Why Should Christians Be Concerned about the Correct Location of the Third TEMPLE.
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Sorry, I clicking on the wrong thing.
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NEVER have Gentiles been called Israel in Scripture or in the world. And if they were then they would be wrong who'd say such a thing.
The name of God's Bride has a name already. She is called Israel and God has a Marital Covenant with this people.
I don't know where you get your teaching but in almost every statement you make there is an error when held up to Scripture. The things you say make me think Mormon or some other false church out there, but definitely not any orthodox church. There is something wrong with your belief-system. Just trying to help you. Or you can reject my help and continue as you are.
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Don't you know that the KJV is nothing but a Paraphrased Version, and the New King James is a translation and the corrected it to read NATIONS.
You really NEED to READ the Original Preface of the 1611 KJV, they admitted that they paraphrased lots of it from earlier English Versions. I think you will find you have put the KJV on WAY TOO HIGH OF A PEDISTAL. Here, I have pulled some excerpts out for you:
"The Translators To The Reader
Zeale to promote the common good, whether it be by devising any thing our selves, or revising that which hath bene laboured by others, . . .
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But how shall men meditate in that, which they cannot understand? How shall they understand that which is kept close in an unknowen tongue? . . . so lest the Church be driven to the like exigent, it is necessary to have translations in a readinesse. . .
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Yet it seemed good to the holy Ghost and to them, to take that which they found, (the same being for the greatest part true and sufficient) rather then by making a new, in that new world and greene age of the Church, to expose themselves to many exceptions and cavillations, as though they made a Translation to serve their owne turne, and therefore bearing witnesse to themselves, their witnesse not to be regarded. This may be supposed to bee some cause, why the Translation of the Seventie was allowed to passe for currant. . . . he holdeth the Authours thereof not onely for Interpreters, but also for Prophets in some respect: and Justinian the Emperour enjoyning the Jewes his subjects to use specially the Translation of the Seventie, rendreth this reason thereof, because they were as it were enlighted with propheticall grace. . . .
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(and Saint Jerome affirmeth as much) that the Seventie were Interpreters, they were not Prophets; they did many things well, as learned men; but yet as men they stumbled and fell, one while through oversight, another while through ignorance, yea, sometimes they may be noted to adde to the Originall, and sometimes to take from it; which made the Apostles to leave them many times, when they left the Hebrew, and to deliver the sence thereof according to the trueth of the word, as the spirit gave them utterance. This may suffice touching the Greeke Translations of the old Testament. . . .
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There were also within a few hundreth yeeres after CHRIST, translations many into the Latine tongue: for this tongue also was very fit to convey the Law and the Gospel by, because in those times very many Countreys of the West, yea of the South, East and North, spake or understood Latine, being made Provinces to the Romanes. But now the Latine Translations were too many to be all good, . . . Now the Church of Rome . . . Yea, so unwilling they are to communicate the Scriptures to the peoples understanding in any sort, that they are not ashamed to confesse, that wee forced them to translate it into English against their wills. . . .
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And to the same effect say wee, that we are so farre off from condemning any of their labours that traveiled before us in this kinde, either in this land or beyond sea, either in King Henries time, or King Edwards (if there were any translation, or correction of a translation in his time) or Queene Elizabeths of ever-renoumed memorie, that we acknowledge them to have beene raised up of God, for the building and furnishing of his Church, and that they deserve to be had of us and of posteritie in everlasting remembrance. . . .
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Yet for all that, as nothing is begun and perfited at the same time, and the later thoughts are thought to be the wiser: so, if we building upon their foundation that went before us, and being holpen by their labours, doe endevour to make that better which they left so good; no man, we are sure, hath cause to mislike us; they, we persuade our selves, if they were alive, would thanke us. . . .
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to have the translations of the Bible maturely considered of and examined. For by this meanes it commeth to passe, that whatsoever is sound alreadie (and all is sound for substance, in one or other of our editions, and the worst of ours farre better then their autentike vulgar) the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the originall, the same may bee corrected, and the trueth set in place. . . .
