Which person in the Trinity is the Judge?

[Eleanor]

Quite the Blatherskite

Love it!

How many times can Jesus tell a lie?
My
John 10:30, Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.”

trumps your which is NOT a denial.
Jesus denied being God:

1. “Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone” – Luke 18:19
2. “Why do you ask Me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good.” – Matthew 19:17

Precisely. . .that's a statement that they are calling him God, which he did not deny.

The disciples of Jesus distinctly heard Him declare His deity. After Jesus’ resurrection, Thomas the doubting disciple finally understood Jesus’ deity, declaring Him to be “my Lord and my God” (John 20:28). If Jesus were not Lord and God, He would have corrected Thomas, but He did not; Thomas spoke the truth.

We can ignor, if you wish John 10:33 as heresy ... When He asked them why they were attempting to stone Him, they said, “For blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God”.... as no one claimed enlightement among the Jew, an they did not carry forward the word of truth

But will you charge the Father with lying or heresy when referring to Jesus as God: “About the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever’” (Hebrews 1:8, quoting Psalm 45:6).

 

[Rella]

The word in the text is "aim" (philotieoai), as in Ro 15:20 (strive), 2 Co 5:9 (ambitious to be), none of which are "application of the mind to writings," but rather are "earnest and reasoned effort, desire."

This is the first thing that came to mind reading this statement.

You may be right, you may be wrong... and I am in too much pain to reason other then to say regarding

"none of which are "application of the mind to writings," but rather are "earnest and reasoned effort, desire."

Once the correct translation comes to light... if it all boils down to "earnest and reasoned effort, desire." then inspiration got thrown out with the bath water?

New thread.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/2-tim-3-16-applies-to-what.1980/

2 Tim 3:16 applies to what?​

 

[JIM]

The word in the text is "aim" (philotieoai), as in Ro 15:20 (strive), 2 Co 5:9 (ambitious to be), none of which are "application of the mind to writings," but rather are "earnest and reasoned effort, desire."

If you are still talking about 2 Timothy 2:15, then the Greek work is "spoudazo".

 

[JIM]

We know them by their fruit:

1. Matthew 3:8
   Produce fruitin keeping with repentance.
   
   
2. Matthew 3:10
   The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruitwill be cut down and thrown into the fire.
   
   
3. Matthew 7:16
   By their fruityou will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
   
   
4. Matthew 7:17
   Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
   
   
5. Matthew 7:18
   A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
   
   
6. Matthew 7:19
   Every tree that does not bear good fruitis cut down and thrown into the fire.
   
   
7. Matthew 7:20
   Thus, by their fruityou will recognize them.
   
   
8. Matthew 12:33
   “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
   
   
9. Matthew 21:19
   Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruitagain!” Immediately the tree withered.
   
   
10. Matthew 21:34
    When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.
    
    
11. Matthew 21:43
    “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
    
    
12. Matthew 26:29
    I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

Matthew 7:14-20 is speaking about the fruit of the false prophets. The other passages you referenced do not speak of recognizing anyone.

 

[Eleanor]

This is the first thing that came to mind reading this statement.

You may be right, you may be wrong... and I am in too much pain to reason other then to say regarding

"none of which are "application of the mind to writings," but rather are "earnest and reasoned effort, desire."

Once the correct translation comes to light... if it all boils down to "earnest and reasoned effort, desire."

So sorry about your pain. . .will pray.

Nevertheless, the context is about rightly dividing the word of God, though "study" is not actually stated there, but is appropriate.

then inspiration got thrown out with the bath water?

Scripture is "God-breathed" (theopnuestos), rather than "inspired" (2 Tim 3:16).

And the words of 2 Tim 2:15 which God breathed there were "philotimetomai" (phileo, to love; time, honor--aim), and so, actuated by this motive (to love and honor), to be "eager" ("spoude," diligent) to bring something to pass.

New thread.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/2-tim-3-16-applies-to-what.1980/

2 Tim 3:16 applies to what?​

Let's begin with what it states: "Every Scripture is God-breathed. . ."

And what did God breathe?
He breathed the words "philotimetomai" (to aim); (phileo, to love; time, honor); and so, actuated by this motive, to be diligent (spoude) to bring something to pass.

 

[JIM]

As is "labor" (e.g., scrubbing floors, teaching, writing).

But not in context.

 

[grace2]

Matthew 7:14-20 is speaking about the fruit of the false prophets. The other passages you referenced do not speak of recognizing anyone.

There are all kinds of evil fruits that false prophets produce.

Open your eyes to see the reality of triune god worshiping churches.

My thread is showing you with Jesus' word.

I showed the 2 of them in great detail.

but if you deny to see, you cannot see even if the dead come back to life in front of you.

I will continue to list many of them.

It will be for people who are interested in what Jesus teaches.

 

[Eleanor]

But not in context.

Agreed. . ."study" fits the context, but it still is not specifically stated there, it has been added.

See post #205, above.

