Baptism of the holy spirit born again and... born again again?

[makesends]

1 John 4:1-6 The apostle John says to do that.

2 Corinthians 11:1-4 Paul did the same thing & added 2 Corinthians 13:5 for the examination of our faith in that same epistle.

I'm not ignorant of these passages.

You needn't prove to me what I've already agreed with you on.

If you think testing the spirits is by how it feels good, do heed this warning; because there are seducing spirits.

Where do you get the notion that I think testing the spirits is by how it feels good? Really? That's pretty insulting, my man!

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

I had but @Agra Man has not responded.

Good. I hadn't seen that. Well done.

 

[Agra Man]

Everyone I am sorry for being mia, I am currently sick right now it is some kind of flu like bug or something. I am not trying to ignore anyone but I hope you all are well and please be patiennt

Also if I am causing trouble here I am sorry I am going through a process with God as I am dealing with being sick

but things are changing and he is doing something behind the scenes I don't know what i is it's just a sense of knowing kind of feeling but when I think about what it might be I just get really excited

I know that is vague but if I recieve something from him it isn't normally a clear cut thing you won't hear me proclaiming that the rapture is coming or anything

I just follow his lead I don't really think past that my mind could try to percieve whatever it wants but that would be confusing and honestly I am kind of like the simplicity of his lead so please don't make any assumptions please.

 

[Carbon]

Everyone I am sorry for being mia, I am currently sick right now it is some kind of flu like bug or something. I am not trying to ignore anyone but I hope you all are well and please be patiennt

Also if I am causing trouble here I am sorry I am going through a process with God as I am dealing with being sick

but things are changing and he is doing something behind the scenes I don't know what i is it's just a sense of knowing kind of feeling but when I think about what it might be I just get really excited

I know that is vague but if I recieve something from him it isn't normally a clear cut thing you won't hear me proclaiming that the rapture is coming or anything

I just follow his lead I don't really think past that my mind could try to percieve whatever it wants but that would be confusing and honestly I am kind of like the simplicity of his lead so please don't make any assumptions please.

No problem just get well.

 

[Deleted member 5]

Everyone I am sorry for being mia, I am currently sick right now it is some kind of flu like bug or something. I am not trying to ignore anyone but I hope you all are well and please be patiennt

Also if I am causing trouble here I am sorry I am going through a process with God as I am dealing with being sick

but things are changing and he is doing something behind the scenes I don't know what i is it's just a sense of knowing kind of feeling but when I think about what it might be I just get really excited

I know that is vague but if I recieve something from him it isn't normally a clear cut thing you won't hear me proclaiming that the rapture is coming or anything

I just follow his lead I don't really think past that my mind could try to percieve whatever it wants but that would be confusing and honestly I am kind of like the simplicity of his lead so please don't make any assumptions please.

Yes, get better then get back in here so we can straighten you out.

 

[ChristB4us]

Are you claiming that, when God's people worship him together, the presence of the Spirit of Christ is absent?

Are you claiming that the Holy Spirit is only in a Christian and cannot also visit you, so that you can perceive his external presence (He is omnipresent you know)?

By His grace & by His help, let's try this again by me asking questions in return because of the questions you had asked.

What need for the Holy Spirit to visit the congregation of believers when He is in every one of them as our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit?

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

How can any believer get any closer to God by a visitation of "God" when He is in them forever since salvation?

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

How can you test for the spirit of the antichrist if you ignore Him being in you by thinking that is Him outside of you by that visitation?

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[ChristB4us]

I'm not ignorant of these passages.

You needn't prove to me what I've already agreed with you on.

Yet you had posted earlier for why I had cited those passages.

Your response seems to me a bit more defensive than necessary. Obviously I do not think we should not test the spirits. All I was saying is, "Be careful." I do see more reason than not, to agree with you concerning the notion that his experience is counterfeit. But neither you nor I tested the spirit he claims to have encountered.

