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If it is not in the bible, why do you believe?

Would God lead them to Herod who wanted Jesus dead=No.
It is rather obvious that he did 'lead' them to Herod, whether through the means of Satan's schemes, or through their own sense of courtesy, or through their pragmatism, or through whatever else was at play. See how much simpler things are when God is credited for intending evil to be used for good, and for accomplishing precisely every bit of that?
 
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Would God lead them to Herod who wanted Jesus dead=No.
Where do you read that God led them to Herod? As I mentioned in my earlier post, the star didn't lead them all the way from where they lived in the East, via Jerusalem to Bethlehem. No, we're told that after they had left Herod in Jerusalem, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, not the star which they had followed from the East.
 
Where do you read that God led them to Herod? As I mentioned in my earlier post, the star didn't lead them all the way from where they lived in the East, via Jerusalem to Bethlehem. No, we're told that after they had left Herod in Jerusalem, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, not the star which they had followed from the East.
I don't read it that way. Satan lead them to Herod by that star. Then to Jesus so they could report back to Herod who wanted Jesus dead. God intervened.
 
I don't read it that way. Satan lead them to Herod by that star. Then to Jesus so they could report back to Herod who wanted Jesus dead. God intervened.
Therefore, since you read it that way, that is the way it was? You don't see anything wrong with that mindset?
 
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This is the spin off from the Trinity thread called The elephant named Trinity

And while this is a natural tie in over there, this needs to be stand alone, IMO
From the other thread I started...

Alright boys and girls..... I think it is time for all good men to come to the aid of their party.... or better phrased to the aid of their beliefs....

All you anti-trins out there who hyperventilate that trinity believers believe such when the actual word trinity is not in the bible...

I want to start a new thread ( this one) as a carry over from my elephant named trinity one to show you that there are other omissions from the Holy Scriptures that are common beliefs among those who have a belief of YHWH God, and the one that is called His Son, Jesus, that might lead you to tell people if you were asked that your religion... your faith... is Christian.

And then tell us how you are going to back that up when.....................................................................................

Looking at these following how you are going to change the way you describe things or your talk when you cannot lead a person to a verse to prove what YOU are saying.

Not precisely just on the Trinity that you hyper-anti-trins get so bent about...but it is ... IT IS... time that a good old bruhaha ensues regarding all things commonly believed by Alleged Christians, and Practicing Christians and a Christian by any other name.

So I am going to start with a list of 3 common words that are assumed to reflect things of Christianity beliefs AND THESE ARE NOT EVEN IN THE BIBLE.


Christianity​

You have to wonder if Jesus Christ intended to start a religion when the word ‘Christianity’ doesn’t appear anywhere in the Bible.

Oh sure... you have churches described and named in the New Testament... The book of Revelation names 7.

but never once a reference that might say something about the new found they are learning about.

It was said by Dan Foster when he listed some of the words...
"the first recorded use of the term “Christianity” was actually by a character named Ignatius of Antioch — an early Christian writer and church bishop — in some letters he wrote early in the second century AD. That’s somewhere in the order of 80–100 years after the death of Christ."

Now.. I trust you are sitting down...

Try this well know word on for size then I challenge you to go to you bible and tell us where it is listed...

Another great one by Dan Foster...

Christian​

Now, technically, the word “Christian” is in the Bible, but I include it for interest’s sake because it appears much less than you might expect in the book, which gave birth to the religion. In fact, the word ‘Christian’ only appears three times in the Bible.

It turns out that the early members of the church didn’t refer to themselves as “Christians.” It was a name given to them by those outside of the faith. In fact, the term “Christian” — literally meaning “little Christs” was given somewhat flippantly or even derogatorily. It wasn’t a term of endearment. It was an insult.

Back then, you could imagine someone using the word ‘Christians’ with a dismissive wave of the hand and a roll of the eyes. Not much has changed, really.

Aside from Acts 11:26, the word “Christian” is used only two other times in the New Testament: in Acts 26:28 (by Agrippa, an unbelieving King who applied the name he knew as an outsider) and 1 Peter 4:16 in the context of enduring all the suffering associated with the title.

Okay... Christian really does not count cause even a single mention would make the cut..... but depending on your view
another well known and generally accepted term not mentioned in the bible is Rapture.

Satan Was Once Lucifer​

The fall of Satan from heaven has become deeply entrenched in Christian thought, but the origins of the Devil are not found anywhere in the Bible. In fact, Satan is not even used as a proper name in the Old Testament. Instead, the Hebrew ha satan is a title meaning simply “the adversary.” The Devil is not truly named and Hell not really described until the New Testament.

