Which person in the Trinity is the Judge?

[JIM]

That being said, I truly hope you get to experience God some day.

You are not talking about experience. You are talking about an emotion, a gut feeling. I have that in spades. That is a discussion that could go one for hours.

 

[Ladodgers6]

Because I'm looking for Scriptural examples for the Deity of Christ.

Examples,

a). The Son is the Creator
b). The Son is God
c). The Son is the Lord
d). The Son's Divine Attributes
e). The Son's Divine Titles/Names
f). The Son's glory
g). The Son is worshipped
h). The Son is the Savior

And, of course, I want to add to my list
i). The Son is the Judge

Fact checking is always good. It needs to be studied out and discussed out. If you want to challenge "the Son is the Judge," then I'm cool with that too.

Oh, okay.

For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. for the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son (Jn. 5:20-23).

In the OT God passed judgement on the Egyptians, especially on Pharaoh by drowning them in the red sea. In Jude v5, Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

But the Trinity is one working to redeem their people from their sins. As they will also pass judgement as one.​

 

[Binyawmene]

Jn 1:1, 14.

Do you know what the Deity of Christ mean?
And would you like to offer up an interpretation for John 1:1, 14?

 

[Carbon]

You are not talking about experience. You are talking about an emotion,

I believe you also are guilty of doing the same thing.

 

[Binyawmene]

Oh, okay.

For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. for the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son (Jn. 5:20-23).

In the OT God passed judgement on the Egyptians, especially on Pharaoh by drowning them in the red sea. In Jude v5, Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

But the Trinity is one working to redeem their people from their sins. As they will also pass judgement as one.​

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The Trinity doctrine is not "essential" since a person can be saved without having prior knowledge of the Trinity. I do believe the result of a person's regeneration is acknowledging the Trinity. But the Trinity is not the mean for regeneration. The Deity of Christ is "essential" and comes with a warning (John 8:23-24), or in other words, if you don't believe Jesus Christ is the incarnate YHWH you will die in your sins.

 

[Eleanor]

Do you know what the Deity of Christ mean?

Deity means Godhood, Godhead, God.

And would you like to offer up an interpretation for John 1:1, 14?

The Word who became flesh (Jn 1:14, Jesus of Nazareth) was God (Jn 1:1).

 

[Binyawmene]

Deity means Godhood, Godhead, God.

The Deity of Christ is an essential and non-negotiable doctrine within Christianity. The Greek word Θεότητος (or theotés) is mention one time in the Bible, specifically in the New Testament, which is in reference to the Son. And that is found in Colossians 2:9 "...πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς Θεότητος σωματικῶς." Now if you take the Greek word theotés, the theo means "God" and tes means "quality." The tes is the same concept as our English suffixes such as [-ship, -ness, or -hood], or the personal subject has the quality of "Godship, Godness, Godhood, and also as "Godhead." So theotes is define as "a state or quality of being God i.e. Godness" -- all things, everything that belongs to the Divine Nature, including the attributes, etc. or anything that expresses the quality of Godness "in bodily form," or "in the flesh."

Do you know how to demonstrate the Deity of Christ?

The Word who became flesh (Jn 1:14, Jesus of Nazareth) was God (Jn 1:1).

Quoting Bible verses is not an interpretation. Care to try again?

 

[Eleanor]

Quoting Bible verses is not an interpretation. Care to try again?

Correct. . .the definitions of the words interpret themselves.

 

[Binyawmene]

Correct. . .the definitions of the words interpret themselves.

Here is an example of an interpretation:

Then the verse makes its conclusion in John 1:1c "the Word," is a definite nominative that precedes the verb “was,” is anarthrous, by refers to the qualities of “God” in the Greek θεός - transliteration theos is in possession by the Logos. Since anarthrous nouns are qualitative. The qualitative noun places the stress on the quality, the nature, or the essence of God. In other words, both the Father and the Son has the same Divine Nature, the Logos is identified as the Son, and the Son possesses the whole being of God in himself.​

Do you know how to interpret Scriptures?

 

[JIM]

I believe you also are guilty of doing the same thing.

Even one's own spirit is not revealed experientially. It is really only through an emotional awareness that one can get any sense of it.

 

[Eleanor]

Here is an example of an interpretation:

Then the verse makes its conclusion in John 1:1c "the Word," is a definite nominative that precedes the verb “was,” is anarthrous, by refers to the qualities of “God” in the Greek θεός - transliteration theos is in possession by the Logos. Since anarthrous nouns are qualitative. The qualitative noun places the stress on the quality, the nature, or the essence of God. In other words, both the Father and the Son has the same Divine Nature, the Logos is identified as the Son, and the Son possesses the whole being of God in himself.​

Which is all simply stated in "the Word was God." (Jn 1:1).