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Now to the later we answere; that wee doe not deny, nay wee affirme and avow, that the very meanest { poorest } translation of the Bible in English, set foorth by men of our profession (for wee have seene none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. . . .
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Yet before we end, we must answere a third cavill and objection of theirs against us, for altering and amending our Taanslations [sic] so oft; wherein truely they deale hardly, and strangely with us. { The very same thing you do to MODERN Translations. } For to whom ever was it imputed for a fault (by such as were wise) to goe over that which hee had done, and to amend it where he saw cause? . . .
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But the difference that appeareth betweene our Translations, and our often correcting of them, is the thing that wee are specially charged with; let us see therefore whether they themselves bee without fault this way, (if it be to be counted a fault, to correct) and whether they bee fit men to throw stones at us: But it is high time to leave them, and to shew in briefe what wee proposed to our selves, and what course we held in this our perusall and survay of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had bene true in some sort, that our people had bene fed with gall of Dragons in stead of wine, with whey in stead of milke, but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principall good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeavour, that our marke. . . . "
{ That makes it a PARAPHRASE and not an actual Translation from the original languages. }
http://www.kjvbibles.com/kjpreface.htm
Note the LINK ABOVE, no longer works. Here are a couple that do work:
(https://library.osu.edu/innovation-...bible/sidebars/the-translators-preface-to-the)
(http://www.ccel.org/bible/kjv/preface/pref1.htm)
“But the difference that appeareth between our Translations, and our often correcting of them, is the thing that we are specially charged with; let us see therefore whether they themselves be without fault this way, (if it be to be counted a fault, to correct) and whether they be fit men to throw stones at us: “
The is yet another excerpt from the 1611 Origninal PREFACE of the KJV;
And NOW you are throwing stones at the Newer Versions.
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Noooo...it's a translation. A word for word translation. And it is the authorized translation for the English-speaking people. All the new age, modern-day translations are taken from Westcott & Hort's 1881 Greek translation whose unauthorized committee used older, unused by the Church Greek copies taken from old, dusty shelves and trash cans of the Vatican library and a trash can from a Catholic convent trash bin, copies made in Egypt by unknown sources and unknown people. Well, I'm not going to get into that right now, but let's just say that this unauthorized committee was dominated by two closet-Catholics who denied the inspiration of the Scriptures and were also closet-Marian worshipers according to their wives and one son?
Thank God for John William Burgon, a contemporary who challenged their work and also with the help of one Christian who was a member of the committee and kept journal of all that transpired behind closed doors, and who made every attempt to steer the committee towards more sincere and genuine outcomes but was outvoted and bullied into doing things their way. His name escapes me but without his contribution and witness to what W&H were doing they would have gotten away with it except that when their Revision was published it was quickly accepted by a liberal-leaning academia whose liberalism was exported to the U.S. colleges and universities by pastors studying abroad and bringing back to our shores such a liberalism affecting most of our northern seminaries and universities that by the time of the 1920s rolled along Dallas Theological Seminary was founded to counter their humanistic influence. After Darwin's work on the species and other anti-God philosophical literature publications of that era liberalism took hold in the U.S. that was only temporarily countered but not outweighed and soon the Social Gospel came into being in the 60s, a gospel that saw the likes of pastors and writers from which this country and the Church never recovered. Although not the cause of it but a symptom, many false churches (Mormonism) and cults (JWs, Baker Eddy, Seventh Day, etc.) came out of the late 1900s (1850s and beyond) were the result of the liberalism that swept Europe and America that mainline Gentile Christianity would never recover. In time the Arminian teachings took hold in U.S. pulpits as increasingly more churches pushed orthodoxy out the door, that once Billy Graham hit the scene it was all over.