@Agra Man had given enough information of feeling a spirit visit the room and so that is all we need to know.

The apostle John gives that line of discernment as greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world .... and even Paul warned us about "another Jesus" or another spirit" that someone may be preaching & reminded us where Jesus Christ is as in us.

Where do you get the notion that I think testing the spirits is by how it feels good? Really? That's pretty insulting, my man!

I did use the term "if"....

"If you think testing the spirits is by how it feels good, do heed this warning; because there are seducing spirits."

Good. I hadn't seen that. Well done.

It is on God to cause the increase, as we cannot make any believer test the spirits but we can show just cause for why in spite of the feel good experience and how they can.... by the scriptures.

 

[ChristB4us]

Everyone I am sorry for being mia, I am currently sick right now it is some kind of flu like bug or something. I am not trying to ignore anyone but I hope you all are well and please be patiennt

Also if I am causing trouble here I am sorry I am going through a process with God as I am dealing with being sick

but things are changing and he is doing something behind the scenes I don't know what i is it's just a sense of knowing kind of feeling but when I think about what it might be I just get really excited

I know that is vague but if I recieve something from him it isn't normally a clear cut thing you won't hear me proclaiming that the rapture is coming or anything

I just follow his lead I don't really think past that my mind could try to percieve whatever it wants but that would be confusing and honestly I am kind of like the simplicity of his lead so please don't make any assumptions please.

The Holy Spirit is in you as Jesus Christ is in you.

Any visitation being felt outside of you, no matter how good the experience makes you feel, that is the spirit of the antichrist.

If an angel had visited you in giving you a message from the Lord, you would have to ask Jesus why send the angel when He can speak to you through His words in the Holy Spirit in you or by leading you to read scriptures?

So when you testify to the Spirit of Christ was in your room... I think of this warning that the elect could be deceived by.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect in departing from our faith that He is in us to go seeking that spirit to visit again.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

 

[David1701]

By His grace & by His help, let's try this again by me asking questions in return because of the questions you had asked.

What need for the Holy Spirit to visit the congregation of believers when He is in every one of them as our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit?

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

How can any believer get any closer to God by a visitation of "God" when He is in them forever since salvation?

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

How can you test for the spirit of the antichrist if you ignore Him being in you by thinking that is Him outside of you by that visitation?

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

God is omnipresent. He is not limited to being inside you or outside you.

Now, why don't you answer my questions?

 

[ReverendRV]

I actually have a question about something that happened to me near the beginning of this year. Is it possible to be reborn a second time? some call it an anointing but the anointing God showed me is not here yet but this wasan event that tchanged me I have always been very close with God even from the start he and I were always very intimate and personal but when this changed happened to me it is like sudden;ly basically everything he has been teaching me and everything he instilled in me was enhanced.

I no longer have to seek him out to be close to him he resides with me not just inside me I mean he literally moved into my room with me he comes and goes but visits quite often this was never the case before I mean he would interact with me every now and then in supernatural ways or just blessing me with his presence snd yet even then it didn't compare to the presence he brings now.

The deeper hidden truths are being taught to me like he wants me to go into the great unknown with him into the barrier that many are stuck at he keeps telling me about all the things I read in the bible but you don't see it these days we live ina generation of unbelief and that goes for us as Christians as well.

Even we who are called followers of Christ often times don't follow him and when we do it tends to be good but still lacking something.

I ponder about the words Jesus said that with faith anything is possible with God. Think of that anything, he used a word that means limitless unbound freely asked freely given kind of word.

But seeing the world today the dryness of the holy spirit the lack of evidence that we believe what we read we say we do but we clearly lack the power to prove it, you see and hear of miracles but most people for whatever reasopn don't seem to get this a lot.

When this change happened to me this is when I started to see the holes in our system.

Divide and confuse cause strife and have the enemy kill itself off this is a very good war stratigy and is the enemies favorite. Now look at all these denomination look at all the doctrines within those deniominations now look at all the different views and interpretations of them and see how the church gets into it with each other about this stuff and more importantly look at the word of God.

