Baptism of the holy spirit born again and... born again again?

[Agra Man]

I actually have a question about something that happened to me near the beginning of this year. Is it possible to be reborn a second time? some call it an anointing but the anointing God showed me is not here yet but this wasan event that tchanged me I have always been very close with God even from the start he and I were always very intimate and personal but when this changed happened to me it is like sudden;ly basically everything he has been teaching me and everything he instilled in me was enhanced.

I no longer have to seek him out to be close to him he resides with me not just inside me I mean he literally moved into my room with me he comes and goes but visits quite often this was never the case before I mean he would interact with me every now and then in supernatural ways or just blessing me with his presence snd yet even then it didn't compare to the presence he brings now.

The deeper hidden truths are being taught to me like he wants me to go into the great unknown with him into the barrier that many are stuck at he keeps telling me about all the things I read in the bible but you don't see it these days we live ina generation of unbelief and that goes for us as Christians as well.

Even we who are called followers of Christ often times don't follow him and when we do it tends to be good but still lacking something.

I ponder about the words Jesus said that with faith anything is possible with God. Think of that anything, he used a word that means limitless unbound freely asked freely given kind of word.

But seeing the world today the dryness of the holy spirit the lack of evidence that we believe what we read we say we do but we clearly lack the power to prove it, you see and hear of miracles but most people for whatever reasopn don't seem to get this a lot.

When this change happened to me this is when I started to see the holes in our system.

Divide and confuse cause strife and have the enemy kill itself off this is a very good war stratigy and is the enemies favorite. Now look at all these denomination look at all the doctrines within those deniominations now look at all the different views and interpretations of them and see how the church gets into it with each other about this stuff and more importantly look at the word of God.

We have so many different intepretations three people can see the same verse and think it says something else each person believeing it to be from the holy spirit and the truth.

We make it seem to contradict itself we use it for our own petty purposes to attack or just argue with each other each person able to pick a verse to counter the one presented to them.

We call the bible the word of God, if God gave you a word how would you treat it? would you treat with respect and use it only when you know it should be used or would you throw around verse after verse treating it like just words on paper like any other book.

Sorry I got a bit off topic there

 

[Deleted member 6]

Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”[John 3:3]

Jesus did not tell Nicodemus he must be born again, and again, and again. Just like we can only be physically born once, we also cannot be born again two or more times.

Notice what Jesus tells Nicodemus after he said this “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." Jesus reiterates what He told him to begin with, "You must be born again." There are no multiple births in/of the Spirit. One is sufficient.

 

[Agra Man]

Well maybe born again is not the right word but I was born again in 2012 in fact I actually got out of bed and danced in my room and I am someone who needs a lot of coffee to get moving.

But even so what would you call it? if it isn't born again and I know it isn't an anointing or at least not in the normal sense but it was basically like being upgraded I mean he actually rooms with me he he is even sometimes just popping up in my room.

That actually was how I learned the fear of the Lord firsthand I sleep with my head covered out of habit and under my blankets I felt his presence suddenl;y appear even though I couldn't from under the blankets I knew exactly where he was standing and the intesnity of his presence was something else.

I didn't speak I didn't even dare move in that instance trust me your not going to move if you were standing up you would fall to you knees, but as powerful as it was all I could do was revere him as king and Lord when you do this normally that is one thing but before him it is a whole other ball game.

 

[Deleted member 6]

But even so what would you call it?

Dunno

 

[Fred]

Well maybe born again is not the right word

A closer encounter with God.

 

[Carbon]

Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”[John 3:3]

Jesus did not tell Nicodemus he must be born again, and again, and again. Just like we can only be physically born once, we also cannot be born again two or more times.

Notice what Jesus tells Nicodemus after he said this “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." Jesus reiterates what He told him to begin with, "You must be born again." There are no multiple births in/of the Spirit. One is sufficient.

Amen bro,

 

[Agra Man]

A closer encounter with God.

No close encounters with him have happened enough for me to know the difference what this was is different I know we go through phases with him where we grow closer however this was a sudden jump from one level with him to a brand new one it was not normal

 

[makesends]

The Wesleyans have what they call, "The Second Work of Grace", which I don't subscribe to, but God can do whatever he wants to do. One guy I know told me since he had that second experience, he has never sinned since. I told him I'd like to talk maybe 5 minutes with his wife, on that subject and he laughed. He said he only means he has not been able to consciously rebel against God.

