Fruit Of The Spirit

[praise_yeshua]

Having searched the threads before, and not seeing your quotation, naturally I asked you for it, whether that was written by you earlier in this thread or you can produce it for me again. Since neither of those things were forthcoming, I cannot comment properly on your arguments.

You can if you read back just a few posts. You're posted links requiring me to read a vast amount of information. Information I already know. You can read back a few posts.

I suspect, however, that, based on the interaction so far, I could copy and paste the list of the different Bible translations as verses from Biblehub or somewhere like that, and it would change your interpretation of the text which you are arguing for. I would also question this idea you put forth as saying the word "began" in English is the most accurate English translation of the Greek (source).

The fact you're making such comments without even read the verse for yourself.... Say what? I already know the evidence. I'm a student of the Scripture. I have been for close to 40 years now. I don't debate things I do not know. Seems like you doing just that.

This is because people speak languages other than English and when languages are translated between each other, you get different "words" that sometimes could be 5 words in one language and 2 words in another or the same language. Greek, for example, has sometimes 6 different words for 1 English translated word, and all those other Greek words have different connotations of meaning as individual words. So, how can a translation be, as you put it "the most accurate"? That isn't the text of the scriptures, that is your overlaid opinion on it.

Not so. In fact, if you study the verse, there are several references that agree with me. Either way. Is English your primary language? If it is, can you not recognize that "first" and "begins" are synonyms?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I'm going to let the topic drop ... too many posts and not worth the effort to unscrambled it all ... it's not that important a topic.

If faith can originate in others, then it is an important aspect of the discussion.

Paul appeals to this fact in Romans 1:16. Faith to faith. Therein is the righteousness of God REVEALED... faith to faith.

 

[ReverendRV]

I'm going to let the topic drop ... too many posts and not worth the effort to unscrambled it all ... it's not that important a topic.

A person's Pretexts are unscrambled by using All Scripture; IE Theology...

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

You can if you read back just a few posts. You're posted links requiring me to read a vast amount of information. Information I already know. You can read back a few posts.



The fact you're making such comments without even read the verse for yourself.... Say what? I already know the evidence. I'm a student of the Scripture. I have been for close to 40 years now. I don't debate things I do not know. Seems like you doing just that.



Not so. In fact, if you study the verse, there are several references that agree with me. Either way. Is English your primary language? If it is, can you not recognize that "first" and "begins" are synonyms?

I AM English. So obviously I don't see how "first" and "begin" are synonyms. Are you a native English speaker yourself?

Moreover, I asked, I didn't demand. And if you can't repeat it for me or find it for me, even after I told you that I had searched for it, you clearly are having some issues here. Sorry, but that is just the facts of it here. Please repeat the Bible quote that contains the word "begin" or just give up trying to be right. I am not interested in you being right.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Actually, forget it. I have better things to do than waste time on people that equivocate and evade. I am sorry I even participated in this.

 

[fastfredy0]

If faith can originate in others, then it is an important aspect of the discussion.

"If faith can originate in others"???? That doesn't make sense. Since faith cometh by hearing (Roman 10:17) it is obvious that the literal interpretation of your premise is incorrect; faith cannot originate in others.

Paul appeals to this fact in Romans 1:16. Faith to faith.

Since the original statement is unclear ... I can't comment of subsequent statements whose foundation is the original statement that "faith can originate in others".

I'm lost.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I AM English. So obviously I don't see how "first" and "begin" are synonyms. Are you a native English speaker yourself?

Moreover, I asked, I didn't demand. And if you can't repeat it for me or find it for me, even after I told you that I had searched for it, you clearly are having some issues here. Sorry, but that is just the facts of it here. Please repeat the Bible quote that contains the word "begin" or just give up trying to be right. I am not interested in you being right.

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/first

Notice beginning.

I don't mind sharing. What I did was respond to you in like manner to how you responded to me. Did you or did you not tell me to reference the work of Daniels. You even insisted that I would be convinced if I would just study..... Without present information yourself. You then insist that I provide information that I had already provided.

Here is the verse from the KJV itself.

2Ti 1:5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

 

[praise_yeshua]

"If faith can originate in others"???? That doesn't make sense. Since faith cometh by hearing (Roman 10:17) it is obvious that the literal interpretation of your premise is incorrect; faith cannot originate in others.

According to the apostle Paul it can and did in the life of Timothy. Lois passed her faith to Eunice. Eunice passed her faith to Timothy.

2Ti 1:5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

This is perfectly consistent with the work of the Gospel and how the righteousness of God is REVEALED.... from faith to faith.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Since the original statement is unclear ... I can't comment of subsequent statements whose foundation is the original statement that "faith can originate in others".

I'm lost.

I believe my comments were clear. You may not have heard this before but I go by what I read in the Scriptures. The Scriptures read clearing in 2 Timothy 2:15.

 

[fastfredy0]

I believe my comments were clear.

Well, let's leave it at that then.

 

[ReverendRV]

"If faith can originate in others"???? That doesn't make sense. Since faith cometh by hearing (Roman 10:17) it is obvious that the literal interpretation of your premise is incorrect; faith cannot originate in others.


