Baptism of the holy spirit born again and... born again again?

[Ritajanice]

Look at this @Agra Man ..

◄ John 7:38 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” New Living Translation Anyone who believes in me may come and drink! For the Scriptures declare, ‘Rivers of living water will flow from his heart.’” English Standard Version Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’” Berean Standard Bible Whoever believes in Me, as the Scripture has said: ‘Streams of living water will flow from within him.’ ” Berean Literal Bible The one believing in Me, as the Scripture has said: 'Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.'" King James Bible He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. New King James Version He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”

 

[Agra Man]

May I answer this question here..lol...if we aren’t birthed in the Spirit....then, we don’t belong to God, we are still in darkness and sin, alienated from God....therefore we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God....I’m not sure about the water baptism...I just know it doesn’t save us from eternal damnation.

I’m open for correction...and civilised ,respectful discussion, as I know you are also.

Living water speaks to me as well...as in the Living water of Jesus..which runs through my veins?

You are spot on. The first and most important baptism is the baptism of the holy spirit. I know many say we receive it when we are saved but it does bring the question the testimonies you hear of it.

Like some have testimoies of fire and wind others say they felt the change others have even more insane testimonies some true some made up as with pretty much every sector of testimonies.

However why do some recieve this and experience him powerfully and supernaturally when others who claim to have it don't? God is spirit right?

Water baptism does not save you no but there is a very good reason for it other than it being symbolic something we missed, at least that is what I feel he says to me right now.

 

[Ritajanice]

However why do some recieve this and experience him powerfully and supernaturally when others who claim to have it don't? God is spirit right?

I can’t answer that Brother...when I’ve shared my testimony, as in It was mind blowing, some can’t relate to it....same for me, I can’t relate to those who said their experience wasn’t mind blowing.

I asked a Sister why this was and she just said it affects us all differently..I still didn’t understand what she meant by that...

Even to this day, I can’t believe that God chose to birth me in the Spirit...as his LIVING word says..it still blows my mind...it was the power of God’s word I believe..when he spoke / testified to my Spirit that I was his child...he spoke to my spirit...mind blowing!!

 

[David1701]

This scripture has several layers that I would love to discuss further with people later but I first want to ask you about your take on why it is so important we are baptized in both water and spirit?

I don't bother much with the debates on water baptism it clearly says you have to be born of both water and spirit.

But just a thought do you think the water he spoke of being born again in wasn't talking about normal water but living water?

Whenever Jesus spoke of water I see him speak mainly of living water.

Being born of water is a Hebraism for natural birth; it's not about water baptism.

I don't have time just now, but I'll go through the relevant portion of John 3 later on, if you like.

 

[David1701]

This scripture has several layers that I would love to discuss further with people later but I first want to ask you about your take on why it is so important we are baptized in both water and spirit?

I don't bother much with the debates on water baptism it clearly says you have to be born of both water and spirit.

But just a thought do you think the water he spoke of being born again in wasn't talking about normal water but living water?

Whenever Jesus spoke of water I see him speak mainly of living water.

John 3:1,2 (WEB)
1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 The same came to him by night, and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him.”

Nicodemus came to Jesus by night (i.e. in the time of natural darkness, alluding to the condition of Nicodemus' spirit), speaking to Jesus about signs (things that require light to see). This is the beginning of a series of contrasts between the natural condition of Nicodemus (and all unsaved people) and the Kingdom of God.

John 3:3 Jesus answered him, “Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can’t see the Kingdom of God.”

Jesus now tells him that a person needs to be born again, in order to "see" the Kingdom of God. Nicodemus had spoken of what can be seen naturally (outward signs) and Jesus contrasts this with what is much more important, but can only be seen spiritually (the Kingdom of God). He also points out that "seeing" the Kingdom of God requires new life within the person first (c.f. 1 Cor. 2:14).

John 3:4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?”

Nicodemus is not born again, so his thinking is natural, not spiritual. He misunderstands Jesus and thinks that being born again refers to being born naturally, a second time.

John 3:5
5 Jesus answered, “Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can’t enter into the Kingdom of God!

Now Jesus explains to Nicodemus that one must be born naturally ("born of water" - a Hebraism that Nicodemus would have understood) and born again spiritually ("born of ... spirit"), in order to enter the Kingdom of God.

John 3:6-8
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Don’t marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’
8 The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don’t know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

This contrast is repeated in verse 6, in different words, to make the point crystal clear (this is a common way of emphasising something, in the OT; it's called "parallelism"): what is born of flesh is flesh (natural birth); what is born of the Spirit is spirit (being born again, by the Spirit of God).

