Why Did God Plan for the Fall of Man?

[ChristB4us]

Depends on translation.

Some translate that verse as the following (or similar) which gives a different meaning, reading that both man and behemoths are created by God not necessarily at the same time.

RSV Job;40:15
“Behold, Be′hemoth, which I made as I made you; he eats grass like an ox.

The point of referring to the behemoth in according to this ill applied translation is found wanting for then how would Job had known about its existence seeing how in according to the evolution theory, man has never set eyes upon it? And we cannot say he had seen fossils of the creature when God was describing it as a living thing that eats and referenced it as placed in the world of man by citing the river Jordan.

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. 17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. 19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. 20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. 21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. 22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. 23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. 24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

 

[ChristB4us]

I had the Leviathan in the next chapter in mind.

Chapter 40 is about a hippo. They are fierce and huge animals.

A hippo sways his tail like a cedar... And, is a herbivore.

A cedar is a tree and so hardly a hippo. an elephant, or an alligator as these errant footnotes even in the KJV would suggest.

There is no point referring to this swaying as a tree unless the tail was as big as a tree.

40:15 “Look at Behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength it has in its loins, what power in the muscles of its belly!
17 Its tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.

Your Bible version obscures the truth in the latter part of verse 17 about his stones ( sexual organs ) wrapped in sinews. The KJV has it as:

17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
There is no way they can get "thighs" from stones. At this link is:
King James Bible With Strongs Dictionary

From the Hebrew "pachad" we see in English the meaning as defined as "testicles".

Science in the last decade, had only recently discovered that the sexual organs of the dinosaurs are internal but the Bible already knew about. it in regards to the behemoth.

 

[GeneZ]

The point of referring to the behemoth in according to this ill applied translation is found wanting for then how would Job had known about its existence seeing how in according to the evolution theory, man has never set eyes upon it? And we cannot say he had seen fossils of the creature when God was describing it as a living thing that eats and referenced it as placed in the world of man by citing the river Jordan.

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. 17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. 19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. 20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. 21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. 22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. 23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. 24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

That speaks of a creature that spends lots of time in water.

The hippo is a perfect fit!

Job 40:15-23
New International Version
15 “Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17 Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.
18 Its bones are tubes of bronze,
its limbs like rods of iron.
19 It ranks first among the works of God,
yet its Maker can approach it with his sword.
20 The hills bring it their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.
21 Under the lotus plants it lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.
22 The lotuses conceal it in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround it.
23 A raging river does not alarm it;
it is secure, though the Jordan should surge against its mouth.

 

[sawdust]

17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
There is no way they can get "thighs" from stones. At this link is:
King James Bible With Strongs Dictionary

You own link says behemoth is a hippo.

 

[ChristB4us]

That speaks of a creature that spends lots of time in water.

The hippo is a perfect fit!

Job 40:15-23
New International Version
15 “Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17 Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.
18 Its bones are tubes of bronze,
its limbs like rods of iron.
19 It ranks first among the works of God,
yet its Maker can approach it with his sword.
20 The hills bring it their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.
21 Under the lotus plants it lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.
22 The lotuses conceal it in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround it.
23 A raging river does not alarm it;
it is secure, though the Jordan should surge against its mouth.

You can cling to that Bible version but you would be wrong.

 

[ChristB4us]

You own link says behemoth is a hippo.

That goes to show why and how the evolution theory has tainted the minds of biblical scholars because they cannot believe the description given is a dinosaur. Did you note the other possibility at Strong's Concordance as being a horse? Blind they are, on the behemoth.

Read the scriptures as it is written in the KJV and I have given enough posts to show why it cannot be a hippo or an alligator, or an elephant.

I can accept that you will follow the crowd on this for why I will not argue the truth to you about it. Either Jesus helps you see the truth in His words or you go elsewhere to see the behemoth as anything else but a dinosaur.

