Why Should Christians Be Concerned about the Correct Location of the Third TEMPLE.

[VCO]

Christians should not be concerned with this matter because there will be no third temple.

Nowhere does scripture explicitly state another temple other than Christ and his body will be built. All prophetic references to the temple should be understood to be about Christ resurrected and his body f believers (1 Cor. 3:16) and not a temple of stone built by human hands. Every mention of the word, "temple," occurs when either a temple is still standing, or the temple of Christ is pending. The belief in a future stone temple is not only something nowhere stated in scripture, it is solely, always and everywhere, a position reached by an inferential reading of scripture to presumes a stone temple. It is not something scripture explicitly reports will be built in our future.

No third temple of stone will be built.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (NIV)
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

That had NEVER HAPPENED yet, but it will happen.

READ Zechariah Chapters 40 - 48, and you will find out about the Fourth Temple.

Zechariah 14:16-17 (NASB)
16 Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths.
17 And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them.

Just so you know, there is the only earthly religion on this earth. Christanity, will not be on earth, it will only be in heaven, when that happens.

 

[Josheb]

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (NIV)
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

That had NEVER HAPPENED yet, but it will happen.

READ Zechariah Chapters 40 - 48, and you will find out about the Fourth Temple.

Zechariah 14:16-17 (NASB)
16 Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths.
17 And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them.

Just so you know, there is the only earthly religion on this earth. Christanity, will not be on earth, it will only be in heaven, when that happens.

Neither passage states a third or fourth temple of stone will be built.

When 2 Thessalonians 2:4 was written there was a temple of stone still standing. There was also another temple, one not built by human hands and not made of stone. There is nothing in the entire letter of 2 Thessalonians stating ANOTHER temple of stone will be built.

Likewise, the Zechariah 14:16-17 does not mention a temple anywhere. After the prophet Zechariah spoke/wrote a temple of stone was built. So too was a temple not made of stone. Nowhere does Zechariah explicitly state a third or fourth temple of stone will be built.



The fact some otherwise well-meaning, earnest and devoted Christians take verses about the temple and make them mean things they do not actually state was just demonstrated. So let's try this again: Can I be provided with a single scripture that explicitly states a third temple of stone will be built? I'll take two or three if you can find that many. I am NOT asking for scripture that is read inferentially to say such a thing based on already-existing end times doctrine. What I am asking for is a verse that itself explicitly states a third temple of stone will be built. Can I be provided with that?

Let make what I hope will be commentary that prevents future division. I have asked this exact same question of many modern futurists and very few of them ever immediately give the honest answer. What typically happens is several attempts are made to use inferentially-read verse and not explicit statements. Only after several failed attempts at providing an explicit statement does one of two things happen: 1) they are honest and forthcoming and acknowledge there is no such verse and then we discuss how it an end times view can be held when scripture is silent, or 2) they resort to ad hominem, goalpost moving, and appeals to false equivalences ("the word Trinity is nowhere found"), which are all fallacious responses further indicating resistance to the truth of scripture, and the conversation stops. So please pay attention to the details of what I am asking. It is a good and valid inquiry. Its answer is foundational to the question asked in this op. The correct answer is, "There are none," but I want to give you the opportunity to prove me wrong, or the opportunity to be honest and forthcoming, consensus building and collaborative.



Can I be provided with a single scripture that explicitly states a third temple of stone will be built?
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[VCO]

Neither passage states a third or fourth temple of stone will be built.

When 2 Thessalonians 2:4 was written there was a temple of stone still standing. There was also another temple, one not built by human hands and not made of stone. There is nothing in the entire letter of 2 Thessalonians stating ANOTHER temple of stone will be built.

Likewise, the Zechariah 14:16-17 does not mention a temple anywhere. After the prophet Zechariah spoke/wrote a temple of stone was built. So too was a temple not made of stone. Nowhere does Zechariah explicitly state a third or fourth temple of stone will be built.