 

[Agra Man]

The Wesleyans have what they call, "The Second Work of Grace", which I don't subscribe to, but God can do whatever he wants to do. One guy I know told me since he had that second experience, he has never sinned since. I told him I'd like to talk maybe 5 minutes with his wife, on that subject and he laughed. He said he only means he has not been able to consciously rebel against God.

Interesting. I am not sure about him not consciously rebelling against God I have never heard that before so maybe it is something God did as he does work and give with us differently.

For me it is not that rather it is like suddenly you understand what it means to be in the world but not of it. It is like you enter a different dimension with him you suddenly can see you click with him all of a suddenly you can know the frequency to truly hear him you are so much more alive you often times are so filled with his joy you are unable to sit still and you just can't stop praising him.

It is like you reside in the kingdom you are in the world but you don't live in the same dimension if that makes sense.

 

[ChristB4us]

I actually have a question about something that happened to me near the beginning of this year. Is it possible to be reborn a second time? some call it an anointing but the anointing God showed me is not here yet but this wasan event that tchanged me I have always been very close with God even from the start he and I were always very intimate and personal but when this changed happened to me it is like sudden;ly basically everything he has been teaching me and everything he instilled in me was enhanced.

I no longer have to seek him out to be close to him he resides with me not just inside me I mean he literally moved into my room with me he comes and goes but visits quite often this was never the case before I mean he would interact with me every now and then in supernatural ways or just blessing me with his presence snd yet even then it didn't compare to the presence he brings now.

The deeper hidden truths are being taught to me like he wants me to go into the great unknown with him into the barrier that many are stuck at he keeps telling me about all the things I read in the bible but you don't see it these days we live ina generation of unbelief and that goes for us as Christians as well.

Even we who are called followers of Christ often times don't follow him and when we do it tends to be good but still lacking something.

I ponder about the words Jesus said that with faith anything is possible with God. Think of that anything, he used a word that means limitless unbound freely asked freely given kind of word.

But seeing the world today the dryness of the holy spirit the lack of evidence that we believe what we read we say we do but we clearly lack the power to prove it, you see and hear of miracles but most people for whatever reasopn don't seem to get this a lot.

When this change happened to me this is when I started to see the holes in our system.

Divide and confuse cause strife and have the enemy kill itself off this is a very good war stratigy and is the enemies favorite. Now look at all these denomination look at all the doctrines within those deniominations now look at all the different views and interpretations of them and see how the church gets into it with each other about this stuff and more importantly look at the word of God.

We have so many different intepretations three people can see the same verse and think it says something else each person believeing it to be from the holy spirit and the truth.

We make it seem to contradict itself we use it for our own petty purposes to attack or just argue with each other each person able to pick a verse to counter the one presented to them.

We call the bible the word of God, if God gave you a word how would you treat it? would you treat with respect and use it only when you know it should be used or would you throw around verse after verse treating it like just words on paper like any other book.

Sorry I got a bit off topic there

@Fred & @Carbon & @makesends & @SovereignGrace

I can only hope in the Lord Jesus Christ that He will help you discern with Him that phenomenon you are experiencing is not of Him at all, but the spirit of the antichrist which is said to come to a place to fool even the elect.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Thus the necessity to heed the warning from the apostle John to not believe every spirit but test them.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Verse 2 above is the same thing as Paul saying in 2 Corinthians 13:5 in the examination of our faith that Jesus Christ is in us. This is what is meant by "is come in the flesh" rather than past tense as if doubting Jesus Christ had ever come in the flesh as some modern bibles has changed that message to mean. Remember that this is about testing the spirits and not just the "prophets".

Verses 3 & 4 confirms this as verse 4 is drawing the line of discernment as to where Jesus Christ is being in us rather than outside of us in the world where the spirit of the antichrist is at.

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

We are even to test the supernatural tongues it brings because there has been a pagan supernatural tongue in the world that is just gibberish nonsense as found in the occult in Isaiah 8:19 and in Roman idolatry The History of Tongues: Pagan Practices Note also physical healing can take place, but this is why the real God's gift of tongues is never for private use but for God to speak unto the people in their native tongue.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Anyway, what you are experiencing is the spirit of the antichrist as everything will seem to be enhanced only because that is how you are being seduced but the scriptures says that is not Jesus Christ but the spirit of the antichrist.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13;5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

One hope of our calling means only one baptism with the Holy Ghost.