It's not rocket science.

Do you know how to interpret Scriptures?

I can understand what they mean, in the light of the rest of Scripture.

 

[Binyawmene]

Which is all simply stated in "the Word was God." (Jn 1:1).

What is simply stated? Stating a Bible verse is not an interpretation of the verse.

It's not rocket science.

Confusing.
You stated: Jesus of Nazareth) was God (Jn 1:1). post 306

How do you get Jesus of Nazareth from John 1:1?

I can understand what they mean, in the light of the rest of Scripture.

Elaborate. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Do you even know the historical context behind John 1:1?

 

[Eleanor]

What is simply stated? Stating a Bible verse is not an interpretation of the verse.

Confusing.

That explains a lot!

Like gravity. ."What goes up must come down."
Why do I need to know about magnetic fields?

You stated: Jesus of Nazareth) was God (Jn 1:1). post 306

How do you get Jesus of Nazareth from John 1:1?

From the rest of Scripture.

Elaborate. I have no idea what you are talking about.

See Jn 1:14.

Do you even know the historical context behind John 1:1?

Probably Greek philosophy's logos.

 

[Binyawmene]

That explains a lot!
Like gravity. ."What goes up must come down."
Why do I need to know about magnetic fields?

As a Reform Christian (not orthodox christian) you need to know how to interpret Bible verses.
Just like a scientist (in that particular field of study) needs to know how to interpret gravity.

From the rest of Scripture.

The Bible identifies the Word as Jesus Christ in the incarnation.

1 John 1:1-2 "Word of Life" and 1 John 4:2 "Jesus Christ".

But the context in John 1:1c the Word is in reference to the Divine Nature and not the incarnation.
John 1:14a is in reference to the human nature and the incarnation.
The Word became Jesus Christ when the fulness of time has come.
The selfsame person, the Word, but John 1:1c has different contextual meaning from John 1:14a.

See Jn 1:14.

Can you interpret that verse?

Probably Greek philosophy's logos.

Sure.
John used the philosophical term Logos to demonstrate a point against the early stages of proto-gnosticism that is historically in context and evident. Since John is appealing to Gnostics, then it would be understood the Logos was not a "thought," "plan," "name." or "something spoken" etc. They would understand the Logos is a preexisting Demiurge who helped created the universe. That is the historical context of John 1:1-3, 14, and of course, denying "God in the flesh" issue.

How would the 1st. century audience understood John 1:1?

It would be common knowledge during the 1st. century cultural period, which they would have understood that Philo has falsely taught a Pre-existing Logos to mean "an intermediary divine being" in a state of cosmic flux or a demiurge (fashioner) who takes an already pre-existing eternal stuff and fashion it into our world. Then this demigurge would hold all things together by preserving creation from being pulled apart and separated. And this demiurge was an emanation ("to flow from" or "to pour forth or out of") the underlying principle or reality. And that reality was God who emanated the demiurge and through this demiurge were series of emanations of lesser beings and creation of the universe itself. That develop into worshipping of angels or these lesser beings. If you worshipped them, they will give you enlightenment or knowledge of the Logos (or demiurge) who is the highest of these intermediary beings.

 

[Ladodgers6]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The Trinity doctrine is not "essential" since a person can be saved without having prior knowledge of the Trinity. I do believe the result of a person's regeneration is acknowledging the Trinity. But the Trinity is not the mean for regeneration. The Deity of Christ is "essential" and comes with a warning (John 8:23-24), or in other words, if you don't believe Jesus Christ is the incarnate YHWH you will die in your sins.

Sure, anytime Binyawmene. In the Reformed Faith; I am a convinced 5 point Calvinist also hold to the 5 Solas, 3 forms of Unity. I also believe in the Total Depravity of fallen mankind, but people often confuse or misrepresent what this actually encapsulates.

The Bible teaches the total depravity of the human race. Total depravity means radical corruption. We must be careful to note the difference between total depravity and "utter" depravity. To be utterly depraved is to be as wicked as one could possibly be. Hitler was extremely depraved, but he could have been worse than he was. I am sinner. Yet I could sin more often and more severely than I actually do. I am not utterly depraved, but I am totally depraved. For total depravity means that I and everyone else are
depraved or corrupt in the totality of our being. There is no part of us that is left untouched by sin. Our minds, our wills, and our bodies are affected by evil. We speak sinful words, do sinful deeds, have impure thoughts. Our very bodies suffer from the ravages of sin.