No, sir. I am not a liberal and I hold to the inerrancy and inspiration of the Scriptures and the English translation that would weather the coming social and ecclesiological storms about to blow across this world. The adversary (unconverted men) knew in history that one could not stamp out Christianity by killing its adherents, but if you can attack their Scriptures indirectly by publishing a good alternative to a God-inspired and God-preserved worldwide, popular Bible (KJV) then you can induce such a great confusion among the Christian membership so that every believer in time will have under their arms a different bible translation almost as many as the hairs on your head, which is not overseen by Christians but by publishing houses whose only concern in their profit-driven world is how many bibles they can peddle and sell to an unsuspecting Christendom whose existence was not now only being attacked from without but have to deal with attacks from within their very own pews. Today, there are hundreds of new English translations being published for Christian consumption daily that use Westcott and Hort's Greek Revision and many more are coming down the pike. I'll keep my KJV, thank you very much.
Thank God for John William Burgon, a contemporary who challenged their work and also with the help of one Christian who was a member of the committee and kept journal of all that transpired behind closed doors, and who made every attempt to steer the committee towards more sincere and genuine outcomes but was outvoted and bullied into doing things their way. His name escapes me but without his contribution and witness to what W&H were doing they would have gotten away with it except that when their Revision was published it was quickly accepted by a liberal-leaning academia whose liberalism was exported to the U.S. colleges and universities by pastors studying abroad and bringing back to our shores such a liberalism affecting most of our northern seminaries and universities that by the time of the 1920s rolled along Dallas Theological Seminary was founded to counter their humanistic influence. After Darwin's work on the species and other anti-God philosophical literature publications of that era liberalism took hold in the U.S. that was only temporarily countered but not outweighed and soon the Social Gospel came into being in the 60s, a gospel that saw the likes of pastors and writers from which this country and the Church never recovered. Although not the cause of it but a symptom, many false churches (Mormonism) and cults (JWs, Baker Eddy, Seventh Day, etc.) came out of the late 1900s (1850s and beyond) were the result of the liberalism that swept Europe and America that mainline Gentile Christianity would never recover. In time the Arminian teachings took hold in U.S. pulpits as increasingly more churches pushed orthodoxy out the door, that once Billy Graham hit the scene it was all over.
No, sir. I am not a liberal and I hold to the inerrancy and inspiration of the Scriptures and the English translation that would weather the coming social and ecclesiological storms about to blow across this world. The adversary (unconverted men) knew in history that one could not stamp out Christianity by killing its adherents, but if you can attack their Scriptures indirectly by publishing a good alternative to a God-inspired and God-preserved worldwide, popular Bible (KJV) then you can induce such a great confusion among the Christian membership so that every believer in time will have under their arms a different bible translation almost as many as the hairs on your head, which is not overseen by Christians but by publishing houses whose only concern in their profit-driven world is how many bibles they can peddle and sell to an unsuspecting Christendom whose existence was not now only being attacked from without but have to deal with attacks from within their very own pews. Today, there are hundreds of new English translations being published for Christian consumption daily that use Westcott and Hort's Greek Revision and many more are coming down the pike. I'll keep my KJV, thank you very much.
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Not all israel is born again Israel is the bride Christ the church
Keep in mind God has assigned meaning to each and every word that he creates, and lovingly commands not to add or subtract from a word (singular) a new meaning, it can work as in plagiarism robbing the author of His glory (Deuteronomy 4:2) The other simular one at the end of prophecy Revelation 22. It is regard to the whole or perfect word .Both working as on to protect the integrity of the one author.
In that way we can obey the first commandment have no gods in the likeness of men before our Holy Father., the invisible God
Jacob meaning the deceiver , one who grasps the heel of his brother Esau in an attempt at being the first born..Then redeemed as one that does wrestle with flesh and blood , like Esau with the help of the Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit of God. . born again Israel
That Israel is born again no longer after unredeemed the Jacob, kind of Israel. That Israel unredeemed Jacob remains dead in their tressapas and sin, just like all the nations of dying mankind
Genesis 32:27-30 And the man said to him, “What is your name?”And Jacob said, “My name is Jacob.” Then the man said, “Your name will not be Jacob. Your name will now be Israel. I give you this name because you have fought with God and with men,(Esau) and you have won.” Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.”But the man said, “Why do you ask my name?” Then the man blessed Jacob the (deceiver) at that place.