In verse 8, Jesus teaches that the event of being born again is unpredictable (by man). It's a Spirit-wrought miracle that comes upon you and changes you inside, from darkness to light; and from death to life.

 

[Ritajanice]

In verse 8, Jesus teaches that the event of being born again is unpredictable (by man). It's a Spirit-wrought miracle that comes upon you and changes you inside, from darkness to light; and from death to life.

Love this,@David1701 ....Amen!!....Praise His Holy Name!!..

 

[Agra Man]

Look at this @Agra Man ..

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◄ John 7:38 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” New Living Translation Anyone who believes in me may come and drink! For the Scriptures declare, ‘Rivers of living water will flow from his heart.’” English Standard Version Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’” Berean Standard Bible Whoever believes in Me, as the Scripture has said: ‘Streams of living water will flow from within him.’ ” Berean Literal Bible The one believing in Me, as the Scripture has said: 'Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.'" King James Bible He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. New King James Version He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”

There is a lot to speak on the living waterm Think of the coolest most crisp clean water you can think of that is such a poor imitation it is laughable.

One sip just one small sip it it s the best thing your taste buds will ever experience they will dance in delight and as it goes down it fills you up entirley

One sip turns into a fountain you body is whole clean pure naked even not literally of course but yeah it cleans you inside and out your body glows a kind of golden aura from the amount of life in your body.

The human skin is designed for such water.
I have seen me in what I call my secret garden a place I decribed in my poems of heavenly essence not heaven itself more like a heavenly haven.

I played with the holy spirit in a lake of living water and I have also in a dream been taken into a portal on crimsion wings of fire with others and we left this realm right into the river of liver water and this my friend is where I have to stop because the things that came next are meant only for a specific group


I will say however everything I have been saying they are hints clues of what was there but the generation it was for will re cognize in their spirit something will spark and when they feel him calling they will begin their journey of fulfilling prophecy.


I have said on here many things that I fear seem boastful but no that was never my intention I testify to what I have seen I have taste and I have seen.

 

[Agra Man]

John 3:1,2 (WEB)
1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 The same came to him by night, and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him.”

Nicodemus came to Jesus by night (i.e. in the time of natural darkness, alluding to the condition of Nicodemus' spirit), speaking to Jesus about signs (things that require light to see). This is the beginning of a series of contrasts between the natural condition of Nicodemus (and all unsaved people) and the Kingdom of God.

John 3:3 Jesus answered him, “Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can’t see the Kingdom of God.”

Jesus now tells him that a person needs to be born again, in order to "see" the Kingdom of God. Nicodemus had spoken of what can be seen naturally (outward signs) and Jesus contrasts this with what is much more important, but can only be seen spiritually (the Kingdom of God). He also points out that "seeing" the Kingdom of God requires new life within the person first (c.f. 1 Cor. 2:14).

John 3:4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?”

Nicodemus is not born again, so his thinking is natural, not spiritual. He misunderstands Jesus and thinks that being born again refers to being born naturally, a second time.

John 3:5
5 Jesus answered, “Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can’t enter into the Kingdom of God!

Now Jesus explains to Nicodemus that one must be born naturally ("born of water" - a Hebraism that Nicodemus would have understood) and born again spiritually ("born of ... spirit"), in order to enter the Kingdom of God.

John 3:6-8
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Don’t marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’
8 The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don’t know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

This contrast is repeated in verse 6, in different words, to make the point crystal clear (this is a common way of emphasising something, in the OT; it's called "parallelism"): what is born of flesh is flesh (natural birth); what is born of the Spirit is spirit (being born again, by the Spirit of God).

In verse 8, Jesus teaches that the event of being born again is unpredictable (by man). It's a Spirit-wrought miracle that comes upon you and changes you inside, from darkness to light; and from death to life.

Thank you this is enlightening

 

[David1701]

Thank you this is enlightening

You're welcome.

 

[Agra Man]

John 3:1,2 (WEB)
1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 The same came to him by night, and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him.”

Nicodemus came to Jesus by night (i.e. in the time of natural darkness, alluding to the condition of Nicodemus' spirit), speaking to Jesus about signs (things that require light to see). This is the beginning of a series of contrasts between the natural condition of Nicodemus (and all unsaved people) and the Kingdom of God.

John 3:3 Jesus answered him, “Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can’t see the Kingdom of God.”

Jesus now tells him that a person needs to be born again, in order to "see" the Kingdom of God. Nicodemus had spoken of what can be seen naturally (outward signs) and Jesus contrasts this with what is much more important, but can only be seen spiritually (the Kingdom of God). He also points out that "seeing" the Kingdom of God requires new life within the person first (c.f. 1 Cor. 2:14).

