Are you Arminian, Calvinist, or other?

[Carbon]

Perhaps my Gospel Tract on Helen Keller will make both of our points...

Helen Keller ~ by ReverendRV * May 12

Isaiah 35:5 KJV; Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.

They say not to mix Religion and Politics, and that’s probably a good idea. It’s not always easy to do when you live in a Land where we have the freedom to Vote according to our Conscience. Due to our Constitutional Right separating the State from the Church, people on both sides have an interest in standing up for their views. Today it seems many more sides are standing up. ~ Helen Keller stood up for her Political views. She actively campaigned and wrote in support for the Working Class from 1909 to 1921. She exercised her Right to Vote and regularly voted for the Socialist Party Candidate for President. Though she was Liberal especially for her time, as a Theist she had Faith in God. Today Socialism is noted for its Atheism; but no matter what your Politics are, you can be a Christian. ~ Listen to Helen Keller…

Helen Keller was born in the late 19th Century. Before she was two years old she became Ill, and as a result lost her hearing and eyesight. Her parents eventually sought the aid of Anne Sullivan to help their daughter. It was very difficult but finally a young Helen realized that Anne was teaching her to read and write. Helen went on to become a voracious learner. ~ She told her friend Mr Brooks about the time she got Saved. She said even before she knew what language was, she knew about God. After she received the Gift of language, she said she already knew he was there but didn’t know his name. ~ This is a good example that shows us the difference between General Revelation and Special Revelation; and that we do know there is a God. The Bible says the invisible things of God are clearly seen by all and this leaves us without an excuse. Have you ever Stolen anything? What do you call someone who Steals? This is just one of the Ten Commandments; have you Lied? Then you’re without an excuse in the sight of God and are a Sinner. Would you go to Heaven or to Hell? Be honest, if there is a God you would go to Hell. Helen Keller was honest and said in the deepest, darkest, mute recesses of her Being she believed in God…

You do not have to go to Hell for your Sins because God is your Judge. Enter a Guilty plea and he will find you innocent, but if you enter an Innocent plea then he will find you guilty; both you and God know you’re guilty. When you plea guilty, God is able to Pardon you for your Sins. The reason he is able to do this is because someone else is punished instead of you; Justice has to be served. Jesus Christ is God’s Unique Son who became a man and lived a Sinless life of perfection. He Willingly went to the Cross to receive God’s punishment for Sin. He shed his blood as an Atonement to appease the Wrath of God, He was buried three days but rose from the dead and before he went to Heaven, he was seen alive by over 500 people. Have Faith in Jesus as your Lord and Savior and you will not be put to shame, you will be forgiven! Find a Bible believing Church who’ll help you see and hear what you need to learn from God…

Matthew 11:5 NIV; The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor.

Are you aware she knew sign language, learned to read lip and braille.

 

[ReverendRV]

Are you aware she knew sign language, learned to read lip and braille.

Yeah; I'm aware...

 

[Carbon]

Right. I cannot prove that...

So much for the L in Tulip.

Look how silly it looks now. TUIP.

 

[Eleanor]

So much for the L in Tulip.

Look how silly it looks now. TUIP.

Reason enough to keep the L.

 

[Carbon]

Reason enough to keep the L.

Yep.

 

[makesends]

Perhaps my Gospel Tract on Helen Keller will make both of our points...

Helen Keller ~ by ReverendRV * May 12

Isaiah 35:5 KJV; Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.

They say not to mix Religion and Politics, and that’s probably a good idea. It’s not always easy to do when you live in a Land where we have the freedom to Vote according to our Conscience. Due to our Constitutional Right separating the State from the Church, people on both sides have an interest in standing up for their views. Today it seems many more sides are standing up. ~ Helen Keller stood up for her Political views. She actively campaigned and wrote in support for the Working Class from 1909 to 1921. She exercised her Right to Vote and regularly voted for the Socialist Party Candidate for President. Though she was Liberal especially for her time, as a Theist she had Faith in God. Today Socialism is noted for its Atheism; but no matter what your Politics are, you can be a Christian. ~ Listen to Helen Keller…

