Baptism of the holy spirit born again and... born again again?

[makesends]

@Fred & @Carbon & @makesends & @SovereignGrace

I can only hope in the Lord Jesus Christ that He will help you discern with Him that phenomenon you are experiencing is not of Him at all, but the spirit of the antichrist which is said to come to a place to fool even the elect.

Am I reading you wrong here? Are you attributing to me some phenomenon being described? Or are you just collecting us to read what you are attributing to, and answering, @Agra Man ?

 

[ChristB4us]

Am I reading you wrong here? Are you attributing to me some phenomenon being described? Or are you just collecting us to read what you are attributing to, and answering, @Agra Man ?

In relation to the OP and you all discussing it and yet not able to discern what that phenomenon was, was the only reason I tagged you along with others to that OP I was replying towards of whom that phenomenon had happened to.

Sorry for any confusion that you attribute the reply as to all those that were tagged when replying to the OP.

 

[makesends]

In relation to the OP and you all discussing it and yet not able to discern what that phenomenon was, was the only reason I tagged you along with others to that OP I was replying towards of whom that phenomenon had happened to.

Sorry for any confusion that you attribute the reply as to all those that were tagged when replying to the OP.

I'm not so sure we were not able to discern what that phenomenon was.

I can only hope in the Lord Jesus Christ that He will help you discern with Him that phenomenon you are experiencing is not of Him at all, but the spirit of the antichrist which is said to come to a place to fool even the elect.

You say, here, apparently speaking to us, "that phenomenon you are experiencing..." so I am still confused to whom you wrote that.

 

[makesends]

@Fred & @Carbon & @makesends & @SovereignGrace

I can only hope in the Lord Jesus Christ that He will help you discern with Him that phenomenon you are experiencing is not of Him at all, but the spirit of the antichrist which is said to come to a place to fool even the elect.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Thus the necessity to heed the warning from the apostle John to not believe every spirit but test them.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Verse 2 above is the same thing as Paul saying in 2 Corinthians 13:5 in the examination of our faith that Jesus Christ is in us. This is what is meant by "is come in the flesh" rather than past tense as if doubting Jesus Christ had ever come in the flesh as some modern bibles has changed that message to mean. Remember that this is about testing the spirits and not just the "prophets".

Verses 3 & 4 confirms this as verse 4 is drawing the line of discernment as to where Jesus Christ is being in us rather than outside of us in the world where the spirit of the antichrist is at.

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

We are even to test the supernatural tongues it brings because there has been a pagan supernatural tongue in the world that is just gibberish nonsense as found in the occult in Isaiah 8:19 and in Roman idolatry The History of Tongues: Pagan Practices Note also physical healing can take place, but this is why the real God's gift of tongues is never for private use but for God to speak unto the people in their native tongue.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Anyway, what you are experiencing is the spirit of the antichrist as everything will seem to be enhanced only because that is how you are being seduced but the scriptures says that is not Jesus Christ but the spirit of the antichrist.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13;5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

One hope of our calling means only one baptism with the Holy Ghost.

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

For all of us to say the same thing, only one drink of the One Spirit that we had been all baptized by at the calling of the gosple when we had first believed in Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

No more filling of the Holy Spirit after salvation because Jesus said that we would never hunger nor thirst to be filled after coming to & believing in Him.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

We are not leaky vessels as we are always Spirit-filled as a testimony that God has saved us.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

No saved believer is lacking anything for why we are to walk in Christ Jesus in His words so as to not chase after spirits for a sign at all.

Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

I hope the Lord will deliver you from that spirit of the antichrist & any further visitations by it as it seeks to come in between you & Jesus Christ. That is what antichrist does as in "instead of Christ" rather than "against Christ". That spirit of the antichrist in the world by its visitations, seeks to take the place of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

This should be addressed to @Agra Man. I'm not the one being fooled.

 

[makesends]

I actually have a question about something that happened to me near the beginning of this year. Is it possible to be reborn a second time? some call it an anointing but the anointing God showed me is not here yet but this wasan event that tchanged me I have always been very close with God even from the start he and I were always very intimate and personal but when this changed happened to me it is like sudden;ly basically everything he has been teaching me and everything he instilled in me was enhanced.

