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Are you Arminian, Calvinist, or other?

Are you Arminian, Calvinist, or other?

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When it comes to Romans 5, I prefer to interpret it with Covenant Theology. In Adam and in Christ, speaks of their Edenic Covenants; being in one or the other: being in a broken Edenic Covenant or a Kept Edenic Covenant...

That's all I'm saying...
I understand. . .I just haven't had any Covenant theology and have only Paul to go on here.

But it seems to track Biblically quite well without covenant theology, don't you think?

Really like your posts in Questions about the Bible.
 
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I understand. . .I just haven't had any Covenant theology and have only Paul to go on here.

But it seems to track Biblically quite well without covenant theology, don't you think?
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. - Romans 5:18

I've always wondered how the Verse could say Jesus' Righteous Act resulted for Justification and Life for All people. There's the Calvinist interpretation that it means all the Elect, but both the 'All's in the Verse should be Consistant in their Universal application. The way that makes sense, is if the two Covenants are the same Covenant; IE Adam's Universal Edenic Covenant. If Christ's Covenant is his Mosaic Covenant, that's a limited Covenant; and the comparison between Adam and Jesus shouldn't conflate the Scope of a Universal Covenant of Works and a limited Covenant of Works...
 
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. - Romans 5:18

I've always wondered how the Verse could say Jesus' Righteous Act resulted for Justification and Life for All people. There's the Calvinist interpretation that it means all the Elect, but both the 'All's should be Consistant in their Universal application. The way that makes sense is if the two Covenants are the same Covenant; IE Adam's Universal Edenic Covenant. If Christ's Covenant is his Mosaic Covenant, that's a limited Covenant; and the comparison between Adam and Jesus shouldn't conflate the Scope of a Universal Covenant of Works and a limited Covenant of Works...
Or how about if the "all" is in context of the heads where Adam is the pattern (of imputation) for Christ (Ro 5:14); i.e. all in (born of) Adam and all in (born of) Christ?
 
Or how about if the "all" is in context of the heads; i.e. all in (born of) Adam and all in (born of) Christ?
That's true of Romans 5, because there are Verses that compare those in Adam and Jesus as "Many" instead of All. But Romans 5:18 conflates the Universal application...

But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! - Romans 5:15

This Verse says that only Many die in Adam, when All died because of Adam's Edenic Covenant. So both "Many and All" are true. How do only Many die in Adam's Edenic Covenant? How are All Justified in Christ's Edenic Covenant? Because of the Curse of Original Sin, All the Population in Adam Die. Because of the Blessing of Justification and Life in Christ's Edenic Covenant, All are Blessed by Christ, as All were Cursed by Adam...
 
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That's true of Romans 5, because there are Verses that compare those in Adam and Jesus as "Many" instead of All. But Romans 5:18 conflates the Universal application...
Would "justification that brings life for all men" mean that salvation is available for all men?
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! - Romans 5:15
The contrast there being between plural (many) and singular (one) rather than a statement of exact quantities?
This Verse says that only Many die in Adam, when All die in Adam. So both "Many and All" are true. How do only Many die in Adam's Edenic Covenant? How are All Justified in Christ's Edenic Covenant? Because of the Curse of Original Sin, All the Population in Adam Die. Because of the Blessing of Justification and Life in Christ's Edenic Covenant, All are Blessed in Christ, as All were Cursed in Adam...:
That's the explanation I presented for Ro 5:18 (post #23).
 
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Would "justification that brings life for all men" mean that salvation is available for all men?
Yes; as as Death is available to All Men in Adam. The Edenic Covenant has Universal APPLICATION, whether it's Adam's or Christ's Edenic Covenant...

Christ bought even the Heretics; not to be Saved, but to be their Righteous Master. Adam was our Unrighteous Master...
 
Would "justification that brings life for all men" mean that salvation is available for all men?

The contrast there being between plural (many) and singular (one) rather than a statement of exact quantities?

That's the explanation I offered for Ro 5:18 (post #23).
Christ's Edenic Covenant covers All Humanity...

