Why is there more than 1 Christian religion?

[CrowCross]

I like the way you claim I’m saying Jesus was a “mere man”. It’s a false argument tactic.stawman.

If Jesus wasn't God...then Jesus was a mere man. What else could Jesus have been?


So, yes, you are saying Jesus was a mere man

 

[CrowCross]

The real Jesus has a God. Always had, and still does.

You never did answer the question concerning the kenosis and how your statement applies...how the servant named Jesus could call the Father God....and still be God. (as well as the Holy Spirit being God)

 

[LeviR]

Besides Paul in Phillipians telling us Jesus was God the same account was presented when John told all of us The Word was God and became flesh. John doesn't go into the details of the kenosis like Paul does but expands on Jesus doing the work of God by being the creator who made all things.

So now, this means we have two accounts where jesus is God in which you have to using biblical gymnastics to distort and reason away.

Did you read the Liddell-Scott definition of morphe?

If you did, you will see the word morphe does not mean nature. The NIV is incorrect.

This means that the kenosis theory of Jesus being in “nature” of God from all eternity is false. That’s not what Paul says.

The emptying of himself has nothing to do with his nature. It simply refers to Jesus as being Messiah and King whose time had not yet come to take the Kingdom and rule over it.
He first had to die and be raised from the dead and sit with the Father until his enemies are made his footstool. And all things be given to him.
He first needed to be the suffering servant.

Paul is simply showing that Jesus was the Messiah and King of Israel who first needed to become as a slave and die.

First humbled, then exalted.

 

[CrowCross]

Did you read the Liddell-Scott definition of morphe?

If you did, you will see the word morphe does not mean nature. The NIV is incorrect.

This means that the kenosis theory of Jesus being in “nature” of God from all eternity is false. That’s not what Paul says.

The emptying of himself has nothing to do with his nature. It simply refers to Jesus as being Messiah and King whose time had not yet come to take the Kingdom and rule over it.
He first had to die and be raised from the dead and sit with the Father until his enemies are made his footstool. And all things be given to him.
He first needed to be the suffering servant.

Paul is simply showing that Jesus was the Messiah and King of Israel who first needed to become as a slave and die.

First humbled, then exalted.

The FORM of God refers to Christ Jesus real and actual existence in the Divine essence.

The word FORM used here tells us Jesus was something before he became a man...It's obvious when used with God, Jesus is God.

If the pre-existent Jesus wasn't God, the Word who became flesh...if Jesus wasn't in the form of God...the who was Jesus prior to His incarnation?

 

[Mr GLee]

Can't they understand this simple bible milk? 1Cor 1:10= Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division.

That means Jesus is with 1 single religion out of the hundreds claiming to be his.
All need to step back and LOOK.
Its easy to find the one who has Jesus-They listen to him= Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God--That means the ones taking the lead teach EVERY utterance from God to the flock=OT-NT, without fail. It NEVER stops.
If ones teacher is not doing that then you have found these-2Cor 11:12-15.
Not all is as appears in this satan ruled system.

Faith the power of God as Christ's unseen labor of love. The milk of the word is freely is given to born again. The milk of the word. . It teaches God not seen is gracious and long suffering .

No teacher no grace no power to eat the meat of the word .Our daily bread.

The food called hidden manna in Rev 2:17 The bread the Apostles knew not of at first .The food to both (the key) will and perform the good work of Christ working in us

John 4:33-35King James Version33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? 34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

 

[Mr GLee]

I have 0 to do with 99% of the religions claiming to be Christian. I follow the one that has Jesus. Jesus' 1 religion is not divided nor ever will be.

The foundation

There must be division or heresies among us as long as they do not do despite the the fulness of grace (whole cost of salvation ).

The invisible kingdom does not come be looking at the temporal, dying faithless things. Like Nicodemus and the Nicolaitans members of that sect. The call to return to the first love hear God and do the first works believe unto salvation not seen. . walking by faith .God's understanding freely given to us

Not after the false prophet, false apostle Charles Taze Russell

JWs like Catholiscim serve a law of the father. Dying mankind puffing them up above all thing writen in the law and prophet (sola scriptura) and serve thier own law from their own mouth . Charles Taze Russell the chief false prophet . JWs Pope. bringing false prophecy "oral traditons of dying mankind"

Many say I did good works in His name and cast out demons. He replies I never knew you that work iniquity like that of Nicodenmus and some of the Nicolaitans. . followers. Looking to the dying flesh which Jesus said profits for zero. No power

 

[CrowCross]

A word thrown around by men with 0 meaning behind it. Men who live in darkness.

Kenosis is in the bible. You do know that?

 

[Arial]

A word thrown around by men with 0 meaning behind it. Men who live in darkness.

All words have meaning. If they didn't they would be useless.

 

[Fred]

The JW,s did not false prophesy--Those are words of apostates. What they did in reality is err by trying to put a date on a real prophecy that God made. They have repented of that.

Where did they ever write that they were sorry?

 

[Mr GLee]

The JW,s did not false prophesy--Those are words of apostates. What they did in reality is err by trying to put a date on a real prophecy that God made. They have repented of that.