I no longer have to seek him out to be close to him he resides with me not just inside me I mean he literally moved into my room with me he comes and goes but visits quite often this was never the case before I mean he would interact with me every now and then in supernatural ways or just blessing me with his presence snd yet even then it didn't compare to the presence he brings now.

The deeper hidden truths are being taught to me like he wants me to go into the great unknown with him into the barrier that many are stuck at he keeps telling me about all the things I read in the bible but you don't see it these days we live ina generation of unbelief and that goes for us as Christians as well.

Even we who are called followers of Christ often times don't follow him and when we do it tends to be good but still lacking something.

I ponder about the words Jesus said that with faith anything is possible with God. Think of that anything, he used a word that means limitless unbound freely asked freely given kind of word.

But seeing the world today the dryness of the holy spirit the lack of evidence that we believe what we read we say we do but we clearly lack the power to prove it, you see and hear of miracles but most people for whatever reasopn don't seem to get this a lot.

When this change happened to me this is when I started to see the holes in our system.

Divide and confuse cause strife and have the enemy kill itself off this is a very good war stratigy and is the enemies favorite. Now look at all these denomination look at all the doctrines within those deniominations now look at all the different views and interpretations of them and see how the church gets into it with each other about this stuff and more importantly look at the word of God.

We have so many different intepretations three people can see the same verse and think it says something else each person believeing it to be from the holy spirit and the truth.

We make it seem to contradict itself we use it for our own petty purposes to attack or just argue with each other each person able to pick a verse to counter the one presented to them.

We call the bible the word of God, if God gave you a word how would you treat it? would you treat with respect and use it only when you know it should be used or would you throw around verse after verse treating it like just words on paper like any other book.

Sorry I got a bit off topic there

FWIW, no, one is not born again, again, though God can do anything he wants, and make it seem that way to you. I mentioned my Wesleyan friend: I told him it is more likely that he was born again at the time he though the second work of grace happened, than that he was born again, again. BUT it is also possible that he was, as he thought, long ago born again, and that later God did something in him to (apparently) remove his ability to consciously rebel. God can do that. But I see no scriptural warrant to think that he became without sin, as contradicts James.

I also wanted to mention to you, that NO, it is not possible for a human to completely remove himself from any preconceptions and biases concerning what he sees, thinks, reads, and experiences. Your exercise does, however, from the sound of it, open you up to the work of demonic entities. But I know, desperately clinging to God, with an intensity beyond my ability, sometimes has taken me when in danger. This is why I said, that God does not answer to form. Do NOT cling to the entity you believe to be Christ. Instead, cling to Christ. Who you are depends on more than just what you see and what you learn, precious though it be to you, but upon what you do.

I pray that you will take to heart what you have read from all of us, and particularly the warning from @ChristB4us in post #10. Read it carefully, or better yet, read the scriptures it references, without preconceptions if you can. This may be near impossible for you to do already. But God gives grace. Test the spirits.

 

[ChristB4us]

This should be addressed to @Agra Man. I'm not the one being fooled.

So far, the Agra Man is not responding yet or have I missed it?

You know the saying about having two or three witnesses to confirm the word? It would help Agar Man if more believers agree with said discernment by the scripture, that may convict & help him go to the Lord in prayer for help against this powerful phenomenon.

2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

And we should pray for him too.

 

[makesends]

So far, the Agra Man is not responding yet or have I missed it?

You know the saying about having two or three witnesses to confirm the word? It would help Agar Man if more believers agree with said discernment by the scripture, that may convict & help him go to the Lord in prayer for help against this powerful phenomenon.

2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

And we should pray for him too.

We should ourselves bear in mind, though, that the wording of the severe warning, in—

Matthew 12:31
“Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.

Mark 3:28-30
“Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

Luke 12:10
"And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him."

—is not in the context of giving false spirits credence, but about claiming that the Spirit of God is an evil spirit.

 

[ChristB4us]

We should ourselves bear in mind, though, that the wording of the severe warning, in—

Matthew 12:31
“Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.