 

[sawdust]

That goes to show why and how the evolution theory has tainted the minds of biblical scholars because they cannot believe the description given is a dinosaur. Did you note the other possibility at Strong's Concordance as being a horse? Blind they are, on the behemoth.

If I cannot believe that then why should I believe anything else you point to on that web site? You seem to have missed the point there.

Read the scriptures as it is written in the KJV and I have given enough posts to show why it cannot be a hippo or an alligator, or an elephant.

No thanks, I'd rather listen to my pastor who teaches from the original languages.

I can accept that you will follow the crowd on this for why I will not argue the truth to you about it. Either Jesus helps you see the truth in His words or you go elsewhere to see the behemoth as anything else but a dinosaur.

If "following the crowd" in this instance means applying critical thinking, then yeah, guess I'm gonna follow the crowd.

have a nice day.

ps. You should know, your KJV mates transliterated the word because they didn't know what creature the scriptures were referring to.

 

[GeneZ]

A cedar is a tree and so hardly a hippo. an elephant, or an alligator as these errant footnotes even in the KJV would suggest.

There is no point referring to this swaying as a tree unless the tail was as big as a tree.

Your Bible version obscures the truth in the latter part of verse 17 about his stones ( sexual organs ) wrapped in sinews. The KJV has it as:

17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
There is no way they can get "thighs" from stones. At this link is:
King James Bible With Strongs Dictionary

From the Hebrew "pachad" we see in English the meaning as defined as "testicles".

Science in the last decade, had only recently discovered that the sexual organs of the dinosaurs are internal but the Bible already knew about. it in regards to the behemoth.

Hippos have internalized testicles and male genitalia.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/highly-mobile-testicles-frustrate-effort-to-calm-hippos-in-captivity/#:~:text=Unlike%20humans%2C%20hippos'%20testicles%20are,widely%2C%20sometimes%20minute%20by%20minute.

 

[sawdust]

Hippos have internalized testicles and male genitalia.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/highly-mobile-testicles-frustrate-effort-to-calm-hippos-in-captivity/#:~:text=Unlike%20humans%2C%20hippos'%20testicles%20are,widely%2C%20sometimes%20minute%20by%20minute.

Wow did not know that. There are some amazing facts about animal biology and how it differs to ours. You have to love our Creator with such a diverse imagination.

 

[GeneZ]

Wow did not know that. There are some amazing facts about animal biology and how it differs to ours. You have to love our Creator with such a diverse imagination.

He also loves to trip up know it all's...

He always knew that video would be used.

 

[ChristB4us]

If I cannot believe that then why should I believe anything else you point to on that web site? You seem to have missed the point there.

My point is read the scripture as it is written without wearing the spectacles of any thing else to read it by & I see a dinosaur.

No thanks, I'd rather listen to my pastor who teaches from the original languages.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

You are to prove all things with the help of Jesus Christ and not follow your pastor blindly as he human and can be led astray.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us.

Paul did not say for us to prove all things by going to our pastor, but to rely on Jesus Christ to show us the truth in His words.

If "following the crowd" in this instance means applying critical thinking, then yeah, guess I'm gonna follow the crowd.

Following the crowd usually involve taking everything at face value and hardly involving critical thinking at all, let alone relying on Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd for wisdom & discernment in the reading of His words in the KJV.

You already admit to following your pastor and relying on his knowledge of the original language and so that to me, is following the crowd.

have a nice day.

ps. You should know, your KJV mates transliterated the word because they didn't know what creature the scriptures were referring to.

God described the creature behemoth as having a tail like a cedar which is a tree and his sexual organs were internal in Job 40:17 long before modern science found out about that regarding the dinosaurs.

So go ask Jesus in prayer today and expect an answer.

 

[GeneZ]

My point is read the scripture as it is written without wearing the spectacles of any thing else to read it by & I see a dinosaur.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

You are to prove all things with the help of Jesus Christ and not follow your pastor blindly as he human and can be led astray.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us.