Because God who is no respecter of persons did not desire to be thought of as the God of one nation. In isaiah 62 he promised to rename his bride Israel to a new name more befitting for the bride of all the nations of the world .The father renamer her in Acts . Christian a word with no other meaning added as a demonym, people identified by GPS location. Meaning residents of the city of Christ prepared for his bride of all the nation named after her founder and Husband Christ .
A word that has seemed to lose some meaning . Some say the word Christian is a derogatory word moved by the devil like Bible thumpers or holy rollers etc
New unseen heavenly Jerusalem: A City Full of Goodness
Isaiah 62;1-5 I love Zion,so I will continue to speak for her.I love Jerusalem,so I will not stop speaking.I will speak until goodness[a] shines like a bright light,until salvation burns bright like a flame. Then all nations will see your goodness.All kings will see your honor.Then you will have a"new name" that the Lord himself will give you.You will be like a beautiful crown that the Lord holds up,like a king’s crown in the hand of your God. You will never again be called ‘The People God Left.’Your land will never again be called ‘The Land God Destroyed.’You will be called ‘The People God Loves.’Your land will be called ‘God’s Bride,because the Lord loves you,and your land will be his
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel
Romans 11:7 So this is what has happened: The people of Israel wanted God’s blessing, but they did not all get it. The people he chose did get his blessing, but the others became hard and refused to listen to him.
No different than today not all that call themselves Christians are blessed God I would think he has it all sorted out
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Which Israel is that the divorced Israel? we have the written certificate(the scriptures) Certainly not the born again Israel the inward Jew by the spirit of Christ not the dying flesh of mankind .
Deuteronomy 24:1When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
Deuteronomy 24:3And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
Isaiah 50:1Thus saith the Lord, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.
Jeremiah 3:8And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
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THIS ISRAEL:
Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD;
Neither be dismayed, O Israel:
For, lo, I will save thee from afar,
And thy seed from the land of their captivity;
And Jacob shall return,
And shall be in rest, and be quiet,
And none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee:
Though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee,
Yet will I not make a full end of thee:
Jer. 30:10–11.
18 Thus saith the LORD;
Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob’s tents,
And have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and
The city shall be builded upon her own heap,
And the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.
19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry:
And I will multiply them, and they shall not be few;
I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.
20 Their children also shall be as aforetime,
And their congregation shall be established before me,
And I will punish all that oppress them.
21 And their nobles shall be of themselves,
And their governor shall proceed from the midst of them;
And I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me:
For who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.
22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Jer.30:18–22.
3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying,
Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love:
Therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel:
Thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets,
And shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.
Jer. 31:3–4.
Let me ask you...if Israel has been unfaithful and played the harlot WHY does God call His Bride a VIRGIN?
Maybe He wasn't looking? Maybe he doesn't know? Maybe He's lying?
I think you have a great deal to study. First to study...Revelations is prophecy FOR ISRAEL not Gentiles.
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The temple will never be rebuilt here on earth as we have Christ as our mediator in the heavenly tabernacle. The book of Hebrews makes it clear that a real sanctuary exists in heaven, and Jesus as High Priest ministers, 'We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.'
Hebrews 8:2
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
We should not wait for a Third Temple to be rebuilt, here is why..
'Jesus’ prophecy that the pride of the Jewish nation, the temple, would be destroyed inspired the most intense rejection of His teachings. (See Matthew 24:1, 2.) In John 2:19, Jesus says, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Of course, Jesus is speaking of rebuilding a temple—not of stone and nails, but of living stones (1 Peter 2:5). Yet many refused to grasp this teaching (John 2:20, 21). They even mocked Jesus on the cross regarding His prophecy (Matthew 27:40).
Yet when Jesus died, the veil in the earthly temple ripped in two from the top to bottom, signifying that the temple no longer held meaning. A temple for sacrifice today would be as useless as it was then, and it would not be the house of God.