Mark 3:28-30
“Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

Luke 12:10
"And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him."

—is not in the context of giving false spirits credence, but about claiming that the Spirit of God is an evil spirit.

And the reverse is also true; calling the spirits of the antichrist as being the Holy Spirit. Like calling good evil and then calling evil good.

Which means nobody what? Nobody can test the spirits?

Some say that the unforgivable sin cannot be committed any more when we are saved. I believe that is true for this reason by scripture.

The action that the unbelieving Pharisees were doing was to scare potential believers away from Jesus by claiming He was casting devils out by Beelzebub.

Matthew 12: 30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. 33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

So what is the sin the Holy Ghost will convict of?

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Many believers apply that to mean that is how sinners are convicted by the Holy Ghost into becoming believers but not so. The sin of not believing in Jesus Christ is the unforgivable sin as those sinners do not have the Holy Ghost in them for how & why they are to be convicted since they were already condemned.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 John 4:1-6 At any rate, I do not believe saved believers need to be concern about that since the apostle John warned us not to believe ever spirit but to test the spirits and also the kind of tongues they bring since in the world, there is a supernatural pagan tongue that is just gibberish nonsense as the real God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people. 1 Corinthians 14:20-22 Paul stresses this as many wayward believers out there uses tongues for private use as a sign or proof that they had received the baptism with the Holy Ghost, but Jesus said;

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

That apostate calling started at Azusa Street Revival with the emphasis on the baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues and that is why that tongue is not the real God's gift of tongues but gibberish nonsense. So the Azusa Street event was not a revival but an apostasy.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[David1701]

No close encounters with him have happened enough for me to know the difference what this was is different I know we go through phases with him where we grow closer however this was a sudden jump from one level with him to a brand new one it was not normal

Close encounters don't all have to be the same. Trying to categorise what God does is fraught with dangers; it's best just to thank and praise him for it, rather than putting it in a box with a particular label.

 

[David1701]

And this born again of the Spirit is done by believing in Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith..... 6 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

No! Being born again is being given a new heart/spirit.

Ez. 36:26,27 (WEB)
26 I will also give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
27 I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my ordinances, and do them.

As we can see, the Holy Spirit is put within us immediately AFTER being given a new heart/spirit.

It's also vitally important to realise that man will not believe in Jesus Christ until he's miraculously born again. This is why Jesus told Nicodemus that you (plural) MUST be born again, in order to see/enter the Kingdom of God. We know that we enter God's kingdom through faith in Jesus Christ; so, being born again MUST happen first.

John 3:3-8 (WEB)
3 Jesus answered him, “Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can’t see the Kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can’t enter into the Kingdom of God!
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Don’t marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’
8 The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don’t know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

This is confirmed, again by John, in 1 John 5:1.

1 John 5:1 (WEB) Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God. Whoever loves the Father also loves the child who is born of him.

Whoever believes (present tense) in Jesus, has been (Greek perfect tense, meaning something that happened in the past, with the result continuing in the present) born of God. In other words, we're born of God, then we believe in Jesus Christ.

 

[ChristB4us]

Close encounters don't all have to be the same. Trying to categorise what God does is fraught with dangers; it's best just to thank and praise him for it, rather than putting it in a box with a particular label.

@Agra Man & @preacher4truth

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

That is the box; our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit. Therefore be warned....

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Blur the line of discernment and say the Spirit of Christ is in the worship place or is visiting you when the real indwelling holy Spirit has been in you since salvation, & you will never be able to test the spirits as you will believe every spirit that comes over you as being the Holy Spirit when it is not.

 

[ChristB4us]

No! Being born again is being given a new heart/spirit.

Ez. 36:26,27 (WEB)
26 I will also give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
27 I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my ordinances, and do them.

As we can see, the Holy Spirit is put within us immediately AFTER being given a new heart/spirit.

It's also vitally important to realise that man will not believe in Jesus Christ until he's miraculously born again. This is why Jesus told Nicodemus that you (plural) MUST be born again, in order to see/enter the Kingdom of God. We know that we enter God's kingdom through faith in Jesus Christ; so, being born again MUST happen first.