John 3:4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?”

Nicodemus is not born again, so his thinking is natural, not spiritual. He misunderstands Jesus and thinks that being born again refers to being born naturally, a second time.

John 3:5
5 Jesus answered, “Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can’t enter into the Kingdom of God!

Now Jesus explains to Nicodemus that one must be born naturally ("born of water" - a Hebraism that Nicodemus would have understood) and born again spiritually ("born of ... spirit"), in order to enter the Kingdom of God.

John 3:6-8
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Don’t marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’
8 The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don’t know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

This contrast is repeated in verse 6, in different words, to make the point crystal clear (this is a common way of emphasising something, in the OT; it's called "parallelism"): what is born of flesh is flesh (natural birth); what is born of the Spirit is spirit (being born again, by the Spirit of God).

In verse 8, Jesus teaches that the event of being born again is unpredictable (by man). It's a Spirit-wrought miracle that comes upon you and changes you inside, from darkness to light; and from death to life.

I was wondering something that came to my attention when reading this. you mentioned being born again is unpredictable. Everything about being again born in the spirit being renewed all sorts of words desribing the same thing in some way.

But you would think if your born again it would stick I mean if you were born twice say born more alive and more filled with life as a baby in the spirit.

I mean your born are you able to somehow go back into the womb and somehow regress to your formar born body when you were born in the flesh?

I know this isn't explained well but do you get the idea? When we are saved we say we are born again but we still struggle with the flesh we can lose our way or fall into a rotuine and become forgetfull of him my mom is exactly this.

But if your born anew in the spirit why does the flesh have any power at all? are born again in the spirit and flesh or just the spirit?

being born of water first but born again in the spirit but is recieving the holy spirit being saved and following Christ the same thing as actually being born again in the spirit? What happened to me was out of nowhere I never saw it coming and when I made that fierce utter desperate surrender to him like I mean there is a different kind of surrender this is when I was changed and everything about being born again became reality.


Make no mistake I have been sinced since 2012 he and I have always been very intimate I learned his voice almost as if instanct he showed and taught me so many things and even though life became much more harsh on me it has been a fun journey with him even in the darkest places he was there.

But when this happened I can only describe it as being born again. Living water fire wind rvelation discernemnt bread from heaven and many more things suddenly started really becoming a part of me an odd sense of familiarity somehow even without actually hAVING THESE THINGS MY BODY CRAVED IT ALL AND STILL DOES.

Sorry for the caps that was my bad.

But just my thoughts really sometimes I have to dioaloge my thoughts so I was asking your thoughts on the matter but I also kind of just sometimes let the words flow so if I got off topic or something that is my bad

 

[David1701]

I was wondering something that came to my attention when reading this. you mentioned being born again is unpredictable. Everything about being again born in the spirit being renewed all sorts of words desribing the same thing in some way.

But you would think if your born again it would stick I mean if you were born twice say born more alive and more filled with life as a baby in the spirit.

I mean your born are you able to somehow go back into the womb and somehow regress to your formar born body when you were born in the flesh?

I know this isn't explained well but do you get the idea? When we are saved we say we are born again but we still struggle with the flesh we can lose our way or fall into a rotuine and become forgetfull of him my mom is exactly this.

But if your born anew in the spirit why does the flesh have any power at all? are born again in the spirit and flesh or just the spirit?

being born of water first but born again in the spirit but is recieving the holy spirit being saved and following Christ the same thing as actually being born again in the spirit? What happened to me was out of nowhere I never saw it coming and when I made that fierce utter desperate surrender to him like I mean there is a different kind of surrender this is when I was changed and everything about being born again became reality.


Make no mistake I have been sinced since 2012 he and I have always been very intimate I learned his voice almost as if instanct he showed and taught me so many things and even though life became much more harsh on me it has been a fun journey with him even in the darkest places he was there.

But when this happened I can only describe it as being born again. Living water fire wind rvelation discernemnt bread from heaven and many more things suddenly started really becoming a part of me an odd sense of familiarity somehow even without actually hAVING THESE THINGS MY BODY CRAVED IT ALL AND STILL DOES.

Sorry for the caps that was my bad.

But just my thoughts really sometimes I have to dioaloge my thoughts so I was asking your thoughts on the matter but I also kind of just sometimes let the words flow so if I got off topic or something that is my bad

There's a simple answer to this (although a full answer would be much more complicated):

2 Cor. 4:6,7 (WEB)
6 seeing it is God who said, “Light will shine out of darkness,” who has shone in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in clay vessels, that the exceeding greatness of the power may be of God, and not from ourselves.

