep His words including the 1 John 5:7 as originally scripture about the Three Witnesses in Heaven as there were extrabiblical sources citing it as scripture as far back as 200 A.D. in debates..

You do not understand the origins of the KJV in 1 John 5:7. There is a KJO forum now. We can discuss there. I have already posted a thread. See if you can deal with the facts I presented.


Appeal to someone who has made a living off of "Chick Publications"....Does not establish anything. Make the arguments your own or abandon such nonsense. Appealing to external sources to defend "your position" is not debating.
 
So think about how you are witnessing by promoting a phenomenon for believers to receive to have proof that they had received the Holy Spirit, because that is not the gospel of Jesus Christ nor pointing seekers and believer to come to & believe in Jesus Christ but to seek a sign instead.
You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God....God does the drawing to Jesus, he also births us in the Spirit and no one knows how he does it....I didn’t ask for proof, I asked you to explain what it meant, that was all..

Imperative that we are Born Again..for Without it...we are still lost,in darkness, alienated from God...

I am witnessing the truth of God’s living word, you must be Born Again....a supernatural act that only God can do through the Holy Spirit .

Born of the Spirit, means Born Again...regenerated/ rebirth.


John 3:8​

King James Version​

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Bible, King James Version​


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[1] There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
[2] The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
[3] Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[4] Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
[8] The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit
 
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