Who are God's chosen People?

[Mr GLee]

I must have missed it (even though I read that post thrice). Would you please tell me where the words "chosen people" are found in that post? Thanks

Thanks

God is not a racist

I would compare "chosen people" to 1 Peter 2 "chosen generation" etc

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

 

[Mr GLee]

Those who have had near death experiences say there is colors there we have never seen before.
I think the angels are physical...with other characteristics.
Will there be sin in heaven? At one time there was. Will it still be possible to sin? Probably, but I don't think Christ followers from earth will sin.
Will there be technology? I think there is.

I would offer.

When the ministry of two began (no ministry of one). After the Father sent the Son of man Jesus an apostle as a scapegoat in the desert. Jesus was given a near death experience (40 days without food)

Then spirit of lying signs and wonders, wonders Satan began the "guessing game" (if you are Son of God ?) Hoping to tempt the right human, to trust his lying signs to wonder, wonder, marvel after as if true prophecy (sola scriptura) as it is powerfully written

Lucifer the glory robber is not subject to the gospel truth, the spiritual understanding. bringing lying wonders into the weakened mind of Jesus lying wonderful visons of false glory.. . . giving the illusion coming from without of body

Three times with three denoting the end of a matter. The Father gave powerful words to his prophet apostle Jesus the Son of man. As it is written "let there be it "again and again . Strike three struck him out never saw it comings.

Matthew 4:1-7Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.;And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.;And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.;But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.;Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.;Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Colossian 2 seems to add to the witness as it is written. Warning to shadow worshippers

Colossians 2:17-1917These things are only a shadow of what was to come. But Christ is real! Don't be cheated by people who make a show of acting humble and who worship angels. brag about seeing visions. But it is all nonsense, because their minds are filled with selfish desires. They are no longer part of Christ, who is the head of the whole body. Christ gives the body its strength, and he uses its joints and muscles to hold it together, as it grows by the power of God.

The law not to add or subtract from as it as it is powerfully written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura ) It is sealed with 7 seals until the last day under the Sun.

 

[Josheb]

God is not a racist

Non sequitur

 

[Josheb]

I already told you that, you rejected it, so be it.

Hmmm... more unnecessary defensiveness. Perhaps telling me was intended, but there is no explanation for how the nation of Israel was temporarily God's people in this thread or possessed temporary election, and if there is then a more appropriate response is "Read post ##." I cannot reject what does not exist, so please stop the gaslighting and just stick to the topic, the identity of God's chosen people. I went back and re-read your posts. Posts 20, 24, 28, and 37 are the only posts of yours containing the words "nation," "election" or "temporary" in reference to Israel. Post 42 reasserts the point needing explanation. These posts do not prove or explain the nation of Israel was temporarily God's chosen people, and they definitely do not explain the implications two (or more chosen/elected people exist. I asked several questions but because of the difficulty getting answers I've reduced my inquiries to only one:

How did you reach the position the nation of Israel was temporarily God's chosen people?

Go back and re-read them yourself and ask yourself as objectively as you can whether or not you would be persuaded by those four posts. I am not the only poster here who wonders about this. One poster thought perhaps a mistake had been made and "temporal" was intended rather than "temporary."

 

[Mr GLee]

Non sequitur

Why?

 

[Josheb]

Why?

Because I'm not saying, implying, insinuating or suggesting in any way that God is racist. The idea He is racist does not logically follow anything posted. In point of fact, multiple posters, including myself, have reported there is no ethnicity in Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

Hmmm... more unnecessary defensiveness. Perhaps telling me was intended, but there is no explanation for how the nation of Israel was temporarily God's people in this thread, and if there is then a more appropriate response is "Read post ##." Post 42 reasserts the point needing explanation. I cannot reject what does not exist, so please stop the gaslighting and just stick to the topic, the identity of God's chosen people. I went back and re-read your posts. Posts 20, 24, 28, and 37 are the only posts of yours containing the words "nation," "election" or "temporary" in reference to Israel. They do not prove or explain the nation of Israel was temporarily God's chosen people. Go back and re-read them yourself and ask yourself as objectively as you can whether or not you would be persuaded by those four posts. I am not the only poster here who wonders about this. One poster thought perhaps a mistake had been made and "temporal" was intended rather than "temporary."

If i already told you, then i already told you. You need to slow your roll and read carefully

 

[makesends]

God is not a racist

Red Herring

Is it racism for the Creator to choose to particularly care for the progeny of someone he chose for the purpose of producing that progeny? Does not God own us all, and have every right to do as he pleases with us? Why speak of racism in this context?

 

[Josheb]

If i already told you, then i already told you.

If you did not already tell me then you did not already tell me.