The fact some otherwise well-meaning, earnest and devoted Christians take verses about the temple and make them mean things they do not actually state was just demonstrated. So let's try this again: Can I be provided with a single scripture that explicitly states a third temple of stone will be built? I'll take two or three if you can find that many. I am NOT asking for scripture that is read inferentially to say such a thing based on already-existing end times doctrine. What I am asking for is a verse that itself explicitly states a third temple of stone will be built. Can I be provided with that?

Let make what I hope will be commentary that prevents future division. I have asked this exact same question of many modern futurists and very few of them ever immediately give the honest answer. What typically happens is several attempts are made to use inferentially-read verse and not explicit statements. Only after several failed attempts at providing an explicit statement does one of two things happen: 1) they are honest and forthcoming and acknowledge there is no such verse and then we discuss how it an end times view can be held when scripture is silent, or 2) they resort to ad hominem, goalpost moving, and appeals to false equivalences ("the word Trinity is nowhere found"), which are all fallacious responses further indicating resistance to the truth of scripture, and the conversation stops. So please pay attention to the details of what I am asking. It is a good and valid inquiry. Its answer is foundational to the question asked in this op. The correct answer is, "There are none," but I want to give you the opportunity to prove me wrong, or the opportunity to be honest and forthcoming, consensus building and collaborative.



Can I be provided with a single scripture that explicitly states a third temple of stone will be built?
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Believe what you want to. I will believe the Bible.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 (NASB)
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?

 

[Josheb]

Believe what you want to. I will believe the Bible.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 (NASB)
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?

The evidence proves otherwise.

2 Thes. does not actually state a third temple will be built. What verse 4 states is the man of lawlessness takes his seat in the temple of God. Nothing more. The words "build" and "built" do not exist anywhere in the 2 Thes. 2 text. The second letter to the Thessalonians was written circa 53 AD when Herod's temple was still standing, along with the existing 1 Corinthians 3:16 temple. Those are all facts of scripture and facts of history. When these facts are denied, so too is scripture. Claims to the contrary are self-indicting.


So let's try it one more time.....


Can I be provided with a single scripture that explicitly states a third temple of stone will be built? (two or three if you can find them)

Thx
.

 

[VCO]

.... and appeals to false equivalences ("the word Trinity is nowhere found"), which are all fallacious responses further indicating resistance to the truth of scripture, and the conversation stops. So please pay attention to the details of what I am asking. It is a good and valid inquiry. Its answer is foundational to the question asked in this op. The correct answer is, "There are none," but I want to give you the opportunity to prove me wrong, or the opportunity to be honest and forthcoming, consensus building and collaborative.


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Like I said, you are free to believe what you want.

I am free to believe the Bible, about the Trinity.

 

[Josheb]

I am free to believe the Bible.

Then do so!

2 Thessalonians 2 does not explicitly state a third temple of stone will be built. There is not a verse in the Bible that does so and if there were the opportunity to post it has availed itself. Believe what is written exactly as written and not what others say it says.

If the apostacy occurs the lawless man will sit down in God's temple.

Print this question and take it to your pastor and two elders, or two other men whose counsel you respect and ask them to answer the question. They are going to tell you the same thing I did: "An explicit verse explicitly stating a future temple will be built does not exist but we* reach that position by inferring a future temple from things stated in the prophets."

Go ask.

If you have an eBible then do a word search of the words "temple AND build" and examine the scriptures yourself. You will find one reference to Solomon in 1 Chron 29, and one reference to a temple for wickedness in Zech. 5. You will also find three verses all in Zechariah 6 where the "the man whose name is 'Branch'" (Jesus is the Branch of David) builds the temple of the LORD, and then Jesus' claim to build the temple in three days (Mk. 14 and Jn. 2). That's it. That will be what scripture explicitly states. Look it up. Then believe it. Believe it exactly as written.



Last chance:

Can I be provided with a single scripture that explicitly states a third temple of stone will be built? (two or three if you can find them)



















*"we" being modern futurists who believe a third temple will be built.
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[VCO]

Then do so!