 

[Agra Man]

There's a simple answer to this (although a full answer would be much more complicated):

2 Cor. 4:6,7 (WEB)
6 seeing it is God who said, “Light will shine out of darkness,” who has shone in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in clay vessels, that the exceeding greatness of the power may be of God, and not from ourselves.

Yes that vessel part there it doesn't really answer my thoughts or at least I may not have registered it but it does mean something profound to me personally.

 

[Agra Man]

There's a simple answer to this (although a full answer would be much more complicated):

2 Cor. 4:6,7 (WEB)
6 seeing it is God who said, “Light will shine out of darkness,” who has shone in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in clay vessels, that the exceeding greatness of the power may be of God, and not from ourselves.

I would gladly accept the complicated answer as well my friend I aam open for anything you have to bring.

 

[GeneZ]

I actually have a question about something that happened to me near the beginning of this year. Is it possible to be reborn a second time? some call it an anointing but the anointing God showed me is not here yet but this was an event that changed me I have always been very close with God even from the start he and I were always very intimate and personal but when this changed happened to me it is like suddenly basically everything he has been teaching me and everything he instilled in me was enhanced.

I no longer have to seek him out to be close to him he resides with me not just inside me I mean he literally moved into my room with me he comes and goes but visits quite often this was never the case before I mean he would interact with me every now and then in supernatural ways or just blessing me with his presence and yet even then it didn't compare to the presence he brings now.

The deeper hidden truths are being taught to me like he wants me to go into the great unknown with him into the barrier that many are stuck at he keeps telling me about all the things I read in the bible but you don't see it these days we live in a generation of unbelief and that goes for us as Christians as well.

Even we who are called followers of Christ often times don't follow him and when we do it tends to be good but still lacking something.

I ponder about the words Jesus said that with faith anything is possible with God. Think of that anything, he used a word that means limitless unbound freely asked freely given kind of word.

But seeing the world today the dryness of the holy spirit the lack of evidence that we believe what we read we say we do but we clearly lack the power to prove it, you see and hear of miracles but most people for whatever reason don't seem to get this a lot.

When this change happened to me this is when I started to see the holes in our system.

Divide and confuse cause strife and have the enemy kill itself off this is a very good war strategy and is the enemies favorite. Now look at all these denomination look at all the doctrines within those denominations now look at all the different views and interpretations of them and see how the church gets into it with each other about this stuff and more importantly look at the word of God.

We have so many different interpretations three people can see the same verse and think it says something else each person believing it to be from the holy spirit and the truth.

We make it seem to contradict itself we use it for our own petty purposes to attack or just argue with each other each person able to pick a verse to counter the one presented to them.

We call the bible the word of God, if God gave you a word how would you treat it? would you treat with respect and use it only when you know it should be used or would you throw around verse after verse treating it like just words on paper like any other book.

Sorry I got a bit off topic there

You were not off topic.... Its the root of the problem.

Divide and confuse cause strife and have the enemy kill itself off this is a very good war strategy and is the enemies favorite.​

Now look at all these denomination look at all the doctrines within those denominations now look at all the different views​

and interpretations of them and see how the church gets into it with each other about this stuff and more importantly look​

at the word of God."​

Satan has got a neat trick he uses because he understands the weaknesses of man so well. Men to him are like animals to be hunted down and trapped.

His easy way out is to get hard headed people to think they are opened minded. Then get them OBSESSED with their denominational pet doctrine to prove they made a right choice. But? They can not drop it and move on into the vast wide open frontier of learning the Bible in many areas God wants us to uncover after exploring in His leading by grace. Calvinists are robbing themselves. Satan does not have to work once he gets them into defending the indefensible.... which they see as "being misunderstood."

Calvin was a pioneer. He was a student of Augustine.

So much to be known... But first let's prove what can not be proved before we do let go and move forward into the frontier.

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I want you to know how hard I am contending for you and for those at Laodicea, ​

and for all who have not met me personally. My goal is that they may be encouraged ​

in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, ​

in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, in whom are hidden all ​

the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. I tell you this so that no one may deceive you ​

by fine-sounding arguments." Colossians 2:1-4​

Those fine sounding arguments are designed to get the believer to stop moving forward and advancing. To get him to hunker down till he finally proves he is right. "To socialize around, so to speak." Tricking the believer into stopping the exploring the vast frontier where God has hidden in His Word many treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

Calvinist have become like a one note piece of music that they want us to dance to before being allowed through their approval gate.
I believe God's sovereignty confuses, confounds, and frightens them. Because our small minds can not grasp it. Nor, should we be able to.

There are THOUSANDS of doctrines God wants us to know and build our confidence in the Lord upon.
Satan's trick?
Getting believers to become obsessed with one or two doctrines. Ones that locks them into spiritual retardation.

