Fruit Of The Spirit

[praise_yeshua]

Re: Your statement: I [Praise_yeshau] believe there is a reason that faith is often generational

There are billions and billions of generational combinations. Finding one biblical combination is anecdotal and would not justify your statement. Nevertheless, there have been non-anecdotal studies done that back up your claim. You didn't answer my subsequent questions, but nevermind; it's not important. Have a good day.

Explain how I didn't answer and I will readdress it.

I quoted the Scripture where Paul said that Timothy's faith BEGAN.... with generations before him. I don't believe there is any argument to contradict this verse of Scriptures. Unless you would like to deny the veracity of Scripture? Was Paul factually wrong?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Falling doesn't mean your done it just means you need some help getting back on your feet that is why we are here for each other.

Individually, this can be true. Collectively, there is clearly an indication of faith falling in subsequent generations of men. Abandonment of faith in successive generation has taken place at least twice in human history. The flood judged those that did. The scattering of Israel after the death of Jesus Christ judged the once faithful in the Crucifiction of our Lord.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Explain how I didn't answer and I will readdress it.

I quoted the Scripture where Paul said that Timothy's faith BEGAN.... with generations before him. I don't believe there is any argument to contradict this verse of Scriptures. Unless you would like to deny the veracity of Scripture? Was Paul factually wrong?

Can you please give the scripture verses that quote Timothy's faith "began"? Would it make a difference if the word "began" was not in other Bible translations?

 

[Ritajanice]

When we come to Christ we come because the Holy Spirit has drawn us to Him. We can’t decide to get saved at a certain time in our life. The only way we are saved is when the Spirit draws us.

“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me, draw him: and I will raise him up, at the last day,” John 6:44.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Can you please give the scripture verses that quote Timothy's faith "began"? Would it make a difference if the word "began" was not in other Bible translations?

I provided it just a few posts ago in this thread. I used the word "began" because that is the most accurate English translation of the Greek source. Many translation use the English word "first".

 

[ChristB4us]

James already hated the KJV. It was not the Puritans that "authorized" the replace for the Bishops Bible. You're making false claims.

Are you changing the narratives?

I said the Puritans had requested the King for a new Bible version. I did not say the Puritans authorized it.

You do not understand the origins of the KJV in 1 John 5:7. There is a KJO forum now. We can discuss there. I have already posted a thread. See if you can deal with the facts I presented.

God be willing, I shall look for that forum after lunch.

Appeal to someone who has made a living off of "Chick Publications"....Does not establish anything. Make the arguments your own or abandon such nonsense. Appealing to external sources to defend "your position" is not debating.

Now that is baloney.

David W. Daniels listed the sources for those extrabiblical citing of 1 John 5:7 as originally scripture from that list of debates far back as 200 A.D.

And the fact that by removing 1 John 5:7 about the 3 Witneses from scripture makes 1 John 5:9 fall flat for how can the witness of God be greater then men's in the earth?

Wisdom comes from the Lord, brother. I cannot give that to you.

 

[praise_yeshua]

When we come to Christ we come because the Holy Spirit has drawn us to Him. We can’t decide to get saved at a certain time in our life. The only way we are saved is when the Spirit draws us.

“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me, draw him: and I will raise him up, at the last day,” John 6:44.

The Father is mentioned in that verse. There are several ways that the Father draw men. Not the least being the indiscriminate preaching of the Gospel.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Father is mentioned in that verse. There are several ways that the Father draw men. Not the least being the indiscriminate preaching of the Gospel.

Only the Father/ God, knows how he draws his children to Jesus...

 

[ChristB4us]

When we come to Christ we come because the Holy Spirit has drawn us to Him. We can’t decide to get saved at a certain time in our life. The only way we are saved is when the Spirit draws us.

“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me, draw him: and I will raise him up, at the last day,” John 6:44.

The Father draws us into the Son per John 6:44 and it is the Father that reveals His Son to us so we can believe in Him and be saved Matthew 11:25-27 and so it is the Father that gives us unto the Son ( John 6:37 ) to save us for how the Father gives us the holy Spirit & thus faith for how we are believing in Jesus Christ thus our believing in Jesus Christ is a manifested work of God per John 3:18-21

So do not give that credit of the drawing to the holy Spirit when the scriptures gives that credit to the Father. John 6:44 again.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Are you changing the narratives?

I said the Puritans had requested the King for a new Bible version. I did not say the Puritans authorized it.

You were implying that the KJV came about because of the Puritans. It did not. I came about because of James. Puritans were "lobbyists". James made it happen and set HIS archbishop over the work. Not all Puritans sought the KJV. Many did not. Many were satisfied with the Geneva Bible. This fact is evident in it was the Puritans that brought the Geneva Bible to America. James was at odds with the Puritans in England. I am well aware of the history of all English Bibles.

God be willing, I shall look for that forum after lunch.

Now that is baloney.

David W. Daniels listed the sources for those extrabiblical citing of 1 John 5:7 as originally scripture from that list of debates far back as 200 A.D.

And the fact that by removing 1 John 5:7 about the 3 Witneses from scripture makes 1 John 5:9 fall flat for how can the witness of God be greater then men's in the earth?

Wisdom comes from the Lord, brother. I cannot give that to you.

Daniels is not here. If you want to invite him, please do. Till then, make his arguments your own. I'm not going to have a partial debate with you on this. I'm well aware of the "work" of Daniels.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Father draws us into the Son per John 6:44 and it is the Father that reveals His Son to us so we can believe in Him and be saved Matthew 11:25-27 and so it is the Father that gives us unto the Son ( John 6:37 ) to save us for how the Father gives us the holy Spirit & thus faith for how we are believing in Jesus Christ thus our believing in Jesus Christ is a manifested work of God per John 3:18-21

So do not give that credit of the drawing to the holy Spirit when the scriptures gives that credit to the Father. John 6:44 again.