We have so many different intepretations three people can see the same verse and think it says something else each person believeing it to be from the holy spirit and the truth.

We make it seem to contradict itself we use it for our own petty purposes to attack or just argue with each other each person able to pick a verse to counter the one presented to them.

We call the bible the word of God, if God gave you a word how would you treat it? would you treat with respect and use it only when you know it should be used or would you throw around verse after verse treating it like just words on paper like any other book.

Sorry I got a bit off topic there

Years ago, I got Saved on a Sunday; I took the Leap of Faith in Christ as my Lord and Savior. But in a few weeks, I was laying in my bed thinking; "Since God Judged me as Righteous; everyone else that judges me is just a Critic"...

That's when I felt like a New Creature; and I changed. Later, I would ask questions like, Was I Saved when I first Believed, but was Born Again much later?

Now, I think I first Believed and became a New Creation at the same time; a little later. I don't think people can be Born Again twice. Jesus said you cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven unless you are Born of Water and the Spirit. Therefore, being Born Again twice would be entering the Kingdom of God twice. We enter the Kingdom of God through Faith Alone; John 5:24. The Epistle of Hebrews teaches we cannot be Saved twice; and I say re-entering the Kingdom of God, is being Saved twice...

 

[ReverendRV]

Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”[John 3:3]

Jesus did not tell Nicodemus he must be born again, and again, and again. Just like we can only be physically born once, we also cannot be born again two or more times.

Notice what Jesus tells Nicodemus after he said this “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." Jesus reiterates what He told him to begin with, "You must be born again." There are no multiple births in/of the Spirit. One is sufficient.

Darn; I should have read Post #2 before I posted the same thing...

 

[ReverendRV]

No close encounters with him have happened enough for me to know the difference what this was is different I know we go through phases with him where we grow closer however this was a sudden jump from one level with him to a brand new one it was not normal

Change the topic to, "When was Saul of Tarsus Born Again; on the Road to Damascus, or when the Scales fell from his eyes?"

I'm not trying to start a fight, or say we HAVE to believe one way or the other...

 

[ChristB4us]

God is omnipresent. He is not limited to being inside you or outside you.

Then since He is omnipresent, why the visit as if He was not there before?

Now, why don't you answer my questions?

Let's see if I can actually find that question.

Are you claiming that, when God's people worship him together, the presence of the Spirit of Christ is absent?

If already saved believers seek for the Holy Spirit to come, what are they doing but denying He is in them and thus absent.

Are you claiming that the Holy Spirit is only in a Christian and cannot also visit you, so that you can perceive his external presence (He is omnipresent you know)?

Why would the Holy Spirit visit as if He is not in you?

Tell me how you test the spirits to discern the holy Spirit from the spirit of the antichrist?

 

[David1701]

Then since He is omnipresent, why the visit as if He was not there before?

No-one said that He was not there before. The point is how He affects us by His presence.

If already saved believers seek for the Holy Spirit to come, what are they doing but denying He is in them and thus absent.

Believers do not ask for the Holy Spirit to come in the way that you describe. They do not ask for Him to indwell, since He is already there.

Why would the Holy Spirit visit as if He is not in you?

No-one said that He is not in us.

Tell me how you test the spirits to discern the holy Spirit from the spirit of the antichrist?

There are several tests:

Does the spirit acknowledge that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, in the past, with the result continuing in the present?

Does the spirit acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord?

Does the spirit acknowledge that Jesus Christ is God?

Does the spirit deny any other fundamentals of the faith?

Does the spirit tempt anyone to idolatry or sin?

etc.

 

[ChristB4us]

No-one said that He was not there before. The point is how He affects us by His presence.