The Golgatha Purchase ~ by ReverendRV * October 27

2nd Peter 2:1 KJV
; But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

I’ve recently been debating with an Atheist who uses Slavery as a reason to NOT believe in the God of the Bible. I told him about the Voluntary Servitude the Bible endorses, but he insists on debating about God endorsing Involuntary Servitude; citing Leviticus 25. I said, “I see what you are saying; you're drawing a distinction between the acceptable Servitude of a Jew to a Jew, and the unacceptable Slavery of Gentiles to a Jew. May I suggest that these Verses are a Type for the New Testament; If Israel were not permitted to buy people, then Peter couldn’t have said Jesus bought the Heretics.” The Lord Jesus Christ couldn’t have Purchased the World, if it were not legal for Jews to purchase Gentiles; and be their Sovereign…

If it were illegal for Jews to own Slaves, the Jewish Jesus Christ wouldn't have been able to buy the World from Satan; who gained Dominion from Adam, through the Fall. It is like the Louisiana Purchase; Dominion over the Land and the People was purchased. ~ But you Object, “What’s all this Slavery guff? I’ve never been a Slave”. When you Sin, you’re a Slave to Sin and Satan; have you ever told a Lie? What do YOU call people who Lie to you? If you’ve ever found yourself compelled to tell a Lie and you couldn’t help yourself, you are a Slave to Sin and Satan; or you were. You’re still a Slave to Sin but now you are Christ’s Slave as he paid for his Kingdom with his Blood. Your Lies used to deliver you out of trouble but now that you have a new Master, they bring you under his Judgment. As God Incarnate, the Son of God owns you; but through the 'Golgatha Purchase', the Human Jesus Christ bought All of Humanity. ~ If the Bible is true, then you are the Slave of Christ; awaiting either swift destruction; or Forgiveness of Sin...

Forgiveness of Sins is found only in one Name under Heaven. ~ For God so loved the World he gave us his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not swiftly perish, but have everlasting Life. Jesus Christ bore the Sin of the world while dying on a Cross, to pay the Death Penalty God requires for our Trespasses and Sins; but he arose from the Grave to prepare a place for us in Heaven to be with him. We’re Saved by the Gracious Forgiveness of God, through Faith in Jesus Christ and what HE'S done for us; instead of anything we could ever do for ourselves. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God, and become his Voluntary Servant at a Bible loving Church. ~ Sinners are Involuntary Servants of Jesus Christ, as they choose their Sin over their Righteous Master; remaining Voluntary Slaves to Sin…

1st Corinthians 7:22-23; KJV; For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord's freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ's slave. You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings.
 
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Yes; as as Death is available to All Men in Adam. The Edenic Covenant has Universal APPLICATION, whether it's Adam's or Christ's Edenic Covenant...

Christ bought even the Heretics; not to be Saved, but to be their Righteous Master. Adam was our Unrighteous Master...
That's another new one for me.

Didn't Jesus say he came to give his life as a ransom for many (Mt 20:28), rather than to buy all?
 
That's another new one for me.

Jesus said he came to give his life as a ransom for many (Mt 20:28), not to buy all.
Read my Gospel Tract...

Christ made two Purchases; one for the Unconditional Elect, and one for the World. He made a secondary Purchase for the World, which doesn't Save anyone. He Kept two Covenants, the Edenic and Mosaic Covenants; this is how he made two different Purchases. He did it with two different Covenants...

One Purchase for All people, another different Purchase for some people...
 
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Would "justification that brings life for all men" mean that salvation is available for all men?
Depends how you look at it. God chose His elect, and the Holy Spirit gathers them. The non-elect are still obligated to believe, it's their choice but the natural man cannot choose Christ, however, God does not make them unable to choose. They don't want to.

That's how I understand it. :)
 
That's another new one for me.

Didn't Jesus say he came to give his life as a ransom for many (Mt 20:28), rather than to buy all?
He did absolutely! Amen.
 
Read my Gospel Tract...

Christ made two Purchases; one for the Unconditional Elect, and one for the World. He made a secondary Purchase for the World, which doesn't Save anyone. He Kept two Covenants, the Edenic and Mosaic Covenants; this is how he made two different Purchases. He did it with two different Covenants...