The New Testament is replete with the idea that the temple is the body of Jesus. Ephesians 2:19–22 says, “Ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God: And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.” (See also 1 Peter 2:5.)
Even after God provides all this clear evidence that His temple is a spiritual one, many Christians are waiting for the Jews to receive a construction permit to rebuild a physical temple on the site where a Muslim mosque now sits. However, there is no prophecy, promise, or commandment in the Bible that says the physical temple would ever be rebuilt after the Romans razed it nearly 2,000 years ago.'
Hebrews 8:2
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
We should not wait for a Third Temple to be rebuilt, here is why..
'Jesus’ prophecy that the pride of the Jewish nation, the temple, would be destroyed inspired the most intense rejection of His teachings. (See Matthew 24:1, 2.) In John 2:19, Jesus says, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Of course, Jesus is speaking of rebuilding a temple—not of stone and nails, but of living stones (1 Peter 2:5). Yet many refused to grasp this teaching (John 2:20, 21). They even mocked Jesus on the cross regarding His prophecy (Matthew 27:40).
Yet when Jesus died, the veil in the earthly temple ripped in two from the top to bottom, signifying that the temple no longer held meaning. A temple for sacrifice today would be as useless as it was then, and it would not be the house of God.
The New Testament is replete with the idea that the temple is the body of Jesus. Ephesians 2:19–22 says, “Ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God: And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.” (See also 1 Peter 2:5.)
Even after God provides all this clear evidence that His temple is a spiritual one, many Christians are waiting for the Jews to receive a construction permit to rebuild a physical temple on the site where a Muslim mosque now sits. However, there is no prophecy, promise, or commandment in the Bible that says the physical temple would ever be rebuilt after the Romans razed it nearly 2,000 years ago.'
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Yes, not the other non-converted. Israel. . as Jacob the deceiver.
The virgin bride of Christ called the surrogate mother of us demonstrated Paul sufferings in pain of labor till Christ was formed in Timothy.
The chaste virgin bride made up of members like Timothy a chaste virgin, The bride that does not fornificate with the gods of the world .The freed bride as the mother of us all
2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
Jesus the Son of man declared; whosoever does the will of God our Holy Father in heaven the same are his brother and sister and mother .
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
The new name the Holy Father named his bride "Christian" a more befitting name for the bride of all the nations of the world
Christian literally "residence of the heavenly City of Christ prepared for the bride" , named her founder and husband Christ .
It would seem the word has lost much of its meaning ?
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Prophecy is for all in who God gives ears to hear and believe His Holy Spirit as it works in them .
I would offer. . An outward Jew trusting his own dying flesh has no vision of the eternal (no faith that could please God) they must follow the oral traditions of dying mankind that they call fathers or Rabbi's .
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No, Believe what you want to. We will believe what is the truth.
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Are you Jehovah Witness?
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When 3000 Jew became born-again by the Holy Spirit of Promise at Pentecost Israel became SPIRITUAL ISRAEL and as the Lord added to His Church DAILY such as should be saved that ADDING to His Church daily meant more and more Jews became born-again and added to the spiritual Church as Israel became SPIRITUAL ISRAEL and as Saul said in Romans 11 "and ALL Israel shall be saved" meaning every Hebrew/Jew born into Israel's Covenants with God will ALL be saved as per God's covenant with that people. Take a read:
22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but xfor mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God
Ezek. 36:22–28.
AND ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED. THAT MEANS EVERY ONE OF THEM. Glory to God in the Highest! Hallelu-JAH!
One more:
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Rev. 5:9–10.
That's a lot of people throughout human history. From Adam to Abel to Seth to Abraham to Esther to David to Josiah to Judas to the last Hebrew/Jew born into the world before Israel's Messiah returns to destroy their enemies, God's enemies, and Christ's enemies. Then shall Israel's Messiah rule with a riod of iron all the Gentile nations that survive and Israel shall have her place at the top of the Redemption totem pole.
Can I get an Amen?