There is such a thing as hypocrisy among believers and I do discern that be the case per this warning below.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

A week before my visit to my Aunt's church, I was reading the Daily Bread and the Upper Room when at the bottom of that page for that daily reading, it posed the question but when I read it I was under the impression as the Lord was placing a sense of urgency on it which said "Decide this day Whom you will serve. The Lord Jesus Christ or something else in His name."

I said out loud in the privacy of my bedroom "You of course" but the sense of urgency remain, and so I prayed "Please help me to do this.." and that sense of urgency was gone leaving me with His peace once again.

When confronted with the holy laughter phenomenon at my Aunt's church several states away, they had shared a video of the event that just happened a week prior to that Sunday visit with my folks. In that video, some guest speaker was trying to give a sermon on the tragedy of Samson & Delilah and was interrupted by several bouts of smirking and giggles until he gave up and said, " I do not know what the Holy Spirit is doing but.." and apparently they went with the flow, people leaving their pews to come forward and fall down laughing seemingly uncontrollably.

After watching the video prior to the service that the church had us watch all newcomers to see, we went to the service where the pastor stood up and allowed several young adults testify of their phenomenal experience. before finishing up with, "I do not know what is going on... but let us come forward and.." and the he concluded with "man must get out of the way and the Holy Spirit will move in."

As people went forward with catchers for those that fell backwards, I stood in the pew watching this unfold spotting only one member laughing uncontrollably at the front. My dad left but my mother had stayed along with my Aunt and her family. Eventually, I felt a supernatural phenomenon of a hand pushing me on the back of my right shoulder as if to go forward. There was no one behind me. Two more times this had happened.

One member spotted me looking and for whatever the reason, walked from her section of pews into my section of pews behind me and walked past me and then around to walk down my pew row and stood there for a little bit before "losing self control by falling back into the pew" but I noticed her eyes moving under her eyelids as if to see if I was looking. I discern that as faking it, but nevertheless, there was something going on ere.

So I went forward, thinking the Lord wants me to get a healing for my deaf ear and tinnitus in my right ear. NOT. Some man pushed me on my forehead for me to fall back and I did so voluntarily as the catchers lowered me to the ground. Nothing happened.

I got up and looked around, seeing one person praying for something and the guy in front of him must have been told by him not to touch him or push him back but he did wave his had in front of his face as if to make him feel the "breath" of the Holy Spirit or something. The seeker's head jerked back and fell backwards while that man that did wave his hand and the two catchers were holding back smirks and laughter as they walked away to their next person.

I walked out of there mad, but something was amiss as there was a phenomenon happening there, feeling an unseen hand pushing me forward like that three times.

Then I read David Wilkerson's news letter about the role of the Holy Ghost. The scriptures told the truth that the holy Spirit would never take the spotlight off of Christ to Himself at all as He is sent to testify of the Son to glorify the Son.

You would think I would connect teh warning to what was happening to keep me from falling for it or serving it in seeking the glory of that movement of the "spirit" but I did not tell several weeks later, if I recalled correctly. Just goes to show how much I needed the Lord then to just serve Him and not get carried away with apostate movements of the spirits of the antichrist.

So it was later that it all came together as that which was felt outside of me was the spirit of the antichrist which was in the world.

The sad point for David Wilkerson is that in a show on TV, he could not figure out why sign seekers were coming to his service but the Lord helped me to se why and that was because he was taking like them for he prayed for the Holy Spirit to be sent into the worship place and he has testified several times of feeling His Presence in the worship place hence that line of discernment as being that spirit of the antichrist.

 

[ChristB4us]

Believers do not ask for the Holy Spirit to come in the way that you describe. They do not ask for Him to indwell, since He is already there.

Oh, but some do and it happens and so you have to ask Jesus if this is not the great falling away from the faith that is to happen before He comes when the focus is shifted away from the Son to the spirits of the antichrist in seeking after them to receive by a sign which is what the Azusa Street Revival did when emphasizing the baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

It is no wonder to me why that tongue is not coming with interpretation but gibberish nonsense, and thereby assumed for private use because it is not of Him at all.