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

For all of us to say the same thing, only one drink of the One Spirit that we had been all baptized by at the calling of the gosple when we had first believed in Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

No more filling of the Holy Spirit after salvation because Jesus said that we would never hunger nor thirst to be filled after coming to & believing in Him.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

We are not leaky vessels as we are always Spirit-filled as a testimony that God has saved us.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

No saved believer is lacking anything for why we are to walk in Christ Jesus in His words so as to not chase after spirits for a sign at all.

Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

I hope the Lord will deliver you from that spirit of the antichrist & any further visitations by it as it seeks to come in between you & Jesus Christ. That is what antichrist does as in "instead of Christ" rather than "against Christ". That spirit of the antichrist in the world by its visitations, seeks to take the place of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

 

[ChristB4us]

Here is what happens when saved believer believe the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again. This is only some of the results that can happen.

 

[ChristB4us]

Here is a research done by a fellow believer on what he finds in ancient culture before Pentecost came with the real God's gift of tongues.

This does not talk about pagan supernatural tongue but it does talk about euphoric feelings manifested in these supernatural events where "healings" can take place.

 

[ChristB4us]

The Azusa Street Revival was actually an apostate calling when they placed their emphasis on the baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues, thus seeking to receive Jesus Christ by a sign which Jesus warned is by doing that is committing spiritual adultery.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

I know that when it comes to miracles and supposed claims of casting out devils being done in such movements of the "spirit" but this is what they get for seeking to receive the baptism with the Holy Ghost by a sign as proof of salvation or to get a healing or whatever.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

By providing another way to come to God the Father by seeking to receive that "baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues is the work of iniquity that those in verses 21-23 below were committing.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

That means ecumenical as gathering grapes of thorns & figs of thistles by its calling as the Azua Street Revival rudiment is why there is such a thing as a Charismatic Catholic Church in that no one speaking in tongues ever got corrected to depart from the works of Catholicism.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Tongue speakers for private use will condemn "holy laughter' movement as not of God but that phenomenon was present in the Azusa Street Revival for why by His words above, they have to condemn that tongue for private use as it came form that same tree aka that same rudiment.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So healings and casting out of devils in His name does not excuse them for climbing up another way around the Son by seeking to receive Him by a sign rather than by faith in Jesus Christ. This is why below, they are losing self control in such movements of the "spirit" in falling down.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Not every one falls down in such movements but there are reports to discern and judge such a movement and other calling as an apostasy.

 

[Carbon]

Here is what happens when saved believer believe the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again. This is only some of the results that can happen.

Looks like demon posesseion

 

[ChristB4us]

Looks like demon posesseion

I agree.

When believers think they can receive another Jesus or the Holy Spirit "again", then they are making like a medium in opening themselves up to receive other spirits thus denying Him as in us for why God would permit that strong delusion to occur and also for why they are disorderly.

 

[Fred]

The baptism with the Holy Spirit happens one time (and only one time) when a person enters into the NT church (the body of Christ).

 

[ChristB4us]

The baptism with the Holy Spirit happens one time (and only one time) when a person enters into the NT church (the body of Christ).

And this born again of the Spirit is done by believing in Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith..... 6 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[Carbon]

I agree.

When believers think they can receive another Jesus or the Holy Spirit "again", then they are making like a medium in opening themselves up to receive other spirits thus denying Him as in us for why God would permit that strong delusion to occur and also for why they are disorderly.

Indeed. Which I believe (in most cases) starts with a false teacher and ignorance of the word.

 

[Carbon]

The baptism with the Holy Spirit happens one time (and only one time) when a person enters into the NT church (the body of Christ).

Amen brother!

 

[ChristB4us]

Indeed. Which I believe (in most cases) starts with a false teacher and ignorance of the word.

Well, sometimes a phenomenon can occur without seeking it for why the apostle John says not to believe every spirit but test them.

In the case of the OP, obviously he and many others did not know what to make of that phenomenon for why scripture needs to be delved into asking the Lord Jesus Christ to help us test the spirits by His words as applied.