Helen Keller was born in the late 19th Century. Before she was two years old she became Ill, and as a result lost her hearing and eyesight. Her parents eventually sought the aid of Anne Sullivan to help their daughter. It was very difficult but finally a young Helen realized that Anne was teaching her to read and write. Helen went on to become a voracious learner. ~ She told her friend Mr Brooks about the time she got Saved. She said even before she knew what language was, she knew about God. After she received the Gift of language, she said she already knew he was there but didn’t know his name. ~ This is a good example that shows us the difference between General Revelation and Special Revelation; and that we do know there is a God. The Bible says the invisible things of God are clearly seen by all and this leaves us without an excuse. Have you ever Stolen anything? What do you call someone who Steals? This is just one of the Ten Commandments; have you Lied? Then you’re without an excuse in the sight of God and are a Sinner. Would you go to Heaven or to Hell? Be honest, if there is a God you would go to Hell. Helen Keller was honest and said in the deepest, darkest, mute recesses of her Being she believed in God…

You do not have to go to Hell for your Sins because God is your Judge. Enter a Guilty plea and he will find you innocent, but if you enter an Innocent plea then he will find you guilty; both you and God know you’re guilty. When you plea guilty, God is able to Pardon you for your Sins. The reason he is able to do this is because someone else is punished instead of you; Justice has to be served. Jesus Christ is God’s Unique Son who became a man and lived a Sinless life of perfection. He Willingly went to the Cross to receive God’s punishment for Sin. He shed his blood as an Atonement to appease the Wrath of God, He was buried three days but rose from the dead and before he went to Heaven, he was seen alive by over 500 people. Have Faith in Jesus as your Lord and Savior and you will not be put to shame, you will be forgiven! Find a Bible believing Church who’ll help you see and hear what you need to learn from God…

Matthew 11:5 NIV; The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor.

How does that make your point? Or, rather, what IS your point? Succinctly.

 

[ReverendRV]

How does that make your point? Or, rather, what IS your point? Succinctly.

I'm saying that Helen Keller was Elect, though there was no earthly way she could hear the Gospel. In truth, there was an earthly way; God used the Spectacular Ways and Means of Ann Sullivan. But I theorize there are Elect people who exist; and that there is no earthly way for them to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ...

After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. - Revelation 7:9

I view this Verse as a Fundamental. It means that the Church established what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is. Tribes existed after the Special Revelation of the Gospel was received by the Church. Tribes such as the Aztecs had some Unconditionally Elect Saints too, IE Tribes that couldn't have been outwardly Called by Evangelists. Otherwise, Saint John would be Lying about seeing people from EVERY Tribe in Heaven...

Since there will be people in the great multitude from the Aztecs, Incans, Nazcans, etc; Unconditional Election must be true, for these people to be in Heaven. Sure; they had an Inward Call. Elect Infants dying in their Infancy, would receive an Inward Call and a Gospel presentation they can Spiritually understand. If Helen Keller had died at less than two years old when she got deathly sick; as a member of the Unconditional Elect, she would have received an Effectual, Inward Call from the Holy Spirit in her Infancy. She would have been Born of the Spirit enabling her to Spiritually Discern the things of God; and place Faith in Jesus Christ as her Savior...

Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit;10 who works when, and where, and how He pleases;11 so also are all elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.

10 John 3:3,5–6
11 John 3:8

Of Effectual Calling — The 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith

Chapter 10

www.the1689confession.com

 

[Deleted member 5]

I'd say the "hearing" of the Gospel has nothing really to do with eardrums or physicality.

 

[ReverendRV]

I'd say the "hearing" of the Gospel has nothing really to do with eardrums or physicality.

Right. Circumcised Ears are Spiritual ears; not pierced ears...

 

[ReverendRV]

How does that make your point? Or, rather, what IS your point? Succinctly.

And thanks for really wanting to know what I mean, instead of ridiculing me. I'm now able to speak to others who ridicule me, by speaking to them through you...

What I'm saying about Unconditional Election HAS to be true; Calvinists should like it...