No-one said that He is not in us.

Can you receive Jesus Christ again by heeding this warning?

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

How can anyone tests the spirits if the holy Spirit is felt outside of us in the worship place for where the spirit of the antichrist is out there too?

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[ChristB4us]

There are several tests:

Does the spirit acknowledge that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, in the past, with the result continuing in the present?

I understand that several Bible version has changed the warning given by the apostle John but it is about testing the spirits when you discern that line in the sand in verses 3-4. It is not about debunking that Jesus had never come in the flesh, but where Jesus Christ is presently.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

John is saying the exact same thing as Paul was saying in regards to the examination of our faith in Jesus Christ that He is in us presently per 2 Corinthians 13:5 and John is heeding Paul's warning about preaching another Jesus or another spirit when we know He is in us always. It is hypocrisy to seek His Presence outside of us when He is in us always per our faith in Jesus Christ.

Does the spirit acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord?

Does the spirit acknowledge that Jesus Christ is God?

Does not the apparitions of the "virgin" Mary do the same?

Does the spirit deny any other fundamentals of the faith?

Like denying Jesus Christ is in us for chasing after that spirit of the antichrist for its visitations of signs & lying wonders? This is why we should be able to discern that spirit visiting is not the Holy Spirit but the spirit of the antichrist.

Does the spirit tempt anyone to idolatry or sin?

etc.

Yes, by chasing after them to receive after a sign as if He is not in them since salvation at the hearing of the gospel for when we had first believed.

 

[David1701]

There is such a thing as hypocrisy among believers and I do discern that be the case per this warning below.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

A week before my visit to my Aunt's church, I was reading the Daily Bread and the Upper Room when at the bottom of that page for that daily reading, it posed the question but when I read it I was under the impression as the Lord was placing a sense of urgency on it which said "Decide this day Whom you will serve. The Lord Jesus Christ or something else in His name."

I said out loud in the privacy of my bedroom "You of course" but the sense of urgency remain, and so I prayed "Please help me to do this.." and that sense of urgency was gone leaving me with His peace once again.

When confronted with the holy laughter phenomenon at my Aunt's church several states away, they had shared a video of the event that just happened a week prior to that Sunday visit with my folks. In that video, some guest speaker was trying to give a sermon on the tragedy of Samson & Delilah and was interrupted by several bouts of smirking and giggles until he gave up and said, " I do not know what the Holy Spirit is doing but.." and apparently they went with the flow, people leaving their pews to come forward and fall down laughing seemingly uncontrollably.

After watching the video prior to the service that the church had us watch all newcomers to see, we went to the service where the pastor stood up and allowed several young adults testify of their phenomenal experience. before finishing up with, "I do not know what is going on... but let us come forward and.." and the he concluded with "man must get out of the way and the Holy Spirit will move in."

As people went forward with catchers for those that fell backwards, I stood in the pew watching this unfold spotting only one member laughing uncontrollably at the front. My dad left but my mother had stayed along with my Aunt and her family. Eventually, I felt a supernatural phenomenon of a hand pushing me on the back of my right shoulder as if to go forward. There was no one behind me. Two more times this had happened.

One member spotted me looking and for whatever the reason, walked from her section of pews into my section of pews behind me and walked past me and then around to walk down my pew row and stood there for a little bit before "losing self control by falling back into the pew" but I noticed her eyes moving under her eyelids as if to see if I was looking. I discern that as faking it, but nevertheless, there was something going on ere.

So I went forward, thinking the Lord wants me to get a healing for my deaf ear and tinnitus in my right ear. NOT. Some man pushed me on my forehead for me to fall back and I did so voluntarily as the catchers lowered me to the ground. Nothing happened.

I got up and looked around, seeing one person praying for something and the guy in front of him must have been told by him not to touch him or push him back but he did wave his had in front of his face as if to make him feel the "breath" of the Holy Spirit or something. The seeker's head jerked back and fell backwards while that man that did wave his hand and the two catchers were holding back smirks and laughter as they walked away to their next person.