You need to slow your roll and read carefully

I just got done telling you I searched every single one of your posts three times and there is NOTHING explaining how the position the nation of Israel was temporarily God's chosen people was reached. I've given the benefit of the doubt and assumed Post #60 was an honest mistake, written thinking perhaps the explanation had been posted when it has not. The proof is in the posts, so if there is a post containing the asked-for explanation then it is markedly more effective to simply point out the post so I can read it, verify the existence of the explanation, and consider the explanation for its veracity. None of that has happened. I checked. Thrice! The alternative to this being an unintended mistake is that you know there's been no explanation and are lying when claiming there is.

• An unintentional mistake was committed; there is no explanation and one can be provided.
• Josh missed the post, but I can steer him to it in goodwill and the discussion will move forward.
• Josh missed the post, and I can steer him to it in goodwill but refuse to do so.
• There is no post and the claim there is knowingly dishonest.

Those are the only four options.

 

[Eleanor]

To what do you think people are referring when they ask, "Who are God's chosen people?" Is there some other chosenness in mind beside salvation?

I think some see them as chosen for a separate destiny, making two peoples of God, contrary to apostolic teaching of one olive tree of God's people composed of all believers, Jew and Gentile (Ro 11:17-23).

 

[brightfame52]

If you did not already tell me then you did not already tell me.

I just got done telling you I searched every single one of your posts three times and there is NOTHING explaining how the position the nation of Israel was temporarily God's chosen people was reached. I've given the benefit of the doubt and assumed Post #60 was an honest mistake, written thinking perhaps the explanation had been posted when it has not. The proof is in the posts, so if there is a post containing the asked-for explanation then it is markedly more effective to simply point out the post so I can read it, verify the existence of the explanation, and consider the explanation for its veracity. None of that has happened. I checked. Thrice! The alternative to this being an unintended mistake is that you know there's been no explanation and are lying when claiming there is.

• An unintentional mistake was committed; there is no explanation and one can be provided.
• Josh missed the post, but I can steer him to it in goodwill and the discussion will move forward.
• Josh missed the post, and I can steer him to it in goodwill but refuse to do so.
• There is no post and the claim there is knowingly dishonest.

Those are the only four options.

The Nation of Israel is no longer a Covenant Nation with God that had stewardship of the Gospel, it was used of God for a while until Jesus was born, after that God destroyed it 70 ad and the stewardship of the Gospel, the things of God belong to Abrahams Spiritual Seed through Christ the Church, in fact the Spiritual things have always been for the benefit of the Church, Spiritual Israel within national israel Rom 9:6

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all[spiritual elect] Israel, which are of[National] Israel:

Spiritual Israel is that Nation Jesus mentions here Matt 21:43

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you[National israel], and given to a nation[Spiritual Israel that includes gentiles] bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Its the Israel of God Gal 6:16

16;And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

The current state of israel over in the middle east, is no more than any other heathen gentile nation now. They over there are being saved like any other of Gods elect from any other nation, during the time of the Gentiles.

 

[brightfame52]

Commentary on Matt 21:43 that is sound:

Mat 21:43 (KJB)

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Based upon what Jesus had just told them in the previous verses, their rebellion has finally hit its zenith and it will result in the Kingdom of God being taken from them, that is, no longer would they be the representatives of God on earth but it will be given to a nation that will bring forth the fruits. The word “nation” in the Greek is the word “ethnei” which carries with it the meaning of “Gentiles.” This is a prophecy that the kingdom of God is now going to go to all the Gentile nations of the world and they will bring forth the fruit of other Christians through evangelism. (John 15:8 KJV) Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. It is also interesting that the word “ethnei” is also in the singular which means the truth is going to be given to only one nation and that is not a political nation but a spiritual nation.

That nation is the body of Christ worldwide which is considered one nation. The prophecy in this verse will shortly be fulfilled as Pentecost will begin world evangelism. Another interesting fact is the words “shall be taken” is in the future tense, indicative mood, and passive voice. This means that sometime in the future a definite action of the removal of the Kingdom of God will take place. In the passive mood it means that it will be taken from them by an outside source which is God Himself. No longer would Israel be the representative of God on earth, no matter how the prophecy preachers of today try to make the modern Israel a fulfillment of Scripture. Jesus says the Kingdom of God will be taken from them. Then in like fashion the word “given” is also in the Future Indicative Passive. This means that the body of believers will be given the Kingdom of God in the future and it will definitely happen because Indicative mood means a definite action and it will be passive, that is, it will be placed upon those whom God has chosen to save.

The prophecy pundits keep harping on something they have named “replacement theology.” That is the teaching that the church has replaced Israel and no longer will God be using them or working with them. Well Jesus is God and in this verse He tells them that the Kingdom of God will be taken from them and given to another nation which we saw as the worldwide body of believers. Yes, it is a biblical fact that Israel was replaced with the church, that is, the body of believers worldwide which includes saved Jews. So it is not some type of evil teaching but it is a biblical teaching from the mouth of Jesus Himself.

