Fruit Of The Spirit

[praise_yeshua]

You will have a hard time proving that the majority of believers came to Christ through a perfect rendition of the Gospel.

I would agree. However, it can be said to be true that MORE believers come to Christ through a perfect rendition of the Gospel. Or... more believers are successful and produce more fruit through the perfect rendition of the Gospel. Thusly producing more Christians.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Proverbs 28:26​

26 If you think you know it all, you're a fool for sure; real survivors learn wisdom from others.

I don't know IT ALL.
But on the subject of who died when the house fell down in Job and on translations I know enough.
And I am not deceived.
I plant and another waters.
But God gives the increase.
And as far as learning 'wisdom?'

I'll let the Word of God address that statement:

18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Eccles. 1:18.

I know a great deal about making my salvation sure.
It has cost me everything.
If you only knew.

 

[praise_yeshua]

God certainly did all those things to Job through mediators:

3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. Job 2:3.

Got it?

I've "got it". You're wrong. It is difficult for me to see how you are determining what you believe based upon a poor understand of grammar and language.

Satan didn't "move" God to take action against Job. God is "Immutable". Your issue is understanding that languages are complex and words often have more than one meaning.

 

[Ritajanice]

I know a great deal about making my salvation sure.
It has cost me everything.
If you only knew.

Making your salvation sure?

Only the Living word of God can birth us in the Spirit, then we know 100% we are saved from eternal damnation.

We belong to God and I certainly haven’t lost anything....there is nothing good in self ...Spirit gives birth to spirit.....flesh gives birth to flesh....one can’t see the Kingdom of God..unless they are Born Again...only God can do that “ supernaturally “.

I don’t understand your post to be honest.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I am very happy with the NIV...if it’s not allowed on this forum...then I will leave....are you saying I’m not allowed to use the NIV?....maybe @preacher4truth can answer?...thank you.

I’m being told the NIV is corrupt by @jeremiah1five .

I have studied Born Again for years from the word of God, NIV and understand perfectly what his word is saying in that version.

Knowing the NIV is a corrupt translation and me saying you're not allowed to use it here are two different things.
First, I confess to my statements on history of the corrupt Revised Version and the English translations that derive from it, BUT NOWHERE do I say you're not allowed to use it here.
This is evidence of an understanding deficiency.
And putting words in my mouth.
AND THAT is deceptive.
Deceit is not of God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Nope. Not Mormon.
Look up the word "young" in Strong's and let it open your eyes!

I know what the text says. It doesn't say what you want it to say. Like I said "I ALONE ESCAPED"... is very clear.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Says you!.....no one knows the heart of God’s child....only God knows their heart and where they are at, on their journey with him through the Spirit.

[edit by mod: take some time off]

 

[Ritajanice]

I know your heart and anyone else's heart/life when they open their mouth, or in this case, their keyboard.

You don’t know my heart.,sorry..only the Living God does.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I would agree. However, it can be said to be true that MORE believers come to Christ through a perfect rendition of the Gospel. Or... more believers are successful and produce more fruit through the perfect rendition of the Gospel. Thusly producing more Christians.

One must first be born of God and His seed remaineth.
Secondly, if the ground is bad the fruit will be bad.
It also depends on the seed.
And the seed is the Word of God.
Or the seed is not of God.
And that is the present discussion.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Making your salvation sure?

Only the Living word of God can birth us in the Spirit, then we know 100% we are saved from eternal damnation.

We belong to God and I certainly haven’t lost anything....there is nothing good in self ...Spirit gives birth to spirit.....flesh gives birth to flesh....one can’t see the Kingdom of God..unless they are Born Again...only God can do that “ supernaturally “.

I don’t understand your post to be honest.

I know.

 

[Ritajanice]

I know.

And you obviously don’t understand my question that I asked you x 2....interesting.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I've "got it". You're wrong. It is difficult for me to see how you are determining what you believe based upon a poor understand of grammar and language.

Satan didn't "move" God to take action against Job. God is "Immutable". Your issue is understanding that languages are complex and words often have more than one meaning.