I walked out of there mad, but something was amiss as there was a phenomenon happening there, feeling an unseen hand pushing me forward like that three times.

Then I read David Wilkerson's news letter about the role of the Holy Ghost. The scriptures told the truth that the holy Spirit would never take the spotlight off of Christ to Himself at all as He is sent to testify of the Son to glorify the Son.

You would think I would connect teh warning to what was happening to keep me from falling for it or serving it in seeking the glory of that movement of the "spirit" but I did not tell several weeks later, if I recalled correctly. Just goes to show how much I needed the Lord then to just serve Him and not get carried away with apostate movements of the spirits of the antichrist.

So it was later that it all came together as that which was felt outside of me was the spirit of the antichrist which was in the world.

The sad point for David Wilkerson is that in a show on TV, he could not figure out why sign seekers were coming to his service but the Lord helped me to se why and that was because he was taking like them for he prayed for the Holy Spirit to be sent into the worship place and he has testified several times of feeling His Presence in the worship place hence that line of discernment as being that spirit of the antichrist.

In seeking to discern the false and the true, you have to be careful not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. God is God and he can cause you to sense his presence (as huge numbers of genuine Christians can testify). This is absolutely not a denial of Christ in us, since God is omnipresent.

Regarding the "laughing revival": I've been in meetings where this happened (about 25 years ago) and I agree that a lot of it was definitely not of God. I also agree that the Holy Spirit points to Jesus, not himself.

 

[ChristB4us]

In seeking to discern the false and the true, you have to be careful not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. God is God and he can cause you to sense his presence (as huge numbers of genuine Christians can testify). This is absolutely not a denial of Christ in us, since God is omnipresent.

Regarding the "laughing revival": I've been in meetings where this happened (about 25 years ago) and I agree that a lot of it was definitely not of God. I also agree that the Holy Spirit points to Jesus, not himself.

Yet in any apostate movement of the "spirit", the focus is on the Holy Spirit in worship.

This is why I believe God allows strong delusion to occur when seeking such visitations when He is in us always since salvation.

 

[makesends]

The scriptures told the truth that the holy Spirit would never take the spotlight off of Christ to Himself at all as He is sent to testify of the Son to glorify the Son.

This is exactly right. Thank you.

 

[Agra Man]

The Holy Spirit is in you as Jesus Christ is in you.

Any visitation being felt outside of you, no matter how good the experience makes you feel, that is the spirit of the antichrist.

If an angel had visited you in giving you a message from the Lord, you would have to ask Jesus why send the angel when He can speak to you through His words in the Holy Spirit in you or by leading you to read scriptures?

So when you testify to the Spirit of Christ was in your room... I think of this warning that the elect could be deceived by.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect in departing from our faith that He is in us to go seeking that spirit to visit again.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Yes but this all under the assumption that the spirit I am with is what you think but make no mistake I am not the type to get into spiritual hype and I know him personally I recognize his voice and presence as he said his sheep would

Knowing who he is and all he has already done for us do you really think it so strange that he would reveal himself to those who truly would chase after him?

See this isn't about experiences or spiritual things and Honestly it isn't even about being a Christian to me I see his heart and only his heart that is what keeps me going not the experiences they are amazing and wonderful yes but your assumption if you ask me is the spirit of the antichrist and quite frankly uncalled for
Are we not to testify the good things he has done for us? like this man here in Luke 8:39 “Return to your house and describe what great things God has done for you.” So he went away, proclaiming throughout the whole city what great things Jesus had done for him

This is just how I am and he has often used this method with me many times but the reason I speak of these things is because to me they are bits and pieces of him more and more of him I am learning of and experiencing first hand and if others only knew the depth of what I am talking about but I cannot speak of it because obviously just speaking of this stuff doesn't get taken well.

I am reasonable but if your going to be making such harsh assumptions maybe get to know me better first