Acts 8

[donadams]

How does the eunuch know about baptism?

Assuming that the apostles only taught “faith alone” as some say:

 

[Deleted member 5]

How does the eunuch know about baptism?

Assuming that the apostles only taught “faith alone” as some say:

Is it possible you do not understand Sola Fide and are erecting and fighting straw man arguments?

 

[donadams]

Is it possible you do not understand Sola Fide and are erecting and fighting straw man arguments?

Please explain
Alone, sola, sole don’t mean what they say?

 

[Deleted member 5]

Please explain
Alone, sola, sole don’t mean what they say?

What are all the Solas?

 

[Eleanor]

How does the eunuch know about baptism?

Probably from what Philip had told him (Ac 8:35).

Assuming that the apostles only taught “faith alone” as some say:

Faith alone is in reference to salvation, and is found in Eph 2:8-9, the distinction being between faith with works, or faith without works.

Salvation is by faith only (Eph 2:8-9). Baptism does not save.
Baptism was administered after they came to faith, by which faith they were saved (from the wrath of God, Ro 5:9).

 

[donadams]

What are all the Solas?

FACAGASAGA!

Faith alone:
Christ alone:
Grace alone:
Scripture alone:
Glory to God alone:

In biblical is the best answer! Lol!

Faith Alone:

Truth / doctrine Jn 14:6
Sacrifice / sacraments Jn 1:16-17 Jn 1:29
Christ is in His person is our salvation Lk 2:30

How can it be “faith alone” Christ is not only a doctrine or set of beliefs but He is our Passover sacrifice and He is our salvation, His person, Lk 2:30 I have seen my Salvation!
We must have union with Christ by faith and baptism.

“Faith alone” condemned by sacred scripture!

Deut 6:4 love of God
Matt 19:17 commandments
Matt 16:25 lose you’re life / rev 12:11
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Matt 24:13 endure
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Phil 1:29 faith and suffering rom 8:17 2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
James 2:24 faith & works
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 14:12 commandments & patience

Rev 12:11 over cane by the blood of the Lamb not by “faith alone”

Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13

Faith:
Hope:
Charity:

1 cor 13:2 even all faith without charity (Deut 6:4) avails nothing!

NOTHING!

“Faith alone” is a false gospel!

Grace alone: Mk 16:16 faith and baptism!
Jn 3:5 water and the spirit! Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 the promise of the father, sacred oath is a sacrament!

Not grace alone but, grace thru baptism of water and the spirit, and a new heart full of love of God!

Matt 5:7 merciful receive mercy
Lk 7:47 forgiven by love
1 pet 4:8 charity covers sins
Jn 20:21-23 sins forgiven

Acts 22:15 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
(Calling me a not a sola)

Faith alone in Christ alone thru grace alone without “charity” avails nothing! 1 cor 13:2


Christ alone: John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 4:24
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Not Christ alone must also believe on the Father who sent Christ!

Scripture alone: Matt 16:18-19 mark 16:14-16 Matt 5:14 Matt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:8 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 1 Tim 3:15 all oppose scripture alone!

Glory to God alone: Psalm 73:24
Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.

2 Thessalonians 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

2 Thessalonians 1:12
That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 5:4
And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

 

[donadams]

Probably from what Philip had told him (Ac 8:35).

Faith alone is in reference to salvation, and is found in Eph 2:8-9, the distinction being between faith with works, or faith without works.

Salvation is by faith only (Eph 2:8-9). Baptism does not save.
Baptism was administered after they came to faith, by which faith they were saved (from the wrath of God, Ro 5:9).

Really you mean the apostles did not teach “Faith Alone”?

Wow!

Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

eph 2:8 does not refer to you’re salvation it’s already past tense when Paul wrote it so it refers redemption accomplished by Christ apart from our involvement

Christian faith includes baptism Jn 3:5 by water and the spirit and not faith alone. Mk 16:16 acts 2:38 acts 8:26 Titus 3:5 1 pet 3:20-21

And charity 1 cor 13:2 and 1 cor 13/13


Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part!

Justification:
then when we believe in him and his redemption we are justified in that faith and baptism!

Sanctification:
then we are in Christ and his church by grace faith and baptism we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, other sacraments etc.

At the hour of death separation from the grace of God by apostasy / rejection of Christ or failing to repent of serious sin a man is lost in damnation! Or

Salvation:
Is for those who are faithful and die in the grace of God united to Christ and in his saints at death enter into eternal salvation!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) Jn 3:5 zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

Thanks

 

[Eleanor]

Really you mean the apostles did not teach “Faith Alone”?

Wow!

Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

eph 2:8 does not refer to you’re salvation it’s already past tense when Paul wrote it so it refers redemption accomplished by Christ apart from our involvement

Christian faith includes baptism Jn 3:5 by water and the spirit and not faith alone. Mk 16:16 acts 2:38 acts 8:26 Titus 3:5 1 pet 3:20-21

And charity 1 cor 13:2 and 1 cor 13/13


Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part!

Justification:
then when we believe in him and his redemption we are justified in that faith and baptism!

Sanctification:
then we are in Christ and his church by grace faith and baptism we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, other sacraments etc.

At the hour of death separation from the grace of God by apostasy / rejection of Christ or failing to repent of serious sin a man is lost in damnation! Or

Salvation:
Is for those who are faithful and die in the grace of God united to Christ and in his saints at death enter into eternal salvation!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) Jn 3:5 zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

Thanks

This is answered in the post to which you are responding here, post #5.

Do you not understand it?

 

[Deleted member 5]

FACAGASAGA!

Faith alone:
Christ alone:
Grace alone:
Scripture alone:
Glory to God alone:

In biblical is the best answer! Lol!

Faith Alone:

Truth / doctrine Jn 14:6
Sacrifice / sacraments Jn 1:16-17 Jn 1:29
Christ is in His person is our salvation Lk 2:30

How can it be “faith alone” Christ is not only a doctrine or set of beliefs but He is our Passover sacrifice and He is our salvation, His person, Lk 2:30 I have seen my Salvation!
We must have union with Christ by faith and baptism.

“Faith alone” condemned by sacred scripture!

Deut 6:4 love of God
Matt 19:17 commandments
Matt 16:25 lose you’re life / rev 12:11
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Matt 24:13 endure
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Phil 1:29 faith and suffering rom 8:17 2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
James 2:24 faith & works
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 14:12 commandments & patience

Rev 12:11 over cane by the blood of the Lamb not by “faith alone”

Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13

Faith:
Hope:
Charity:

1 cor 13:2 even all faith without charity (Deut 6:4) avails nothing!

NOTHING!

“Faith alone” is a false gospel!

Grace alone: Mk 16:16 faith and baptism!
Jn 3:5 water and the spirit! Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 the promise of the father, sacred oath is a sacrament!

Not grace alone but, grace thru baptism of water and the spirit, and a new heart full of love of God!

Matt 5:7 merciful receive mercy
Lk 7:47 forgiven by love
1 pet 4:8 charity covers sins
Jn 20:21-23 sins forgiven

Acts 22:15 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
(Calling me a not a sola)

Faith alone in Christ alone thru grace alone without “charity” avails nothing! 1 cor 13:2


Christ alone: John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 4:24
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Not Christ alone must also believe on the Father who sent Christ!

Scripture alone: Matt 16:18-19 mark 16:14-16 Matt 5:14 Matt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:8 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 1 Tim 3:15 all oppose scripture alone!

Glory to God alone: Psalm 73:24
Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.

2 Thessalonians 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

2 Thessalonians 1:12
That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 5:4
And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Lol! You're all over the place. The shotgun method!! Maybe you'll hit something! You're not willing to listen to reason or accept correction.

 

[donadams]

This is answered in the post to which you are responding here, post #5.

Do you not understand it?

No
Baptism does not save
Can you explain a few verses?

Ez 36:25-27
Matt 28;19
Mk 16:16
Jn 3:5
Jn 3:22
Jn 4:1
Acts 2:38
Acts 8:36
Acts 22:16
1 cor 12:13
Gal 3:27
Titus 3:5
1pet 1:30-21

Thanks

 

[donadams]

Lol! You're all over the place. The shotgun method!! Maybe you'll hit something! You're not willing to listen to reason or accept correction.

Are you an apostle having authority from Christ?

 

[Eleanor]

No
Baptism does not save
Can you explain a few verses?

Ez 36:25-27
Matt 28;19
Mk 16:16
Jn 3:5
Jn 3:22
Jn 4:1
Acts 2:38
Acts 8:36
Acts 22:16
1 cor 12:13
Gal 3:27
Titus 3:5
1pet 1:30-21

Thanks

In NT times, baptism so closely followed conversion that the two were considered part of one event, as in Acts where it is associated with belief (Ac 8:12, 18:8), acceptance of the word (Ac 2:41) and repentance (Ac 2:38). While baptism is not a means by which we enter into a faith relationship with Christ, it is closely associated with faith. Baptism saves (1 Pe 3:21) would an example of what I think the RCC refers to as "sacramental union," where the effects of one (salvation) are attributed to the other (baptism).

But baptism itself does not save, only faith saves, apart from any performance.

 

[Carbon]

No
Baptism does not save
Can you explain a few verses?