 

[Eleanor]

I'm saying that Helen Keller was Elect, though there was no earthly way she could hear the Gospel. In truth, there was an earthly way; God used the Spectacular Ways and Means of Ann Sullivan. But I theorize there are Elect people who exist; and that there is no earthly way for them to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ...

After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. - Revelation 7:9

I view this Verse as a Fundamental. It means that the Church established what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is. Tribes existed after the Special Revelation of the Gospel was received by the Church. Tribes such as the Aztecs had some Unconditionally Elect Saints too, Tribes that couldn't have been outwardly Called by Evangelists...

Are you unaware of the early missionaries to the Indians.

Since there will be people in the great multitude from the Aztecs, Incans, Nazcans, etc; Unconditional Election must be true, for these people to be in Heaven. Sure; they had an Inward Call. Elect Infants dying in their Infancy, would receive an Inward Call and a Gospel presentation they can Spiritually understand. If Helen Keller had died at less than two years old when she got deathly sick; as a member of the Unconditional Elect, she would have received an Inward Call from the Holy Spirit. She would have been Born of the Spirit enabling her to Spiritually Discern the things of God; and place Faith in Jesus Christ as her Savior...

Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit;10 who works when, and where, and how He pleases;11 so also are all elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.

10 John 3:3,5–6
11 John 3:8

Of Effectual Calling — The 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith

Chapter 10

www.the1689confession.com

 

[makesends]

I'm saying that Helen Keller was Elect, though there was no earthly way she could hear the Gospel. In truth, there was an earthly way; God used the Spectacular Ways and Means of Ann Sullivan. But I theorize there are Elect people who exist; and that there is no earthly way for them to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ...

After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. - Revelation 7:9

I view this Verse as a Fundamental. It means that the Church established what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is. Tribes existed after the Special Revelation of the Gospel was received by the Church. Tribes such as the Aztecs had some Unconditionally Elect Saints too, IE Tribes that couldn't have been outwardly Called by Evangelists. Otherwise, Saint John would be Lying about seeing people from EVERY Tribe in Heaven...

Since there will be people in the great multitude from the Aztecs, Incans, Nazcans, etc; Unconditional Election must be true, for these people to be in Heaven. Sure; they had an Inward Call. Elect Infants dying in their Infancy, would receive an Inward Call and a Gospel presentation they can Spiritually understand. If Helen Keller had died at less than two years old when she got deathly sick; as a member of the Unconditional Elect, she would have received an Effectual, Inward Call from the Holy Spirit in her Infancy. She would have been Born of the Spirit enabling her to Spiritually Discern the things of God; and place Faith in Jesus Christ as her Savior...

Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit;10 who works when, and where, and how He pleases;11 so also are all elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.

10 John 3:3,5–6
11 John 3:8

Of Effectual Calling — The 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith

Chapter 10

www.the1689confession.com

I agree completely. God can do whatever he wants. There is no self-contradiction in God saving anyone he chooses. In fact, I submit there is no difference that intelligence can make, that separates the infant from the old, in the matter of salvation.

 

[ReverendRV]

I agree completely. God can do whatever he wants. There is no self-contradiction in God saving anyone he chooses. In fact, I submit there is no difference that intelligence can make, that separates the infant from the old, in the matter of salvation.

Thanks...

For the most part, I think everyone here better understands me now. Sometimes we need to disconnect and try again later. Either they understand me now; or they know I was getting frustrated. When I know what I'm saying makes perfect sense, but people deny the obvious; it's either my fault or their fault...

 

[ChristB4us]

I agree completely. God can do whatever he wants. There is no self-contradiction in God saving anyone he chooses. In fact, I submit there is no difference that intelligence can make, that separates the infant from the old, in the matter of salvation.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Thanks...

For the most part, I think everyone here better understands me now. Sometimes we need to disconnect and try again later. Either they understand me now; or they know I was getting frustrated. When I know what I'm saying makes perfect sense, but people deny the obvious; it's either my fault or their fault...