Matthew 21:41-46

 

[Mr GLee]

Red Herring

Is it racism for the Creator to choose to particularly care for the progeny of someone he chose for the purpose of producing that progeny? Does not God own us all, and have every right to do as he pleases with us? Why speak of racism in this context?

Hi Thanks

I would think God as Eternal Holy Spirit remains without the progeny descent, lineage, family, ancestry,

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

All Christian's as believers are sons of God the church the priesthood male and female

The family of God began with the martyr born again Abel the second born. He was used to represent "dying mankind must be born again" principle God replaced him with another second born to represent the spiritual seed Christ "Enos". After the second time born again mankind becan to call on high

That seed (Christ) was passed on to Abraham a second born fulfilled at the birth of the Son of man God's first born son

Genisis 4:25;26 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

Having nothing to do with the dying flesh of a Jew or gentile. God is not dying mankind

Romans 2:28For he is not a (born again ) Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a (born again) Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;(death) whose praise is not of men, but of God.

It would seem a few tried to get in with a Jewish DNA card as if dying flesh could profits for something?

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

[Eleanor]

The Nation of Israel is no longer a Covenant Nation with God that had stewardship of the Gospel,

Where do we find this "stewardship of the Gospel" in the OT?

it was used of God for a while until Jesus was born, after that God destroyed it 70 ad and the stewardship of the Gospel, the things of God belong to Abrahams Spiritual Seed through Christ the Church, in fact the Spiritual things have always been for the benefit of the Church, Spiritual Israel within national israel Rom 9:6

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all[spiritual elect] Israel, which are of[National] Israel:

Spiritual Israel is that Nation Jesus mentions here Matt 21:43

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you[National israel], and given to a nation[Spiritual Israel that includes gentiles] bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Its the Israel of God Gal 6:16

16;And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

The current state of israel over in the middle east, is no more than any other heathen gentile nation now. They over there are being saved like any other of Gods elect from any other nation, during the time of the Gentiles.

 

[brightfame52]

Where do we find this "stewardship of the Gospel" in the OT?

What kind of question is that ? Rom 9:4

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; [The promises pertain to the Gospel]
Rom 3:2

Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

The Prophets were from National Israel Isa 53

Jesus testified that the scriptures they had were about Him Jn 5:39

39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Abraham had the Gospel Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

1 Pet 1:10-12

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

 

[makesends]

in fact the Spiritual things have always been for the benefit of the Church, Spiritual Israel within national israel Rom 9:6

Not that I'm surprised to hear this kind of thing from you, but, what??? --Spiritual Israel is within national israel????

Where do we find this "stewardship of the Gospel" in the OT?

Maybe the above has something to do with his wording there, his notion. His rants in earlier threads are so off the wall that I can't even figure out what he is going on about sometimes. HOW in the world, is "Spiritual Israel within national israel"? He sounds sometimes like Spiritual Israel's gentiles are still a lower class than the Jews. SMH

 

[makesends]

Hi Thanks

I would think God as Eternal Holy Spirit remains without the progeny descent, lineage, family, ancestry,

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

All Christian's as believers are sons of God the church the priesthood male and female

The family of God began with the martyr born again Abel the second born. He was used to represent "dying mankind must be born again" principle God replaced him with another second born to represent the spiritual seed Christ "Enos". After the second time born again mankind becan to call on high

That seed (Christ) was passed on to Abraham a second born fulfilled at the birth of the Son of man God's first born son

Genisis 4:25;26 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

Having nothing to do with the dying flesh of a Jew or gentile. God is not dying mankind

Romans 2:28For he is not a (born again ) Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a (born again) Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;(death) whose praise is not of men, but of God.

It would seem a few tried to get in with a Jewish DNA card as if dying flesh could profits for something?

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

If I understand you correctly, you are going quite a bit beyond scripture's declarations concerning types, foreshadowings and representations, to come up with what you do there.

But, besides that, I see no explanation for why anyone should bring up the fact that God is not a racist into the discussion. What has that to do with anything we are discussing here?

 

[brightfame52]

@makesends

-Spiritual Israel is within national israel????

Yes, it was, thats just saying believers in Christ were in national israel, for the most part during the ot, now unnder the NT mostly Gentiles become believers in Christ

 

[makesends]

in fact the Spiritual things have always been for the benefit of the Church, Spiritual Israel within national israel Rom 9:6

Not that I'm surprised to hear this kind of thing from you, but, what??? --Spiritual Israel is within national israel????

 

[makesends]

@makesends


Yes, it was, thats just saying believers in Christ were in national israel, for the most part during the ot, now unnder the NT mostly Gentiles become believers in Christ

So no longer as in the OT. We need not become members of national Israel to be come members of spiritual Israel, so why put it the way you did --was it a typo to say, "Spiritual Israel is within national israel"? Why the present tense, "IS", there?