One Purchase for All people, another different Purchase for some people...
Christ's Edenic Covenant covers All Humanity...

The Golgatha Purchase ~ by ReverendRV * October 27

2nd Peter 2:1 KJV
; But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

I’ve recently been debating with an Atheist who uses Slavery as a reason to NOT believe in the God of the Bible. I told him about the Voluntary Servitude the Bible endorses, but he insists on debating about God endorsing Involuntary Servitude; citing Leviticus 25. I said, “I see what you are saying; you're drawing a distinction between the acceptable Servitude of a Jew to a Jew, and the unacceptable Slavery of Gentiles to a Jew.
May I suggest that these Verses are a Type for the New Testament; If Israel were not permitted to buy people, then Peter couldn’t have said Jesus bought the Heretics.” The Lord Jesus Christ couldn’t have Purchased the World, if it were not legal for Jews to purchase Gentiles; and be their Sovereign…
Anoher new idea to me.

I see 2 Pe 2:1 in the context of 2 Pe 2:2-23 where it seems the heretics were professing Christians, who in their heresy were denying the Lord they claimed to believe in; i.e., "the Lord who bought them."
I don't see that as a statement of Jesus purchasing heretics.
If it were illegal for Jews to own Slaves, the Jewish Jesus Christ wouldn't have been able to buy the World from Satan; who gained Dominion from Adam, through the Fall. It is like the Louisiana Purchase; Dominion over the Land and the People was purchased. ~ But you Object, “What’s all this Slavery guff? I’ve never been a Slave”. When you Sin, you’re a Slave to Sin and Satan; have you ever told a Lie? What do YOU call people who Lie to you? If you’ve ever found yourself compelled to tell a Lie and you couldn’t help yourself, you are a Slave to Sin and Satan; or you were. You’re still a Slave to Sin but now you are Christ’s Slave as he paid for his Kingdom with his Blood. Your Lies used to deliver you out of trouble but now that you have a new Master, they bring you under his Judgment. As God Incarnate, the Son of God owns you; but through the 'Golgatha Purchase', the Human Jesus Christ bought All of Humanity. ~ If the Bible is true, then you are the Slave of Christ; awaiting either swift destruction; or Forgiveness of Sin...

Forgiveness of Sins is found only in one Name under Heaven. ~ For God so loved the World he gave us his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not swiftly perish, but have everlasting Life. Jesus Christ bore the Sin of the world while dying on a Cross, to pay the Death Penalty God requires for our Trespasses and Sins; but he arose from the Grave to prepare a place for us in Heaven to be with him. We’re Saved by the Gracious Forgiveness of God, through Faith in Jesus Christ and what HE'S done for us; instead of anything we could ever do for ourselves. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God, and become his Voluntary Servant at a Bible loving Church. ~ Sinners are Involuntary Servants of Jesus Christ, as they choose their Sin over their Righteous Master; remaining Voluntary Slaves to Sin…

1st Corinthians 7:22-23; KJV; For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord's freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ's slave. You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings.
 
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Anoher new idea to me.

I see 2 Pe 2:1 in the context of 2 Pe 2:2-23 where it seems the heretics were professing Christians, who in their heresy were denying the Lord they claimed to believe in; i.e., "the Lord who bought them."
I don't see that as a statement of Jesus purchasing heretics.
Combine it with Jesus being the Propitiation for the World; especially of Believers. This is a two-fold Purchase; one for the World, and one for Believers...

We can be Calvinists, and still believe anyone can be Saved...
 
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Thanks...

When it comes to Romans 5, I prefer to interpret it with Covenant Theology. In Adam and in Christ, speaks of their Edenic Covenants; being in one or the other: being in a broken Edenic Covenant or a Kept Edenic Covenant...

That's all I'm saying...
Rev, that avatar? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! :ROFLMAO::LOL:😂😅🤣
 
Combine it with Jesus being the Propitiation for the World; especially of Believers. This is a two-fold Purchase; one for the World, and one for Believers...
Doesn't that mean that he is the Savior for all men in that he offers himself to all men, while he is the Savior in actuality for the redeemed, those who believe?
 
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