2 Thessalonians 2 does not explicitly state a third temple of stone will be built. There is not a verse in the Bible that does so and if there were the opportunity to post it has availed itself. Believe what is written exactly as written and not what others say it says.

If the apostacy occurs the lawless man will sit down in God's temple.

Print this question and take it to your pastor and two elders, or two other men whose counsel you respect and ask them to answer the question. They are going to tell you the same thing I did: "An explicit verse explicitly stating a future temple will be built does not exist but we* reach that position by inferring a future temple from things stated in the prophets."

Go ask.

If you have an eBible then do a word search of the words "temple AND build" and examine the scriptures yourself. You will find one reference to Solomon in 1 Chron 29, and one reference to a temple for wickedness in Zech. 5. You will also find three verses all in Zechariah 6 where the "the man whose name is 'Branch'" (Jesus is the Branch of David) builds the temple of the LORD, and then Jesus' claim to build the temple in three days (Mk. 14 and Jn. 2). That's it. That will be what scripture explicitly states. Look it up. Then believe it. Believe it exactly as written.



Last chance:

Can I be provided with a single scripture that explicitly states a third temple of stone will be built? (two or three if you can find them)

You do not understand Scripture. It is not a Complete Book, it is only a Book of Highlights. I gave you enough information, for you to Understand that because of the scripture stating that because of the one verse that states:

2 Thessalonians 2:4 (NASB77)
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

The TEMPLE had to be built. I do not care that you do not agree with me.

I believe this statement literally also; does not receive the Son, does not receive the Father also, which means I fully accept the Holy Trinity. I am not going to argue with you about that.

I also believe in the Fourth Temple, so I also do not want to Argue about that subject either.

We are done.

 

[Josheb]

The TEMPLE had to be built.

There was a temple still standing, and another one being built at that time. No temple had to be built.

The TEMPLE had to be built.

Implying the verse does not state one was going to be built. The words of the verse do NOT state, "The temple had to be built." Nor do they state, "There will be another temple built."

I believe in the fourth temple,

I understand that. The problem is the belief is held without a single verse explicitly stating any such thing will ever occur. It is a belief for which no explicit statement in scripture exists.

so I also do not argue about that subject, either.

ROTFLMBO!

What I have done is ask one, simple, single, solitary, very valid and op-relevant question:

Can I be provided with a single scripture that
EXPLICITLY
states a third temple of stone will be built?​

....and then I simply observed the verse cited does not explicitly state another temple will be built and noted any future temple believed to be built in our future must be inferred because it is not explicitly stated.

You do not understand Scripture.

Nice ad hominem, but you do not have a clue what I do or do not understand. I perfectly understand 2 Thes. 2 was twisted to say something it does not explicitly stated and when that was pointed out ad hominem ensued.

We are done.

Well, you may be done but I will continue to post on the subject of the third temple as I choose, beginning with the following facts:

1. There isn't a single verse in the entire Bible anywhere explicitly stating another temple will ever be built.
2. There was a temple of stone built after the Old Testament prophecies and it was still standing when the New Testament was written.
3. There was also a temple not of stone being built in the New Testament era exactly as was prophesied in the Old Testament.
4. Jesus predicted the temple of stone would be destroyed and the only other temple ever predicted to be built was his resurrected body.

That is what the Bible explicitly states and, if asked, I can actually point to specific verses that explicitly state what I posted. A belief in a third (or fourth) is temple nowhere found explicitly stated in God's word.

I believe in the fourth temple.

Me too. It is the body of Christ resurrected, the saints for whom Yeshua the Messiah is the foundation, the chief cornerstone, and its capstone. No other temple was ever wanted, intended or built by God. I also believe people looking forward to a third and fourth temple are going to die disappointed, having looked for something that never came and missing out on the significance of the only/or temple God ever intended to be built. Even if another temple is built it will not have anything to do with God. It will be an idol, just as were all the previous stone ones were.

And since I could not have a civil conversation with you or get one single valid and op-relevant question answered I will be posting an alternative view without your collaboration.

