Apparently, you are not listening to me telling you not to even take my word for it but seek confirmation from the Lord Jesus Christ for He is to be your personal Good Shepherd and not me or anyone else. That is why we, individually, are to prove all things by Him & His words.
There are false apostles and false teachers too.Because God, in HIS wisdom appointed teachers. Anyone who thinks they can pick up a Bible and simply read it to understand what it all means without reference to culture, history or language is a chump. What you are saying is no different to what the Latter Day Saints say. God may as well be a "Wendy and sprinkle fairy dust on us all and we can all fly away to heaven".
Ephesians 4:11
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
Hard to understand what you mean per your comment.
You cannot see yours?
Hey! God wrote the Bible to ONLY YOU! Humble you.
The problem must be me, right? I cannot possibly have understood you were including yourself in the repeatedly other-poster-ragging insinuations because I'm not listening in a text-based medium.
Write it in Shakespearean English.... I think will communicate to him.
Get back in your lane.
Tell the other guy(s). They've been insinuating their own special insights over one another in and out of several pages and there's not an op-relevant word since the bottom half Post #446 (that is two dozen posts and only one singled out).
Is that any of your business?
So? You would throw out the fact that God has appointed teachers to teach the body of Christ? Instead you would rely on yourself to determine what is right even though, if they are doing their job as unto the Lord, they have been equipped and gifted by the Lord God Himself to dig out the treasures that are hidden in the scriptures. James said not many of you should become teachers (Jm.3:1) but your version is no-one should be teachers because we don't need them.
Do you even see how that looks? (based on your understanding)
It has nothing to do with my being or not being a staff member.
Yes......
. I could max out two, maybe three more posts with more. There are at least two occasions where the thread got off track for more than an entire page before this current occasion. Lest anyone get the wrong impression, I'm not judging anyone; I'm making some objective observations and asking you to consider them for yourselves because comments like, "Funny how I was reading it as is with His help, while you guys were going off to commentaries and education of others for reading His words," and "Hey! God wrote the Bible to ONLY YOU! Humble you," do not help anyone prove their position. It is well within my "lane" to observe what all can see. Anyone who doesn't like it can comment according or ignore it but only one of those two options will help get the thread back on topic.. In fact, if this sort of nonsense is going to be allowed by all then maybe I'll do something like this in all the threads. Just let me know.
Sir.... You start your own thread... You can even cop the Title with a slight modification to differentiate.
God didn't plan for the Fall, and yes, he knew it would happen, as Jesus stated in Luke 14:28 about building a house: "For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it." Of course counting the cost is more than just finances. When building, you look at every facet, make sure there aren't any flaws, and if there are flaws, you make sure to fix it.
It is not up to you to try and force everyone to your will and create off topic posts about being off topic if it is not your thread. The OP can do that if he desires. If it is not bothering him, why should it bother you? If you want to post on topic, then do so, and engage with those who are on topic.It has nothing to do with my being or not being a staff member.
Yes......
.....and you two are adding to the problem to be solved!
What is the subject of this op? The title says we're supposed to be discussing the answer to the question, "Why did God plan for the fall of man?"
Because if the subject of this thread is not who has been more especially endowed with insight from God and who's better than others then maybe we could all get back on topic.
Which of these comments (or questions) is op-relevant?
- Young earth creationists will not be able to follow what I have to say unless they are willing to drop their bias.
- There you go... Shut closed and slammed tight.
- Are you ready for possible answers, or wanting to shoot everything down?
- Is that how you test things? Or, to keep anything you do not understand, out?
- Do you have the needed knowledge with understanding of doctrine if I do? My vote is that you don't.
- And seem to have a surplus of shot gun shells laying a round that you have nothing better to do with.
- You do not give me the impression that would I want to dialogue with you unless the sheriff is in the crowd.
- Then you know better than to make this discussion about you OR me (or any poster). I could be the most knowledgeable person in the entire history of humanity and my questions still be valid, veracious, and warrant op-relevant answers. I could, alternatively, be the person most ignorant on this topic who has ever lived, and these comments and inquiries would still be valid, veracious, and warrant topical responses.
- If some would calm down here...
- I think I found what was confusing you. You must be confusing __________________________
- Now if you cannot see this? Fine. Others will see it.
- You ask for chapter and verse to spell it out for you? So you do not have to think and figure out what is needed? Here is the problem. I can not solve it for you. You can only solve it by gaining more and more knowledge for yourself before all else.
- I can recommend a good teacher that can teach you more knowledge than you would know what to do with unless that knowledge is needed for an answer to a problem. But? Do you want it? Its free for the asking. That is God's way of raising up a genuine teacher.
- The holes you speak of may simply be truths you have not yet learned to be able to be thinking with.
- It takes gaining more and more knowledge of God's Word. Gained for the love of learning God's Word.
- We need to overcome our deficiency preventing insight by gaining more and more knowledge.
- You are asking the wrong god. You want God with a big "G". It's a common mistake.
- Why are you afraid to let me talk?
- The better question is why are you afraid to talk about the op and keep every word you post about the op?
- The very thing that gets me into trouble with some who want what was discerned by insight to have its own chapter to show the insight. Then the term "speculation" is bantered about and the insight is lost to the one who needed to consider.
- Do you have insight as to why she added to the command? There is a reason for me asking that. For I believe its been the major area of why somethings I say causes the negative reaction I have been getting.
- You did not like what I said. Understood.
- You are just not following.
- You got to get yourself out of that box of only speak about "God."
Which one's were necessary to prove the op (or any alternative)? How many are not ad hominem in nature (blatant, implied, or insinuated)?
Those are from just the first five pages. A couple of them are mine
But maybe I misunderstand. If this is what everyone wants, then just say so because I can post non sequitur and fallacy ad nauseam and take this thread far afield
The point I was making was, that you were not going to the Lord to confirm the word that you got from your teachers/pastors. You accepted everything at face value because you trusted in him and his education at face value.So? You would throw out the fact that God has appointed teachers to teach the body of Christ? Instead you would rely on yourself to determine what is right even though, if they are doing their job as unto the Lord, they have been equipped and gifted by the Lord God Himself to dig out the treasures that are hidden in the scriptures. James said not many of you should become teachers (Jm.3:1) but your version is no-one should be teachers because we don't need them.
Hope I'm not in ear shot when you tell the Lord He messed up by appointing teachers on the Big Day.
When I share scripture about how each believer, including you, have the Unction from the Holy One to teach you all things and that no lie can be of the truth and how one can seek wisdom from the Lord at any time when something is not aligning in scripture whether it be towards a Christian teaching or some "fact" being presented by that false science, the evolution theory.Do you even see how that looks? (based on your understanding)
You sit there in prayer and an idea of what the scripture means comes into your head. It must be the Spirit because, according to you, that is how it works. Now how do you prove the idea is indeed the truth because your source/method is always in the same manner?
At least if my pastor says something I can verify it against other teachers of God's word as well as all the academic teaching of the various disciplines.
The only word you have is your word it is God's word. This is exactly what they do who start cults. They have a "revelation" and it aligns with a few scriptures they know and suddenly they have a whole religion going. They ignore other relevant scriptures (like God appointing teachers) to justify their ignorance and persistence in wrong doing.
I can only pray you will have the eyes of your heart enlightened.
That was your assumption. If one is not filled with the Spirit, one cannot comprehend spiritual matters.