I take the Scripture as written and a study of these words in that sentence are sound:

3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. Job 2:2–3.

God started it.
Satan responded.
In this narrative God was the antagonist and Satan the motivator.
And Job in the test-tube.

 

[praise_yeshua]

One must first be born of God and His seed remaineth.
Secondly, if the ground is bad the fruit will be bad.
It also depends on the seed.
And the seed is the Word of God.
Or the seed is not of God.
And that is the present discussion.

I don't have to operate within the confines of the argument you constructed above.

Dirt is dirt. Ground is ground. In the parable of the sower, the condition of the ground is what establishes the prosperity of the seed.

Rock is formed from dirt. Thorns come from weeds that "choke" out the seed. I reject most of what you wrote above.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I know what the text says. It doesn't say what you want it to say. Like I said "I ALONE ESCAPED"... is very clear.

And like verse 15, 16, 17, and 18, and 19 the servants died.
Every day Job prayed and offered sacrifices for his six kids in case they had sinned.
They were "covered," if you will.
God honored his prayers and sacrifices and protected Job's kids. They didn't die when the house fell down.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I take the Scripture as written and a study of these words in that sentence are sound:

3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. Job 2:2–3.

God started it.
Satan responded.
In this narrative God was the antagonist and Satan the motivator.
And Job in the test-tube.

I've given you multiple similar scenarios and asked if.... YOU are to blame and you're ignoring them. It doesn't matter if God started it. You're claiming that because God created all things that He is responsible for bad things. This is preposterous. You don't operate under the same parameters as you're forcing upon God.

If you built a car and then sold it.... and the buyer had an accident and died....are you responsible for that death?

 

[praise_yeshua]

And like verse 15, 16, 17, and 18, and 19 the servants died.
Every day Job prayed and offered sacrifices for his six kids in case they had sinned.
They were "covered," if you will.
God honored his prayers and sacrifices and protected Job's kids. They didn't die when the house fell down.

You didn't deal with the part that clearly said "I ALONE HAVE ESCAPED".... Do you care to pay attention to ALL of the narrative? You have a 'forest for the trees" issue here.

 

[Ritajanice]

One must first be born of God and His seed remaineth.
Secondly, if the ground is bad the fruit will be bad.
It also depends on the seed.
And the seed is the Word of God.
Or the seed is not of God.
And that is the present discussion.

The seed of God is planted by God through the Holy Spirit...he is the one who opens up the believers heart to receive his word, only God can do that...a Born Again imo/ belief...knows 100% they have been birthed in the Spirit...there is no doubt..they received that vital living word for Faith to grow......Without God’s supernatural word...there is nothing!!...you must be birthed in the spirit..

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◄ 1 John 3:9 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You don’t know my heart.,sorry..only the Living God does.

What comes out of your mouth, Jesus said, reveals your heart/life.

16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: Mt 15:15–20.

34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Mt 12:34–37.

4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 Jn 4.


12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. Heb 4:12–13.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I don't have to operate within the confines of the argument you constructed above.

Dirt is dirt. Ground is ground. In the parable of the sower, the condition of the ground is what establishes the prosperity of the seed.

Rock is formed from dirt. Thorns come from weeds that "choke" out the seed. I reject most of what you wrote above.

A farmer doesn't bury good seed in bad, unprepared ground.
In the parable of the sower the seed was good but notice the condition of the ground and what was produced.
In this parable there is nothing wrong with the Seed (which is the Word of God.)
But having bad seed (like the NIV) planted in bad ground doesn't produce anything good.
Either make the tree good or make the tree bad/evil.
A good tree is known by it's fruit.
A bad tree is known by its lack of fruit.
Good does not come from evil. Sin does not come from holy.

 

[Ritajanice]

What comes out of your mouth, Jesus said, reveals your heart/life.

16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: Mt 15:15–20.

34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Mt 12:34–37.

4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 Jn 4.


12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. Heb 4:12–13.

You don’t know the depths of my heart...only God knows that.

The mouth like yours at times as well as mine...talks a load of “:flesh”.