John 3:3-8 (WEB)
3 Jesus answered him, “Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can’t see the Kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can’t enter into the Kingdom of God!
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Don’t marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’
8 The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don’t know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

This is confirmed, again by John, in 1 John 5:1.

1 John 5:1 (WEB) Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God. Whoever loves the Father also loves the child who is born of him.

Whoever believes (present tense) in Jesus, has been (Greek perfect tense, meaning something that happened in the past, with the result continuing in the present) born of God. In other words, we're born of God, then we believe in Jesus Christ.

The scripture I had provided that you had quoted does not deny that since we are children of God by faith in Jesus Christ thus testifying that we are a new creature filled with the Holy Ghost at our salvation moment of that born again of the Spirit by believing in Him.

 

[makesends]

And the reverse is also true; calling the spirits of the antichrist as being the Holy Spirit. Like calling good evil and then calling evil good.

Which means nobody what? Nobody can test the spirits?

Some say that the unforgivable sin cannot be committed any more when we are saved. I believe that is true for this reason by scripture.

The action that the unbelieving Pharisees were doing was to scare potential believers away from Jesus by claiming He was casting devils out by Beelzebub.

Matthew 12: 30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. 33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

So what is the sin the Holy Ghost will convict of?

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Many believers apply that to mean that is how sinners are convicted by the Holy Ghost into becoming believers but not so. The sin of not believing in Jesus Christ is the unforgivable sin as those sinners do not have the Holy Ghost in them for how & why they are to be convicted since they were already condemned.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 John 4:1-6 At any rate, I do not believe saved believers need to be concern about that since the apostle John warned us not to believe ever spirit but to test the spirits and also the kind of tongues they bring since in the world, there is a supernatural pagan tongue that is just gibberish nonsense as the real God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people. 1 Corinthians 14:20-22 Paul stresses this as many wayward believers out there uses tongues for private use as a sign or proof that they had received the baptism with the Holy Ghost, but Jesus said;

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

That apostate calling started at Azusa Street Revival with the emphasis on the baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues and that is why that tongue is not the real God's gift of tongues but gibberish nonsense. So the Azusa Street event was not a revival but an apostasy.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Your response seems to me a bit more defensive than necessary. Obviously I do not think we should not test the spirits. All I was saying is, "Be careful." I do see more reason than not, to agree with you concerning the notion that his experience is counterfeit. But neither you nor I tested the spirit he claims to have encountered.

Come to think of it, I don't even see you confronting @Agra Man with the question of what HE believes concerning Christ.

 

[David1701]

@Agra Man & @preacher4truth

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

That is the box; our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit. Therefore be warned....

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Blur the line of discernment and say the Spirit of Christ is in the worship place or is visiting you when the real indwelling holy Spirit has been in you since salvation, & you will never be able to test the spirits as you will believe every spirit that comes over you as being the Holy Spirit when it is not.

Are you claiming that, when God's people worship him together, the presence of the Spirit of Christ is absent?

Are you claiming that the Holy Spirit is only in a Christian and cannot also visit you, so that you can perceive his external presence (He is omnipresent you know)?

 

[Arial]

I actually have a question about something that happened to me near the beginning of this year. Is it possible to be reborn a second time? some call it an anointing but the anointing God showed me is not here yet but this wasan event that tchanged me I have always been very close with God even from the start he and I were always very intimate and personal but when this changed happened to me it is like sudden;ly basically everything he has been teaching me and everything he instilled in me was enhanced.

The answer to your question about being reborn again is no. Why would one need to be reborn again? It suggests a misunderstanding of what being reborn means and what it does.

We are all born in Adam, with a nature that will sin against a holy God. We absolutely cannot change this about ourselves through any means, nor can we provide forgiveness for ourselves. Nor do we have the moral ability because we do not have the moral desire, to come to God through Christ. We need to be reborn, born from above, born of God, to even desire Christ of trust in His person and work to redeem us from our sins. This is a work done in us by the Holy Spirit as seen in John 3. We are reborn in Christ.