 

[VCO]

Colossians 2:9 (HCSB)
9 For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ,

John 1:1 (HCSB)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[VCO]

Just to make sure you know the facts.

This Picts if from the East.
Northern wall of to the TEMPLE is just inside of the Road just South of the Ft. Antonia.
And the Southern Wall is about in line with that Big Tree.

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

Very interesting research and historical pictures. I've also done research which matches your findings.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/if-the-wailing-wall-is-the-remains-of-the-temple-then-jesus-made-a-false-prophecy.1337/

 

[VCO]

MERRY CHRISTMAS! To ALL.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

So why should Christians be Concerned about the Correct Location of the THIRD TEMPLE?

WE shouldn't care about it one way or another. When Antichrist comes as their "Messiah" it won't matter a BIT where they stick their temple.

 

[EarlyActs]

WE shouldn't care about it one way or another. When Antichrist comes as their "Messiah" it won't matter a BIT where they stick their temple.

They had an anti-messiah already, as Christ warned, in that generation. That's why John (same writer as the Rev) said the spirit of antichrist was at work already.

 

[Marty]

They had an anti-messiah already, as Christ warned, in that generation. That's why John (same writer as the Rev) said the spirit of antichrist was at work already.

There are only four verses in the entire bible that uses the word antichrist

1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

John was the only person in the bible to use the term antichrist and if you read how Jesus described the Pharisees in Johns gospel you will see that apostate Israel is the perfect description of the antichrist

 

[EarlyActs]

There are only four verses in the entire bible that uses the word antichrist

1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

John was the only person in the bible to use the term antichrist and if you read how Jesus described the Pharisees in Johns gospel you will see that apostate Israel is the perfect description of the antichrist

In addition, there is a traditional (I mean within Judaism) understanding that the evil person of Dan 8-9 ruins the country. I believe this is what Paul had in mind in Thess material on these things. And I favor the masculine of Mt 24:15, that the abomination was a person, which has its basis in Dan 8-9. That means that the failure of Israel en masse to be a missionary nation was the 'apostasia.'

Futurism derails in Dan 9 when not referring to Christ in v27a, but doing so with 27b.

 

[VCO]

WE shouldn't care about it one way or another. When Antichrist comes as their "Messiah" it won't matter a BIT where they stick their temple.

Well, the Bible Saves the Mortal People will get Saved in the Temple in the Millennium. Please read Chapters 40 - 48 in Ezekiel, and Zechariah 14:1-21.

Isaiah 46:11

New International Version

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11 . . .
What I have said, that I will bring about;
what I have planned, that I will do.

 

[EarlyActs]

Well, the Bible Saves the Mortal People will get Saved in the Temple in the Millennium. Please read Chapters 40 - 48 in Ezekiel, and Zechariah 14:1-21.

Isaiah 46:11​

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New International Version​

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11 . . .
What I have said, that I will bring about;
what I have planned, that I will do.

You should get familiar with how the NT uses the OT. The new temple was Christ. You’ll find this in Eph 2, among others.

 

[EarlyActs]

In addition, there is a traditional (I mean within Judaism) understanding that the evil person of Dan 8-9 ruins the country. I believe this is what Paul had in mind in Thess material on these things. And I favor the masculine of Mt 24:15, that the abomination was a person, which has its basis in Dan 8-9. That means that the failure of Israel en masse to be a missionary nation was the 'apostasia.'

Futurism derails in Dan 9 when not referring to Christ in v27a, but doing so with 27b.

Corr: On last line.
It details when saying 27a is not Christ even though correct to say 27b is not and is the evil person.

This step breaks the whole futurist plan, which is not how the NT goes anyway.

 

[VCO]

You should get familiar with how the NT uses the OT. The new temple was Christ. You’ll find this in Eph 2, among others.

Wrong! You should get familiar with how the O.T. expects you to take it serious the things HE SAID in his WORD.

Let me guess, you are 15 years of age, and I am 74 Years of Age.