Perhaps "radical corruption" is a better term to describe our fallen condition than "total depravity." I am using the word "radical" not so much to mean "extreme," but to lean more heavily on its original meaning. "Radical" comes from the Latin word for "root" or "core." Our problem with sin is that it is rooted in the core of our being. It permeates our hearts. It is because sin is at our core and not merely at the exterior of our lives that the Bible says: "There is none righteous, no not one; there is none who understands; there is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; they have together become unprofitable; there is none who does good, no, not one." Romans 3:10-12

It is because of this condition that the verdict of Scripture is heard: we are "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1); we are "sold under sin" (Romans 7:14); we are in "captivity to the law of sin" (Romans 7:23); and "by nature children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3). Only by the quickening power of the Holy Spirit may we be brought out of this state of spiritual death. It is God who makes us alive as we become His craftsmanship (Ephesians 2:1-10).

When something is started, we say that it is generated. If it is started again, it is regenerated. The Greek verb geniauo that is translated as “generate” means “to be,” “to become,” or “to happen.” Regeneration by the Holy Spirit is a change. It is a radical change into a new kind of being.

Calvin, stated that sinners do have a free-will and sin without compulsion, meaning nobody coerces sinners to sin. They sin because they are sinners, this is now their fallen nature in Adam. Paul says, Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

The Trinity do work together as one to saves sinners from this plight. God made a Covenant of Redemption from eternity to save his people form their sins, the Son willingly signed his own death warrant to redeem them with his blood, and the Holy Spirit through the Proclamation of the Gospel regenerates the hearts and minds of God's people to be able to see, hear, trust and believe in him to who the scripture testify.

But you are right that an ungodly sinner doesn't needs to know how it works, but the ungodly who trust in him who justifies the ungodly in his Son are saved through Faith Alone apart from works of the Law.

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[grace2]

Which person in the Trinity is the Judge?​

NT says God gave His Son authority to Judge.

 

[Ladodgers6]

Which person in the Trinity is the Judge?​

NT says God gave His Son authority to Judge.

And the Father and the Son are one.

 

[grace2]

And the Father and the Son are one.

Still resisting Jesus' word.

Jesus never means He is God.

You are correcting His word and changing what He says to suit your imaginary god.

 

[Binyawmene]

When something is started, we say that it is generated. If it is started again, it is regenerated. The Greek verb geniauo that is translated as “generate” means “to be,” “to become,” or “to happen.” Regeneration by the Holy Spirit is a change. It is a radical change into a new kind of being.​

That's a very thought-out explanation for Total Depravity.

I have previously said: "I do believe the result of a person's regeneration is acknowledging the Trinity. But the Trinity is not the mean for regeneration." Here is some Scriptures that teaches the results of one who is born again (or regeneration):

1. believes in Jesus Christ (1 John 5:1)​

2. showing righteousness (1 John 2:29)​

3. showing love (1 John 4:7)​

4. not repeating sins (1 John 3:9, 5:18)​

5. overcoming the world through faith (1 John 5:4)​

If you notice in number 1 "believing that Jesus is the Christ" -- that believing will naturally flow into other sequences, for instance: Jesus is the Christ, which the Holy Spirit will lead a person to, Jesus is the LORD. After all, you cannot confess "Jesus is LORD" except by the Holy Spirit according to Scripture --

1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.​

That's obviously the result of regeneration through the Holy Spirit. I remember that I had a discussion once with a Unitarian (BU), many-many years ago in CARM. He acknowledged that the Bible does teaches that Jesus is LORD. But he would not confess it. Because he was afraid that if he believes Jesus is LORD, then he would start believing in the Trinity too. Even Reformed Christians believe that the Father is LORD, the Son is LORD, and the Holy Spirit is LORD. There are not three lords, but there is only one LORD. I personally believe the best Scriptural proof for the Deity of Christ is that fact that Jesus Christ is LORD:

"One Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 8:6, "one Lord" Ephesians 4:5, "same Lord" 1 Corinthians 12:5, "Christ is all, and is in all" Colossians 3:11, "and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord" Jude 1:4, "true Sovereign and Lord" Revelations 6:10).​

Jesus is LORD

a). Matthew 3:3, Isaiah 40:3-4, Luke 1:68-69, 76​

b). Matthew 22:44, Psalms 110:1​

c). Hebrews 1:10-12, Psalms 102:24-27​

d). Revelations 2:18, 23, Jer 17:10​

e). John 12:37-41, Isaiah 6:10​

f). 1 Peter 2:7-8, Isaiah 8:13-14​

g). 1 Corinthians 10:9, Numbers 21:6-7​

h). Philippians 2:10-11, Romans 14:11, Isaiah 45:22-23​

i). Romans 10:9-13, Joel 2:32​

j). Jude 1:5, Deuteronomy 5:6, Hosea 13:4​

 

[Ladodgers6]

Still resisting Jesus' word.

Jesus never means He is God.

You are correcting His word and changing what He says to suit your imaginary god.

Ah, so you do not believe Jesus is God incarnate? Who do you say he is?