That being said---for anyone to pronounce your experience as valid or as one has done the spirit of antichrist, we do not have enough information to do so. The necessary information that is lacking I have highlighted in red in your post.

We don't know what you say that anointing was.
We don't know in what way you consider intimate and personal---what that "looked" like in your life.
We don't know what you say He was teaching you and instilled in you.

Also we do not know what it is that you believe about Jesus and salvation.

Therefore we have no way to examine any of it through scripture to know if it is sound or not. Everything must be weighed and measured against the word of God to discern whether or not it is of God. Which is what you should be doing for yourself also.

I will say this----beware of euphoria and coming to rely on that feeling, search out that feeling, come to trust in that feeling as verification of anything. Such a feeling cannot be sustained and when one was counting on it as being God, instead of God being God, there will inevitably be a crash. Euphoria is having the same chemical reactions in the brain as a narcotic.

I no longer have to seek him out to be close to him he resides with me not just inside me I mean he literally moved into my room with me he comes and goes but visits quite often

What do you mean by literally? Do you actually mean literally as in His visible form moving into your room? Because that is not biblical. What do you mean He comes and goes? God is omnipresent. What do you mean He visits? Not biblical.

The deeper hidden truths are being taught to me like he wants me to go into the great unknown with him into the barrier that many are stuck at he keeps telling me about all the things I read in the bible but you don't see it these days we live ina generation of unbelief and that goes for us as Christians as well.

What are these deeper hidden truths? What are the specifics of the rest of that sentence? Without those it is merely someone who thinks he has been given what others have not and is on a higher plane the the masses. In "this generation of unbelief in Christians" what IS it they do not believe? (BYW there are no such thing as an unbelieving Christian.)

But seeing the world today the dryness of the holy spirit the lack of evidence that we believe what we read we say we do but we clearly lack the power to prove it, you see and hear of miracles but most people for whatever reasopn don't seem to get this a lot.

What exactly are your referring to? Specifics, specifics, specifics. With biblical support.
What is this power you refer to? What is this proof that you think we should have? Why do you think it is miracles that we are to have and look for?

Experiences in and of themselves are never to be used to arrive at doctrines that are outside of the Bible. Many have ridden on the wings of the euphoria of an experience only to end up having to rewrite the Bible to arrive at some new religion with new doctrines, thinking their experience validates all they say and teach.

 

[makesends]

The answer to your question about being reborn again is no. Why would one need to be reborn again? It suggests a misunderstanding of what being reborn means and what it does.

We are all born in Adam, with a nature that will sin against a holy God. We absolutely cannot change this about ourselves through any means, nor can we provide forgiveness for ourselves. Nor do we have the moral ability because we do not have the moral desire, to come to God through Christ. We need to be reborn, born from above, born of God, to even desire Christ of trust in His person and work to redeem us from our sins. This is a work done in us by the Holy Spirit as seen in John 3. We are reborn in Christ.

That being said---for anyone to pronounce your experience as valid or as one has done the spirit of antichrist, we do not have enough information to do so. The necessary information that is lacking I have highlighted in red in your post.

We don't know what you say that anointing was.
We don't know in what way you consider intimate and personal---what that "looked" like in your life.
We don't know what you say He was teaching you and instilled in you.

Also we do not know what it is that you believe about Jesus and salvation.

Therefore we have no way to examine any of it through scripture to know if it is sound or not. Everything must be weighed and measured against the word of God to discern whether or not it is of God. Which is what you should be doing for yourself also.

I will say this----beware of euphoria and coming to rely on that feeling, search out that feeling, come to trust in that feeling as verification of anything. Such a feeling cannot be sustained and when one was counting on it as being God, instead of God being God, there will inevitably be a crash. Euphoria is having the same chemical reactions in the brain as a narcotic.

What do you mean by literally? Do you actually mean literally as in His visible form moving into your room? Because that is not biblical. What do you mean He comes and goes? God is omnipresent. What do you mean He visits? Not biblical.

What are these deeper hidden truths? What are the specifics of the rest of that sentence? Without those it is merely someone who thinks he has been given what others have not and is on a higher plane the the masses. In "this generation of unbelief in Christians" what IS it they do not believe? (BYW there are no such thing as an unbelieving Christian.)