Hi Thanks. .

Christians, the elect sons of God born again believers will not be deceived by false apostles sent with false prophecy oral tradition of dying mankind like Mr. Russel or the Pope . They refuse to obey the warning not to add or subtract from sola scriptura . Therefore destroying the integrity of the living word.

1 Corinthians 13: 8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

They were warned beforehand hand. Today we have the perfect (sola scriptura) no laws missing by which we could know him more intimately or adequately.

Mathew 24: 21-26 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 

[Keiw1]

Where did they ever write that they were sorry?

They are dead and have paid in full the wages of sin. Repenting by stopping doing something is what God requires. {edit}

 

[Keiw1]

So if I keep beating up someone over a span of many years and then realize I shouldn't be doing this all I have to do is stop and not say sorry one time to the other person?

God had his reasons for allowing those things. It rooted out the fakes for one thing.

 

[Alive]

Please read the rules, folks. Keep it to topic and not personal.

 

[atpollard]

I would suggest it better to know the same one God Jesus knows as his God. His God is not a Trinity.
Jesus doesn’t know of a Trinity god.

Jesus claimed to be the SON OF MAN from Daniel. What does scripture say about the Son of Man in Daniel?
Scripture says salvation is found only in GOD (the ONE TRUE GOD) and Jesus claimed that salvation was found in Him (do the math).

Jesus did not “know” a triune God, Jesus claimed to BE THE ONE TRUE GOD (that is why they kept trying to stone Him - they did not believe His claim just as many still do not believe His claim).

 

[Mr GLee]

They are dead and have paid in full the wages of sin. Repenting by stopping doing something is what God requires. {edit}

God is not served by the dying hands of mankind . He has no needs but satisfies all of his own( .Acts 17) He performs that in us which he appoints to us. Yoked with his labor of love our daily burden can be lighter.

Christ does the work of repenting giving us both the power of our first love, hear his voice, empowering the believe and do the first works believe God not seen

The full wage of sin is to die and never rise to new spirit life. Flesh returns to dust spirit return to the father of all spirit life.

Ecclesiastes 12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

God does not give a remnant of Grace "partial salvation ".

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies (sects, denominations) among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

In that way there can be differences between denominations private interpretations as long as they do not do despite to the fullness of grace. Therefore denying Christ the teaching master bought them .

No grace coming from the false prophet, false apostle that add to sola scriptura , Neither CharlesTaze Russell. or the Popes A succession of dying mankind from one generation to the next.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

 

[makesends]

The nwt is a bible. Yes so does Paul-1Cor 8:5-6 where he warns that all other gods are false then names only the Father as God. And Jesus where any human on earth that can understand English for self sees Jesus taught--The one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. But most are mislead by the capitol G God to the Word at John 1:1, Its not that way in the Greek lexicons-that is 100% fact.

100% misleading post. It completely misses the point that "the Greek lexicons" shows that the definite article concerning that very God of "the word was with God" and not before the phrase, "and the word was God" still grammatically demands the same God, using the conjunction, "and", and not the, "but", or any other conjunction that would be necessary to show the difference between "the God" and "a god".

Your vehemence notwithstanding, languages are not so easily nuanced by those seeking to make a false point.

 

[Fred]

But most are mislead by the capitol G God to the Word at John 1:1, Its not that way in the Greek lexicons-that is 100% fact.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/god-alone-is-the-savior.1765/#post-79173

 

[Keiw1]

God is not served by the dying hands of mankind . He has no needs but satisfies all of his own( .Acts 17) He performs that in us which he appoints to us. Yoked with his labor of love our daily burden can be lighter.

Christ does the work of repenting giving us both the power of our first love, hear his voice, empowering the believe and do the first works believe God not seen

The full wage of sin is to die and never rise to new spirit life. Flesh returns to dust spirit return to the father of all spirit life.

Ecclesiastes 12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

God does not give a remnant of Grace "partial salvation ".

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies (sects, denominations) among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

In that way there can be differences between denominations private interpretations as long as they do not do despite to the fullness of grace. Therefore denying Christ the teaching master bought them .

No grace coming from the false prophet, false apostle that add to sola scriptura , Neither CharlesTaze Russell. or the Popes A succession of dying mankind from one generation to the next.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Revelation says souls are under the alter( symbolism)= in Gods remembrance.
The Ot is clear souls go to Sheol= the grave. Psalm 89:48
There is no literal spirit like being within mortals-The breath of life gives them life.

 

[makesends]

John 1:1 is worded the same as 2 Cor 4:4= the only 2 places in the NT where 2 beings are being called God and god. The Word got the same exact word as satan did at 2 Cor 4:4 while the true God was called a different word at both spots. So unless you can prove a Greek to English translating rule that makes the same exact word=Theos translate 2 different ways=God and god when in the same paragraph with Theon= God please share it with us. Otherwise translating is the same at both spots and in reality the Word is a god. small g god means-has godlike qualities.

Well, no, it is not worded the same as 2 Cor 4:4.

 

[Alive]

Thread is locked. We have had enough antichrist. The heresy has been apologized.
Good job, folks.