Ez 36:25-27
Matt 28;19
Mk 16:16
Jn 3:5
Jn 3:22
Jn 4:1
Acts 2:38
Acts 8:36
Acts 22:16
1 cor 12:13
Gal 3:27
Titus 3:5
1pet 1:30-21

Thanks

You don’t use scripture to prove your points? Just verse numbers?
But you expect others to look up all your verses?

Really?

 

[Deleted member 5]

You don’t use scripture to prove your points? Just verse numbers?
But you expect others to look up all your verses?

Really?

Good point, it makes it appear he has proven his point, but that's simply not the case.

 

[Deleted member 5]

Are you an apostle having authority from Christ?

Your retort accomplishes nothing and is frankly silly and dismissive.

What authority do you have? None that I can tell since you embrace a false gospel.

What I am pointing out is your long and obtuse posts prove nothing other than getting lost in the land of non sequitur. You ramble on with them over and over again, and they are nothing less than cut and paste avoidances.

Secondly, what is this hang up with "authority from Christ" you have? As a believer in Christ I have all the authority I need being an adopted son to preach, teach and defend the truth via the Scriptures.

 

[Carbon]

Good point, it makes it appear he has proven his point,

Yes. And we been around that before.

but that's simply not the case.

 

[civic]

FACAGASAGA!

Faith alone:
Christ alone:
Grace alone:
Scripture alone:
Glory to God alone:

In biblical is the best answer! Lol!

Faith Alone:

Truth / doctrine Jn 14:6
Sacrifice / sacraments Jn 1:16-17 Jn 1:29
Christ is in His person is our salvation Lk 2:30

How can it be “faith alone” Christ is not only a doctrine or set of beliefs but He is our Passover sacrifice and He is our salvation, His person, Lk 2:30 I have seen my Salvation!
We must have union with Christ by faith and baptism.

“Faith alone” condemned by sacred scripture!

Deut 6:4 love of God
Matt 19:17 commandments
Matt 16:25 lose you’re life / rev 12:11
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Matt 24:13 endure
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Phil 1:29 faith and suffering rom 8:17 2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
James 2:24 faith & works
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 14:12 commandments & patience

Rev 12:11 over cane by the blood of the Lamb not by “faith alone”

Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13

Faith:
Hope:
Charity:

1 cor 13:2 even all faith without charity (Deut 6:4) avails nothing!

NOTHING!

“Faith alone” is a false gospel!

Grace alone: Mk 16:16 faith and baptism!
Jn 3:5 water and the spirit! Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 the promise of the father, sacred oath is a sacrament!

Not grace alone but, grace thru baptism of water and the spirit, and a new heart full of love of God!

Matt 5:7 merciful receive mercy
Lk 7:47 forgiven by love
1 pet 4:8 charity covers sins
Jn 20:21-23 sins forgiven

Acts 22:15 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
(Calling me a not a sola)

Faith alone in Christ alone thru grace alone without “charity” avails nothing! 1 cor 13:2


Christ alone: John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 4:24
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Not Christ alone must also believe on the Father who sent Christ!

Scripture alone: Matt 16:18-19 mark 16:14-16 Matt 5:14 Matt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:8 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 1 Tim 3:15 all oppose scripture alone!

Glory to God alone: Psalm 73:24
Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.

2 Thessalonians 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

2 Thessalonians 1:12
That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 5:4
And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Maybe its baptism saves that is the false gospel you alluded to have you ever considered that possibility ?

Faith is always the condition of salvation everywhere salvation is mentioned in scripture.

If baptism was essential like you claim why is it left out everywhere except a few places ?

Did Jesus and the Apostles get the memo wrong and you got is right ?

 

[donadams]

In NT times, baptism so closely followed conversion that the two were considered part of one event, as in Acts where it is associated with belief (Ac 8:12, 18:8), acceptance of the word (Ac 2:41) and repentance (Ac 2:38). While baptism is not a means by which we enter into a faith relationship with Christ, it is closely associated with faith. Baptism saves (1 Pe 3:21) would an example of what I think the RCC refers to as "sacramental union," where the effects of one (salvation) are attributed to the other (baptism).

But baptism itself does not save, only faith saves, apart from any performance.

That’s the problem with “faith alone” negates the word and renders baptism meaningless

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

(Key verse! Actions speak louder than words: verse 22)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!


baptismal regeneration!
A new creation in Christ! 2 cor 5:17
Jn 1 JTB prepared the way by baptism!
Jn 2 the waters of purification are OT prefigurement of baptism!
Jn 3:5 born again means baptism
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river! Not to preach “accept Christ as personal lord and savior”
But to BAPTIZE!!!

 

[donadams]

You don’t use scripture to prove your points? Just verse numbers?
But you expect others to look up all your verses?

Really?

I have to do the same all day long

 

[Carbon]

I have to do the same all day long

What do you mean?