What exactly are your referring to? Specifics, specifics, specifics. With biblical support.
What is this power you refer to? What is this proof that you think we should have? Why do you think it is miracles that we are to have and look for?

Experiences in and of themselves are never to be used to arrive at doctrines that are outside of the Bible. Many have ridden on the wings of the euphoria of an experience only to end up having to rewrite the Bible to arrive at some new religion with new doctrines, thinking their experience validates all they say and teach.

AMEN, SISTER! Well posted.

 

[Arial]

No close encounters with him have happened enough for me to know the difference what this was is different I know we go through phases with him where we grow closer however this was a sudden jump from one level with him to a brand new one it was not normal

We do not jump from one level or another for two reasons.

There are no levels of Christians, which is what you make it sound like, thus giving root to the seed of pride and superiority. There are stages of maturity.

Second, maturity is gained through knowledge and understanding of God's words, and putting it into practice more and more. We cannot jump from knowing little to knowing so much more than everyone else, by osmosis, even if one chooses to call it God, but through putting in the work of learning. I.e. you cannot know the first day that Jesus died to take away your sins to knowing the next day everything about the substitution, atonement, propitiation, justification, glorification etc. We have to learn those things and the learning never stops. (I will say here that this learning is through the illuminating and sanctifying of the Holy Spirit, knowing that sadly many think that means that whatever they think a scripture means it is the Holy Spirit telling them that.) And there is good reason for this progressive and learning and sanctifying, and it serves a profound good purpose.

Here is one clue: Ex 23:29-30 I will not drive them out from before you in one year, lest the land become desolate and the beasts of the field become to numerous for you. Little by little I will drive them out from before you, until you have increased, and you inherit the land.

This of course is God speaking to the Israelites concerning their possessing of the land of Canaan. The little by little was so that they would not gain the whole land until they were able to defend and care for it.

I believe however that there is a principle here that also applies to our Christian walk and our growth in maturity, rather than "leaps to different levels" without going through the natural process of learning as we go. The beasts and the desolate unproductive land in the case of the Christian would be pride and arrogance for two, and a life that does not reproduce or bear fruit for the kingdom or bring glory to God, because we are lacking in knowledge. But we could gather baskets full of things that could become beasts and desolate land. There is no such thing as being closer to God without first knowing Him from scripture better. That takes time and intent.

 

[ChristB4us]

Your response seems to me a bit more defensive than necessary. Obviously I do not think we should not test the spirits. All I was saying is, "Be careful." I do see more reason than not, to agree with you concerning the notion that his experience is counterfeit. But neither you nor I tested the spirit he claims to have encountered.

1 John 4:1-6 The apostle John says to do that.

2 Corinthians 11:1-4 Paul did the same thing & added 2 Corinthians 13:5 for the examination of our faith in that same epistle.

If you think testing the spirits is by how it feels good, do heed this warning; because there are seducing spirits.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Come to think of it, I don't even see you confronting @Agra Man with the question of what HE believes concerning Christ.

I had but @Agra Man has not responded.

 

[ChristB4us]

Are you claiming that, when God's people worship him together, the presence of the Spirit of Christ is absent?

I am saying we are led by the Holy Spirit in us to testify of the Son ( John 15:26 ) to glorify the Son ( John 16:14 ) and that also has to include worship. Philippians 2:5-11

Are you claiming that the Holy Spirit is only in a Christian and cannot also visit you, so that you can perceive his external presence (He is omnipresent you know)?

The apostle John is saying that in order for you to test the spirits.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
Blur that line of discernment, then you cannot test the spirits and you will wind up falling for every one of them.

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

 

[David1701]

I am saying we are led by the Holy Spirit in us to testify of the Son ( John 15:26 ) to glorify the Son ( John 16:14 ) and that also has to include worship. Philippians 2:5-11

The apostle John is saying that in order for you to test the spirits.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
Blur that line of discernment, then you cannot test the spirits and you will wind up falling for every one of them.

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

You have managed to answer questions I did not ask, whilst avoiding to answer the ones I did ask.

Never mind.