The Seven Archangels​

Christian bookstores and blogs are both full of information about the various archangels. Most writings claim that there are seven, but which angels make the cut varies between authors. This popular belief in seven archangels is not Biblically based. The only angel every described as an archangel in the canonical Bible is Michael. The other so-called archangels are never labeled as such. Frankly, some of the angels commonly listed as archangels are never named in the Bible at all much less described as archangels.

For any Catholics reading this....

Praying to Saint Mary​

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Some Christians find solace in praying to Mother Mary for their intercessions, along with other saints. The Bible does not explicitly command or suggest that people should pray to them for help or forgiveness.

Taking Personal Time Daily for Prayer​

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While some personal time with the Lord is encouraged in the Bible’s teaching, there is no amount of outline of the personal time that a Christian should put aside to speak to God in the Bible. Having children say prayers at night is something that has just become a tradition.

Sunday is the Sabbath​

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While some people believe that Sunday is a day of Sabbath, that is not the teaching of the Bible. The Bible does not talk about observing Sunday as a day of worship. It does talk about Saturday as the day of rest and worship and designates it as the Sabbath.

I am going to stop due to length and simply say there are a vast number of things that are considered to be Christian
but not found in the bible.

Even​


The Idea of Three Wise Men​

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The nativity scene often includes three wise men, but the Bible mentions “wise men” without specifying a number. This detail has been added through tradition rather than biblical text.

hat does not mean they are necessarily wrong. It only means that if it is sound doctrine then it should be believed.

But at no time should someone be challenged in a vitriol way because beliefs don't line up.

So what else is there that we dont have in the Bible?
Did anyone mention the fact that the word Bible is not found in the Bible?
 
I don't read it that way. Satan lead them to Herod by that star. Then to Jesus so they could report back to Herod who wanted Jesus dead. God intervened.
So as I understand it, you are now saying that not only did the wise men follow the star from their home in the East to Jerusalem (which the bible does not say), but that the star was sent by Satan to lead them to Herod (which the bible also does not say). What does the bible say about the star? Only that the wise men said to Herod:

“Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him."
(Mt 2:2 NKJV)

and then that they rejoiced when, having left Herod, the star led them to Jesus in Bethlehem:

“9 ¶ When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy.” (Mt 2:9-10 NKJV)
 
Would God lead them to Herod who wanted Jesus dead=No.
It has to do with how the word East is used as a beginning. or Genesis

The east is a symbol used as a metaphor in parables . East representing new beginnings, God's presence, His power over nations:

Genesis 3:24, God placed cherubim and a flaming sword on the east side of the Garden of Eden to guard the way to the Tree of Life. It would seem to symbolize that the original journey began in the east.

The second coming of Christ

Matthew 24:27, Jesus says that the Son of Man will come from the east. going out to the four corners all the world

God's judgment

Ezekiel 25:4 and 25:10, the prophet speaks of judgment coming from the east against the Ammonites.

The children of the east refers to nations east of Palestine, The wise men who visited Jesus were also from the east.
 
Did anyone mention the fact that the word Bible is not found in the Bible?
Well, that's surely no problem. Other English words which we use to mean the same as "bible", like Word of God and Scripture, are indeed in the bible.
 
Did anyone mention the fact that the word Bible is not found in the Bible?
Me...... many times... Is why I usually say in the Holy words, or scriptures rather then bible.

But others just ignore......
 
Me...... many times... Is why I usually say in the Holy words, or scriptures rather then bible.

But others just ignore......
Sorry, I only put in the word 'bible' in my word search, not it's synonyms.
BTW, 'holy words' and 'scriptures' are in our Scriptures.
 
Me...... many times... Is why I usually say in the Holy words, or scriptures rather then bible.

But others just ignore......
Or a mix of all.

Unbelievers are more prone to avoid the word bible. they hate it . they call believers bible thumpers .And not scripture thumper, holy word thumpers They would seem. . not so common .
 
Sorry, I only put in the word 'bible' in my word search, not it's synonyms.
BTW, 'holy words' and 'scriptures' are in our Scriptures.

Hi I would offer.

Word searched from where ? Webster? Or words found in the bible written by the finger of Christ. . giving light that reveals the unseen eternal things of faith The unseen "Let there be" power of Christ that works in believers giving them comfort. The bible, book of law is sealed book .Adding or subtracting. . things can get darker.
 
Well, that's surely no problem. Other English words which we use to mean the same as "bible", like Word of God and Scripture, are indeed in the bible.
Sure, that can hold true to the other words in the OP as well as the word 'trinity'. My only point is 'what's good for the goose is good for the gander'.
 
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