So be it .............. For it is happening to the body of Christ.

 

[donadams]

Zech 13:1 “In that day there shall be a fountain opened TO THE HOUSE OF DAVID, and to the INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM, for sin and for uncleanness."

Lk 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Psalm 1:3
And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

Rev 22:3 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

3 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. (Cross)

Ez 47:9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

Matthew 4:19
And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

Ez 47:1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.

John 2:21
But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jn 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. (Baptism)






Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 eph 4:30 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

Faith and baptism are required Mk 16:16 eph 4:5

Faith alone even all faith avails NOTHING! 1 cor 13:2


Baptism
Ez 36:25-27
Matt 28:19
Mk 16:16
Jn 3:5
Acts 2:38-9 & 8:36-38 & 23:16
Rom 6:3
Col 2:12
2 cor 12:13
Gal 3:27
2 Tim 1:10
Eph 2:1
2 cor 5:17
Eph 1:13 & 4:5 & 5:26
Titus 3:5
1 pet 1:2
1 pet 3:20-21

Faith and baptism

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)



That would read:
Jn 3:5 born of water, born again of the spirit.

But it really says:

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Both water and the spirit!

Where do you find water? River!

Jn 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

Baptismal regeneration!







Faith and baptism:

16:16 he that believes and is baptized shall be saved
Matt 28:19 faith and baptism
Acts 2:38-39 repent and be baptized (promise of ez 36:25)
Acts 8:36-38 faith and baptism
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism
1 pet 3:21 baptism saves us



Baptism is just a symbol or symbolic not the real Christian sacrament of justification and regeneration!

does a symbol wash away sins? Acts 22:16

Does a symbol make us risen with Christ? col 2:12

Does a symbol baptize us into the church? 1 cor 12:13

Do we put in Christ by a symbol? gal 3:27

Are we brought to life by a symbol? 2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 & 5

Are we symbolically a new creation? 2 cor 5:17

Does a symbol seal us by the Holy Spirit? eph 1:13

what is symbolic water and the spirit?


Water and the spirit
Gen 1:1-2
Gen 8:8
Exd 13:21
Josuha 1:1-2
Ez 36:25-27
Jn 1:31-32
Jn 3:5
Titus 3:5




The biblical mandate of God’s work of creation!

Water and the spirit!

First creation:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

(water and the spirit)

Noah:

Gen 8:8 Also he sent forth a dove (representing the spirit) from him…

(Water and the spirit)

Red Sea:

Led thru the waters by the spirit.
Exodus 13:21
And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:

(Water and the spirit)

Josuha

Joshua and the people of Israel crossing of the Jordan led by the spirit.

Joshua 1:1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the Lord it came to pass, that the Lord spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses’ minister, saying, 2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.

(Water and the spirit)

Prophecy of the new creation: (new covenant)

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you…
acts 2:38-39 “this promise”

(Water and the Spirit)

Baptism of Jesus

Jn 1:31 I come baptizing with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

(Water and the spirit)

New creation by water and the spirit

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

(Water and the spirit)

Christian sacrament of baptismal regeneration is by: WATER AND THE SPIRIT!


No one is born again by:

“the spirit alone”!
Or
“Faith alone”!

Water AND the spirit is the biblical mandate!

 

[TB2]

Jesus said this for why the Holy Spirit is kept in a box as our physical bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit is not kept in a box

If you look for outward manifestation of the "Holy Spirit" you will fall for anything.

You don't seem to realize what you're saying. That's not far from "If you look for God....watch out...you'll find the devil."

What you are actually promoting is the falling away from the faith which is that prophesied apostasy that is happening in these latter days now.

You've done this before christb4us pronouncing judgment on others without being in a position to do so. Accusing believers of saying they're trying to be born again and again and receiving the indwelling of the Holy Spirit again and again when that's not what they're claiming.

There is one indwelling of the Holy Spirit. But there are also gifts of the Spirit and the Spirit-filled life.

Ephesians 5.18
"Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit"

"Be filled with the Spirit" is in the imperative as a command or directive, and "be filled" is in the present tense indicating we should be filled continually.

One receiving/indwelling of the Spirit. Be filled continually.

We're all believers but even in our own lives as believers we can grieve the Spirit and quench the Spirit, just as we can be more open and surrendering to God and God's transforming power and presence in our lives.

 

[Rockerduck]

Agra man,
The same thing happened to me. Its the anointing of knowledge that you have received. It supercharges the Holy Spirit that you already had. You are now receiving visions and dreams and the depth of the simplistic words of the bible are revealed.