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I see that a little differently .I would offer from my perspective called a private interpretation .personal commentary as to what I think the Spirit of Christ is teaching .
God is no respect of dying flesh of mankind under a curse .Its appointed to all men from every nation to carry out the curse of the law "death"
A person must be born again. Just as Jesus the Son of man who said his own dying flesh profits for nothing,zip,.nada (John6)
What did profit was the unseen Holy Father pouring out his eternal Spirit life on dying flesh .
3000 souls from all the nations each one hearing prophecy in thier own language.Many unbelieving Jew (outward of the flesh ) thought the inward born again Jews were drunk which did to fulfill the prophecy in Isaiah 28. God mocking those Jews who mocked Him that made baby noises without meaning falling a backward slain in the spirit. as sign of "unbelief" . . no faith ( Christ's) as it is written
Acts 2 :6-10 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? (1)Parthians, and (2)Medes, and (3)Elamites, and the (4)dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in (5)Judaea, and (6) Cappadocia, in (7)Pontus, and(8) Asia, (9) Phrygia, and (10) Pamphylia, in(11) Egypt, and in the parts of (12) Libya about (13) Cyrene, and strangers of(14) Rome, (15)Jews and proselytes,
All the kingdoms of the whole world ! One lump of clay.
Calling them from all nations "inward Jews" born of the Spirit of Christ not of the flesh dying mankind outward Jew
Also same time period (reformation) a fulfilment of Joel, the restoring of the government of God to the period of Judges. Men and women prophets from all the nation, prophesying declaring the wil of our unseen Holy Father as apostles sent with the gospel.
The whole period of Kings in Israel (the abomination of desolation) only Jewish men were allowed to partake in the ceremonial shadows . Men's only club again it was restored during the first century reformation
Acts 2:15-17King James Version15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, (reformation) saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: (Every nation) and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,(declare the will of God) and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
In the same way all Israel is not born again Israel . Not all Jew are born again as inward Jews .
Remember God defines the word he uses not dying mankind neither outward Jew nor gentile
Romans 2:28-29King James Version For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly;(Not seen) and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; (death) whose praise is not of men (Jews), but of God.
Two references of outward Jew. Judaizers that pervert the gospel. . trusting thier own dying flesh.
DNA would get them into Christian circle
Revelation 2:9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
God looks on the inside the spiritual not the outward flesh of dying mankind under a curse of "death"
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I think you will find it is talking about every Jew that is not Killed by the Guillotine will be saved in their Mortal Bodies, to go into the 1000 Year Kingdom, that Christ will set up. We will reign as Priests, during that Kingdom, and be housed in the New City Jerusalem.
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Abraham, David, Solomon, and many, many, millions of Hebrews weren't beheaded. Are they excluded? No, they are not. I think you need to take a looong look at God's Redemptive History and not just 7 years at the end.
And correct me if I am wrong but weren't those words about reigning as priests spoken to Israel?
Yes, I am correct. God never promised Gentiles they would be "reigning as priests" or "housed in the New City Jerusalem." Those were promises and prophecies given to Israel as well.
For 1900 years after the destruction of the Temple and God began saving Gentiles that they took it upon themselves to claim an inheritance, covenants, prophecies, land - in heaven or earth - and everything God gave to His Chosen people Israel and stole it for themselves. You need to look at the Scripture and see how deeply you are infected with Gentile propaganda.
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Which Israel? Not all Israel are born again Christians. The new name the Father promised to name His bride the church
The order was changed from the tribe of Levites to the Son of man Jesus from Judah used to represent all the sects as kingdom of this world the whole world as kingdom of priest. . men and women prophets from all the nations of the world. . . spoken of in Joel.
The unbelieving Jews that were hoping thier dying flesh could profit for something complained to John the Levite. Why was a person from the tribe of judah baptising and mankind was coming to him from all the nations of the world?
John 4:1-3King James Version4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
The new kingdom of priest after the new order of Melchizedek (eternal God)
Psalm 110:3-5King James Version3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou (Jesus the son of man) art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
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