 

[JIM]

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2Ti 2:15 σπούδασον σεαυτὸν δόκιμον παραστῆσαι τῷ Θεῷ, ἐργάτην ἀνεπαίσχυντον, ὀρθοτομοῦντα τὸν λόγον τῆς ἀληθείας.

And you were saying?????

 

[Eleanor]

2Ti 2:15 σπούδασον σεαυτὸν δόκιμον παραστῆσαι τῷ Θεῷ, ἐργάτην ἀνεπαίσχυντον, ὀρθοτομοῦντα τὸν λόγον τῆς ἀληθείας.

And you were saying?????

Have you confused me with @grace2?

I am saying 2 Tim 3:16 (see posts #205, #208), which states that the words of Scripture are God-breathed, and that
what God breathed in 2 Tim 2:15 was philotimetomai (aim), and spoude (diligent), rather than "eager" and "study."

 

[Eleanor]

I need to be brief because I had an accident. A fall and my back is very bad...plus foot and knee.

But were we not told Tim 2: 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth?

To show thyself approved..........

If you do not study God will still re-birth whom He chooses?

Paul is writing to Timothy as a pastor to the church in Ephesus.

 

[JIM]

Have you confused me with @grace2?

I am saying 2 Tim 3:16 (see posts #205, #208), which states that the words of Scripture are God-breathed, and that
what God breathed in 2 Tim 2:15 was philotimetomai (aim), and spoude (diligent), rather than "eager" and "study."

I don't think I confused you with grace 2. And philotimetomai does not appear in 2 Tim 2:15. What God breathed in 2 Tim 2:15 was not philotimetomai.

But if I did confuse you with anyone, I apologize and with that I am done with this discussion. It certainly doesn't have much if anything to do with the Trinity.

 

[grace2]

2Ti 2:15 σπούδασον σεαυτὸν δόκιμον παραστῆσαι τῷ Θεῷ, ἐργάτην ἀνεπαίσχυντον, ὀρθοτομοῦντα τὸν λόγον τῆς ἀληθείας.

And you were saying?????

Take a look at what you quote claiming I quote.

where did you get it????????????????

I reported it.

 

[Carbon]

Take a look at what you quote claiming I quote.

where did you get it????????????????

I reported it.

Been taken care of. Don't know what happened there.

 

[Mr GLee]

All three members of the Trinity are judge.

The Father judges.
The Son judges.
the Holy Spirit judges.

Whose Spirit does the father have if not the Holy Spirit? And whose spirit does the Son have if not the Holy Spirit?

 

[grace2]

Been taken care of. Don't know what happened there.

He tempered it.

 

[JIM]

Whose Spirit does the father have if not the Holy Spirit? And whose spirit does the Son have if not the Holy Spirit?

There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are three separate and independent Spirits. They constitute the one God, referred to in the OT as "'ĕlôhı̂ym". Clearly for obvious reasons it is a plural designation.

In John 1, we read of the Word. I believe the meaning there is that that Word was/is the pre-incarnate Spirit, the second Spirit of the Trinity. Hebrews tells us that "Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he (that is the Word, the pre-incarnate Spirit of the Son) himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil....(Heb 2:14).

It was that pre-incarnate Spirit that took upon himself the flesh and blood, to become the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Mr GLee]

There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are three separate and independent Spirits. They constitute the one God, referred to in the OT as "'ĕlôhı̂ym". Clearly for obvious reasons it is a plural designation.

In John 1, we read of the Word. I believe the meaning there is that that Word was/is the pre-incarnate Spirit, the second Spirit of the Trinity. Hebrews tells us that "Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he (that is the Word, the pre-incarnate Spirit of the Son) himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil....(Heb 2:14).

It was that pre-incarnate Spirit that took upon himself the flesh and blood, to become the only begotten Son of God.

God is not a man

God as the breath of life is one Spirit as the Father of all Spirit life

The one judge is as it is written . .book of law

Why more than one? What's the hope in multiple ?

What is a pre-incarnate Spirit?

The reincarnation of these body of death .

Reincarnation is attributed more Hinduism and others. .destroying the gospel of faith (the invisible things) of eternal God

 

[JIM]

God is not a man

God as the breath of life is one Spirit as the Father of all Spirit life

The one judge is as it is written . .book of law

Why more than one? What's the hope in multiple ?

What is a pre-incarnate Spirit?

The reincarnation of these body of death .

Reincarnation is attributed more Hinduism and others. .destroying the gospel of faith (the invisible things) of eternal God

God is three; the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They each are Spirit.

The pre-incarnate Spirit is the Word as put forth by John in John 1:1-18 which came to earth in the from of the man Jesus, the Son, for a period of about 33 years about 2000 years ago.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Whose Spirit does the father have if not the Holy Spirit? And whose spirit does the Son have if not the Holy Spirit?

And whose Head is not Head of the Spirit if not the Father?
And whose Head is not the Head of the Spirit if not the Son?
The Spirit emanates from both Father and Son.
They are in perfect unity in nature and purpose.