Since the original statement is unclear ... I can't comment of subsequent statements whose foundation is the original statement that "faith can originate in others".

I'm lost.

Theologically speaking, when a Verse says that we can have Faith; we're to presume that Grace has already appeared to make a real difference in our lives...

After a while, you'll notice that they will admit that Grace comes before Faith. But it's the times they try to sneak Faith in first before Grace, that we have to watch out for...

 

[fastfredy0]

Theologically speaking, when a Verse says that we can have Faith; we're to presume that Grace has already appeared to make a real difference in our lives...

After a while, you'll notice that they will admit that Grace comes before Faith. But it's the times they will try to sneak Faith in first before Grace, that we have to watch out for...

Agreed. There are precursors to faith.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Theologically speaking, when a Verse says that we can have Faith; we're to presume that Grace has already appeared to make a real difference in our lives...

After a while, you'll notice that they will admit that Grace comes before Faith. But it's the times they try to sneak Faith in first before Grace, that we have to watch out for...

The Incarnation was Grace on full display among humanity. Humanity is still talking about it thousands of years later.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

 

[praise_yeshua]

Agreed. There are precursors to faith.

Sure. Like breathing and such...

 

[ChristB4us]

Yes....the Holy Spirit, births us in the Spirit.

] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


In the Holy Ghost's role in the Godhead, He “witnesses of the Father and the Son” (2 Ne. 31:18; emphasis added), and further He actually glorifies Christ (see John 16:14).

I am not sure that being born of the Spirit means the same thing as being born by the Spirit.

At the same time, I have to wonder if applying being baptized by the Father with the Holy Spirit in Jesus's name at the calling of the gospel is how we are born of God since that is how the Father is adopting us for how we can call Him Father.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

We prophesy in part & know in part but if the Lord gives me confirmation on that issue sooner than later, I shall thank the Father in Jesus's name for it, God be willing.

 

[Agra Man]

Individually, this can be true. Collectively, there is clearly an indication of faith falling in subsequent generations of men. Abandonment of faith in successive generation has taken place at least twice in human history. The flood judged those that did. The scattering of Israel after the death of Jesus Christ judged the once faithful in the Crucifiction of our Lord.

very true and there will be one more before Christ comes to judge the world. If I am not mistaken he is going to do one more true revival the big one a game changer but in the tribulation well if you ask me revelation speaks of the third and greatest falling away

 

[Agra Man]

I am not sure that being born of the Spirit means the same thing as being born by the Spirit.

At the same time, I have to wonder if applying being baptized by the Father with the Holy Spirit in Jesus's name at the calling of the gospel is how we are born of God since that is how the Father is adopting us for how we can call Him Father.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

We prophesy in part & know in part but if the Lord gives me confirmation on that issue sooner than later, I shall thank the Father in Jesus's name for it, God be willing.

Do you mind if I steal a part of your post for someone?

 

[ChristB4us]

Do you mind if I steal a part of your post for someone?

Feel free since He is ministering and not me. I am nothing.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

However, I am praying for you, brother, because you are in danger of being left behind as that spirit that is visiting you is not Jesus christ when he is in you.

You cannot get any closer to Him than that other than learning of Him through His words as kept in the KJV by those that loved Him & His words.

 

[Agra Man]

Feel free since He is ministering and not me. I am nothing.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

However, I am praying for you, brother, because you are in danger of being left behind as that spirit that is visiting you is not Jesus christ when he is in you.

You cannot get any closer to Him than that other than learning of Him through His words as kept in the KJV by those that loved Him & His words.

I literally used this exact scripture for someone today that is no accident.

 

[makesends]

She refuses to accept as truth what the Holy Spirit said about God creating evil:

7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things
Is 45:7.

She wants to do all these gymnastics in interpreting these statements to avoid the truth as it is written.
She'd rather maintain her personal understanding and lean on it instead of the Word of God telling her what to believe.
She wants to tell the Word of God what to say.
Just back up through the pages. I've posted it several times.

You have not posted where she said it, as far as I have found. You've only posted where YOU say that she "refuses to accept as truth what the Holy Spirit says about God creating evil." I hope you can understand the difference. Please consider linking to where she "refuses to accept as truth what the Holy Spirit says about God creating evil." I'm beginning to think you can't support your assertion.

 

[makesends]

See #148

Here is #148, which is you talking, not @Eleanor talking:

People are saved with the truth of the Word of God and God doesn't use lies to bring about conversion. That would be sin.
God uses His Word of Truth in ALL conversions to the truth.

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1 Pe 1:23.

And it covers both the written and spoken Word of God.
God spoke salvation to His Elect in eternity in Himself and brings it to pass at the appointed time in our dispensation of TIME.

THIS is pretty obviously not where @Eleanor "rejects what the Scriptures say in Isaiah". Can you please link where she rejects what the Scriptures say in Isaiah? I'm not asking you how she is wrong, nor what Isaiah says, nor even what Isaiah means, just now. I'm asking where she says something that shows she rejects what Isaiah says. Capiche?