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

Prayer is needed for the Word of the Lord to have free course in His iron sharpen iron ministry of His.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

25 Brethren, pray for us.

 

[Eleanor]

I would like to think that people are used to me by now...

Watch what happens; I've seen it time-and-time again. When the subject changes, and I give some good points in support of Calvinism; I'll be everyone's favorite again...

It's not about you personally, you're a nice guy, it is about your Biblically uwarranted theology.
It seems that among some here, theology is the source of doctrine, that is backwards.
Theology is not the source of any divine truth, rather divine truth is the source of theology, for Christian theology is the systemization of Biblical truth.

Just as i don't get to add a Biblically unwarranted fourth person to the Godhead, so you don't get to add a Biblically unwarranted second ransom to Christ's atonement.

Sola Scriptura means Scripture is the only judge of spiritual (of the Holy Spirit ) truth.

And it is the judge of spiritual truth in that it is the measure of spiritual truth.
If what is presented is not in agreement with Scripture, it is not spiritual truth.
As in the doctrine of the Trinity, not presented in Scripture as a doctrine, but when measured by Scripture, it is
in absolute agreement with what Scripture presents,
does not go outside the boundaries of what Scripture presents, and
does not subtract from what Scripture presents.

The "doctrine" of dual ransoms by Christ does not measure up.
Everywhere Scripture presents Christ's expiatory sacrifice under God's judgment upon sin as the provision of a ransom (Mt 20:28, Mk 1:45, 1 Ti 26), whereby those who receive him as the sacrifice for their sin obtain deliverance from the penalty due to sin.
Nothing is ransomed that does not accept the ransom by faith.

To posit that the purpose of Christ's brutal atoning death included anything else that was less,
that anything less would apply to all without exception, and of no faith,
contrary to the Biblical testimony of the meaning of blood sacrifice as presented in the OT sacrifices and in authoritative NT apostolic teaching,
is to hi-jack Christ's atonement for the sake of serving your personal theology,
altering the terms of his sacrifice, both in meaning (expiation) and application (by belief in him), which is
as grievous a misrepresentation of this sacred reality as were the false charges against him.
To attempt to manipulate such a staggering Christian foundational reality, all for the sake of one's own personal theology,
betrays an insufficient apprehension of the cross.

 

[Arial]

It seems that among some here, theology is the source of doctrine.
That is backwards.
Theology is not the source of any divine truth, rather divine truth is the source of theology, for theology is the systemization of Biblical truth.

Theology as a discipline is the study of God. Where else would we study God but from the scriptures, and where else would our doctrines come from but from this study of who God is? I don't know why it is you equate this distinction between theology and doctrine as not being sola scriptura? Theology does not claim itself to be the source of any divine truth. It claims the Bible as the source of all truth. That is its very starting point. It is how divine truth is ascertained or apprehended. Everyone is doing a form of theology in their mind with every word of scripture they read.

 

[Eleanor]

I suspect the source of the error above (post #375) is covenant theology, which needs some work Biblically.

 

[Arial]

Everywhere Scripture presents Christ's expiatory sacrifice under God's judgment upon sin as the provision of a ransom (Mt 20:28, Mk 1:45, 1 Ti 26), whereby those who receive him as the sacrifice for their sin obtain deliverance from the penalty due to sin.
Nothing is ransomed that does not accept the ransom by faith.

Then what about those of the OT who are included in that great cloud of saints that surround us mentioned in Hebrews. They all died pre incarnate Christ? Before the ransom was paid.

What is this aspect of faith that has always given eternal life that might be being missed?

 

[Arial]

I suspect the source of the error above (post #375) is covenant theology, which needs some work Biblically.

That is your post so I am a bit confused. What is the error? And why does covenant theology need some work biblically? Statements like this, for me anyway, need to be clarified---made specific, in order for any sort of conversation to be possible.

 

[ReverendRV]

That is your post so I am a bit confused. What is the error? And why does covenant theology need some work biblically? Statements like this, for me anyway, need to be clarified---made specific, in order for any sort of conversation to be possible.

It's her Post, but it is a comment about my Post...

I think she wants to talk to me; but I'm just Lurking...