Paul did not say for us to prove all things by going to our pastor, but to rely on Jesus Christ to show us the truth in His words.

Following the crowd usually involve taking everything at face value and hardly involving critical thinking at all, let alone relying on Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd for wisdom & discernment in the reading of His words in the KJV.

You already admit to following your pastor and relying on his knowledge of the original language and so that to me, is following the crowd.

God described the creature behemoth as having a tail like a cedar which is a tree and his sexual organs were internal in Job 40:17 long before modern science found out about that regarding the dinosaurs.

So go ask Jesus in prayer today and expect an answer.

Whenever I try to read the KJV is see a dinosaur.

 

[ChristB4us]

Hippos have internalized testicles and male genitalia.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/highly-mobile-testicles-frustrate-effort-to-calm-hippos-in-captivity/#:~:text=Unlike%20humans%2C%20hippos'%20testicles%20are,widely%2C%20sometimes%20minute%20by%20minute.

But not a tail like a cedar which is a tree which to me, testify to the size and thus the length of the tail.

Job 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

 

[GeneZ]

But not a tail like a cedar which is a tree which to me, testify to the size and thus the length of the tail.

Job 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

Read what it says! He moves his tail like a cedar..
Not his tail is like a cedar.

 

[ChristB4us]

Whenever I try to read the KJV is see a dinosaur.

From what God described the behemoth as and by His help reading it plainly as, is a dinosaur to me without errant footnotes getting in the way of it.

 

[GeneZ]

Job 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

 

[ChristB4us]

Read what it says! He moves his tail like a cedar..
Not his tail is like a cedar.

Have you seen Jurassic Park in how that biggest one, the plant eater, sways its tail which is as long as a tree and thus like a tree that sways in the wind?

If still in doubt, why refer to a tree? There are wheats in the field swaying in the wind, right? Surely God would refer to something else in appropriate size if referring to just how the tail moves.

And why refer to the behemoth to make the point of him being made with man? Because God knew believers will need His words to see that truth that there was no life and no earth and no heavens before creation week?

If the heavens were created that fourth day then how can there be a pre-existing earth with no solar system or universe at all?

And yet Genesis 2:1-3 testified how everything was created for why God rested that 7 th day.

 

[ChristB4us]

Hardly worth mentioning a tree for that.

 

[GeneZ]

Have you seen Jurassic Park in how that biggest one, the plant eater, sways its tail which is as long as a tree and thus like a tree that sways in the wind?

Did you see in the video how rapid the cedar moves? Like a hippo's tail.

But, a big cumbersome dinosaur long tail? That could never move so quickly.

 

[sawdust]

My point is read the scripture as it is written without wearing the spectacles of any thing else to read it by & I see a dinosaur.

I do and I see a hippo.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

Yes because they were taught by one appointed to teach them just as God has appointed shepherd/teachers to teach us today. If they do their job properly, study and teach and don't get distracted by unnecessary ministries for which they are not appointed, the whole body would be a lot better off.

Following the crowd usually involve taking everything at face value and hardly involving critical thinking at all, let alone relying on Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd for wisdom & discernment in the reading of His words in the KJV.

You already admit to following your pastor and relying on his knowledge of the original language and so that to me, is following the crowd.

ROFL He's one person, how is he a crowd? And what gives you the right to tell me how I'm to live my life? You are relying solely on your knowledge of the word, how does that make you any different? Such hypocrisy!

God described the creature behemoth as having a tail like a cedar which is a tree and his sexual organs were internal in Job 40:17 long before modern science found out about that regarding the dinosaurs.

And you were shown how hippos have the same internal testicles and if you bothered to look up how a cedar tree shakes in the wind and how a hippo shakes its tail you would see the similarities.

So go ask Jesus in prayer today and expect an answer.

I'd rather spend the time in study where I might actually learn something rather than expecting Jesus to download information straight to my brain.

I'm done with your foolishness. Have a nice day.