The Father draws us to the Son / Jesus....the Holy Spirit births us in the spirit?

All credit goes to the Holy Spirit...as God as he is can’t birth us in the Spirit, can he?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Only the Father/ God, knows how he draws his children to Jesus...

Jesus add information for us to know....

Joh 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

I believe some are drawn that never experience the new birth.

 

[Ritajanice]

Jesus add information for us to know....

Joh 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

I believe some are drawn that never experience the new birth.

Some are drawn that never experience the new birth?

What does that mean even?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Some are drawn that never experience the new birth?

What does that mean even?

There are those that come to Jesus that never follow through in faith to embrace Jesus Christ. The Gospel of Christ draws people. This is not a guarantee of "following through"....

Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

 

[ChristB4us]

You were implying that the KJV came about because of the Puritans. It did not. I came about because of James. Puritans were "lobbyists". James made it happen and set HIS archbishop over the work. Not all Puritans sought the KJV. Many did not. Many were satisfied with the Geneva Bible. This fact is evident in it was the Puritans that brought the Geneva Bible to America. James was at odds with the Puritans in England. I am well aware of the history of all English Bibles.

Let us recap; because I did not imply that at all.

King James is dead and he outlawed the Bible of the Reformation The Geneva Bible. Such is not the qualities of a good man. The Geneva Bible is a far better Bible than the KJV.

False propaganda since it was the Puritans that made the request for a new Bible version because of those errant marginal notes that was running contrary to scripture like defying those in authority and that Jesus was Michael the archangel.

Daniels is not here. If you want to invite him, please do. Till then, make his arguments your own. I'm not going to have a lazy debate with you on this. I'm well aware of the "work" of Daniels.

I doubt you know his work when you have not shown you had looked up those extrabiblical sources to prove or disprove otherwise.

 

[ChristB4us]

The Father draws us to the Son / Jesus....the Holy Spirit births us in the spirit?

All credit goes to the Holy Spirit...as God as he is can’t birth us in the Spirit, can he?

No. The Holy Spirit's role now is to glorify the Son for anything the Spirit does and so all credit goes to the Son as seving as the Spirit of Christ.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Those led by the Spirit will be testifying of the Son so as to glorify the Son also.

The indwelling Holy Spirit will not lead believers to testify of the Spirit to seek the glory of the Spirit. Boggles the mind but there it is; the truth.

 

[Ritajanice]

No. The Holy Spirit's role now is to glorify the Son for anything the Spirit does and so all credit goes to the Son as seving as the Spirit of Christ.

Yes....the Holy Spirit, births us in the Spirit.

] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


In the Holy Ghost's role in the Godhead, He “witnesses of the Father and the Son” (2 Ne. 31:18; emphasis added), and further He actually glorifies Christ (see John 16:14).

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[praise_yeshua]

Let us recap; because I did not imply that at all.

I can read what you wrote. It was not the Puritans that originated the KJV. Many Puritans embraced the Geneva Bible and endorsed the Geneva Bible. James sought a reason to produce his "authorized" version. He hated the reformers just like Queen Mary. Again, you are implying in your comments that the reason the KJV was produced was because of Puritans. I've debated KJVOism for over 30 years. I've been around "Fundamentalism" a large portion of my life. I know what you believe. I know why you say the things you say. You didn't originate any of these arguments. Many fundamentalists have been saying these things for decades.

False propaganda since it was the Puritans that made the request for a new Bible version because of those errant marginal notes that was running contrary to scripture like defying those in authority and that Jesus was Michael the archangel.

If the Puritans hated the marginal notes why did they bring it to America with them? They didn't hate it. James hated the notes because it taught doctrine contrary to the authority of the "Church of England". You the know.... the "church" he claimed he was the "head of". Are you under the authority of the English monarchy? Did you know the English monarch still owns the copyright on the KJV? They have never given it away. They authorizes its publication in England.

I doubt you know his work when you have not shown you had looked up those extrabiblical sources to prove or disprove otherwise.

Your doubts don't establish any facts. I know the subject well. I already know the arguments you're going to make. I know of Daniel's "work".

Have you bought his books? He likes it when people buy his books. I rather believe the Scriptures when comes to "selling" what you believe is the "truth"....

I actually believe the KJV in Matthew 10:8

freely ye have received, freely give.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

I provided it just a few posts ago in this thread. I used the word "began" because that is the most accurate English translation of the Greek source. Many translation use the English word "first".

Having searched the threads before, and not seeing your quotation, naturally I asked you for it, whether that was written by you earlier in this thread or you can produce it for me again. Since neither of those things were forthcoming, I cannot comment properly on your arguments.

I suspect, however, that, based on the interaction so far, I could copy and paste the list of the different Bible translations as verses from Biblehub or somewhere like that, and it would change your interpretation of the text which you are arguing for. I would also question this idea you put forth as saying the word "began" in English is the most accurate English translation of the Greek (source). This is because people speak languages other than English and when languages are translated between each other, you get different "words" that sometimes could be 5 words in one language and 2 words in another or the same language. Greek, for example, has sometimes 6 different words for 1 English translated word, and all those other Greek words have different connotations of meaning as individual words. So, how can a translation be, as you put it "the most accurate"? That isn't the text of the scriptures, that is your overlaid opinion on it.

 

[fastfredy0]

I quoted the Scripture where Paul said that Timothy's faith BEGAN.... with generations before him. I don't believe there is any argument to contradict this verse of Scriptures. Unless you would like to deny the veracity of Scripture? Was Paul factually wrong?

I'm going to let the topic drop ... too many posts and not worth the effort to unscrambled it all ... it's not that important a topic.