Which person in the Trinity is the Judge?

[jeremiah1five]

All three are judge.

 

[Red Baker]

I need to be brief because I had an accident. A fall and my back is very bad...plus foot and knee.




But were we not told Tim 2: 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth?

To show thyself approved..........

If you do not study God will still re-birth whom He chooses?

I pray you are okay. I had a fall a week ago on rocks and gravel at the lake, but all is okay, with a small exception~ I busied my arms up pretty bad and a little sore. That's the second time I have fallen in the past month~at 76, I'm not as sure on my feet as I was a few years back. Both times were preventable with a little more caution on my part.

 

[Rella]

The word "study" is not in the verse.

So glad Jimmy messed up , yet again



King James Bible
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Amplified Bible
Study and do your best to present yourself to God approved, a workman [tested by trial] who has no reason to be ashamed, accurately handling and skillfully teaching the word of truth.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

Webster's Bible Translation
Study to show thyself approved to God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The rest we will ignore cause they are into works such as

New International Version
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

New Living Translation
Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth.

Yes. . .

Jn 3:3-5 presents the new birth by sovereign (based on nothing but himself) choice the Holy Spirit, as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8).

 

[Rella]

I pray you are okay. I had a fall a week ago on rocks and gravel at the lake, but all is okay, with a small exception~ I busied my arms up pretty bad and a little sore. That's the second time I have fallen in the past month~at 76, I'm not as sure on my feet as I was a few years back. Both times were preventable with a little more caution on my part.

Thank you Red

 

[JIM]

Jn 3:3-5 presents the new birth by sovereign (based on nothing but himself) choice the Holy Spirit, as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8).

In fact, John 3:3-5 does not present any basis, sovereign or otherwise, for who is born again. And verses 6-9 are not about accountability to the one giving birth again, but about the physical evidence concerning the person having been born again.

 

[Eleanor]

So glad Jimmy messed up , yet again
King James Bible
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Amplified Bible
Study and do your best to present yourself to God approved, a workman [tested by trial] who has no reason to be ashamed, accurately handling and skillfully teaching the word of truth.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.
Webster's Bible Translation
Study to show thyself approved to God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The word "study" is not in the Greek.

The rest we will ignore cause they are into works such as

Not a good look to ignore the Greek, where there is no word "study," as in the following:

New International Version
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

New Living Translation
Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth.

 

[JIM]

The word "study" is not in the verse.

ESV 2Ti 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth

KJV 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

NASB 2Ti 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.

From Strong's:

G4704
σπουδάζω
spoudazō
spoo-dad'-zo
From G4710; to use speed, that is, to make effort, be prompt or earnest: - do (give) diligence, be diligent (forward), endeavour, labour, study.

Seems as if "study" is a perfectly good translation/interpretation of the Greek word σπουδάζω [spoudazō]"

 

[Eleanor]

In fact, John 3:3-5 does not present any basis, sovereign or otherwise, for who is born again. And verses 6-9 are not about accountability to the one giving birth again, but about the physical evidence concerning the person having been born again.

The unaccountable blowing wind is a figure of the Holy Spirit, not of birth.

 

[Eleanor]

ESV 2Ti 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth
KJV 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
NASB 2Ti 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
From Strong's:

G4704
σπουδάζω
spoudazō
spoo-dad'-zo
From G4710; to use speed, that is, to make effort, be prompt or earnest: - do (give) diligence, be diligent (forward), endeavour, labour, study.
Seems as if "study" is a perfectly good translation/interpretation of the Greek word σπουδάζω [spoudazō]"

As is "labor" (e.g., scrubbing floors, teaching, writing).

 

[JIM]

As is "labor" (e.g., scrubbing floors).

I didn't propose "labor" and no one else has either. Even so, "Labor to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth," could be a perfectly acceptable translation/interpretation.

Your statement that "study" is not in that verse is simply false.

 

[JIM]

The unaccountable blowing wind is a figure of the Holy Spirit, not of birth.

So you think Jesus is telling us we don't know where the Holy Spirit comes from?

 

[Eleanor]

I didn't propose "labor" and no one else has either. Even so, "Labor to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth," could be a perfectly acceptable translation/interpretation.

Your statement that "study" is not in that verse is simply false.

Contraire. . .

The word "study" is not in the Greek of that verse.

 

[Eleanor]

So you think Jesus is telling us we don't know where the Holy Spirit comes from?

It's about accountability--being answerable (required to give an answer), not about the location of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Binyawmene]

Jesus of Nazareth is the complex Person of God and man – He possesses both complete natures.

The official doctrine of Christology is the Hypostatic Union and Dyophysitism. Using the word "complex" is not part of the language in both Christology and Chalcedonian. There are many hereticals that claim the phrase of "God and man" like: Apollinarianism, Nestorianism, and Eutychianism, etc. What they mean behind the framework of the phrase is a different topic. What I'm asking you is what is a Complex Jesus?

 

[JIM]

Contraire. . .

The word "study" is not in the Greek of that verse.

I showed you from Strong's that "study" is a translation/interpretation of the Greek word σπουδάζω.

 

[Red Baker]

The official doctrine of Christology is the Hypostatic Union and Dyophysitism.

I fully agree that the Sonship of Jesus Christ is the combination of God the Word and a human nature in a single Being~as far as Dyophysitism~to me it is the same as what I said, that Jesus was a complex person.

COMPLEX,

COMPLEXED, adjective

1. Composed of two or more parts or things (Webster 1828 dictionary)

What I'm asking you is what is a Complex Jesus?

I said it as plainly as I know how:

Jesus of Nazareth is the complex Person of God and man – He possesses both complete natures.

 

[Binyawmene]

I fully agree that the Sonship of Jesus Christ is the combination of God the Word and a human nature in a single Being~as far as Dyophysitism~to me it is the same as what I said, that Jesus was a complex person.

COMPLEX,

COMPLEXED, adjective

1. Composed of two or more parts or things (Webster 1828 dictionary)


I said it as plainly as I know how:

Have you taken the time to think thoroughly about this "complex person?" You are redefining a well-established doctrine with a Webster 1828 dictionary. If you didn't know, Dyophysitism is Greek that means "two natures," but you are not referring to the natures but to the person. After all, you said, "complex person" with a Webster semantical definition of "composed of two," which sounds like two persons. Can you elaborate and articulate this new doctrine? I have through my many years of discussions come across that the “one indivisible person” of the Son is a dichotomy Jesus (Oneness), contradiction Jesus (Unitarians), and paradox Jesus (Greek Orthodox). But you, on the other hand, are suggesting complex Jesus. What exactly do you mean? And why are you using that word?

 

[Eleanor]

I showed you from Strong's that "study" is a translation/interpretation of the Greek word σπουδάζω.

Not a definitive one . .

 

[Binyawmene]

I said it as plainly as I know how:

Why not just simply say, "union" or the Hypostatic Union?

Ontology the selfsame Son-person himself is not distinct, composed of parts, or complex.

⦁ The two nature are distinct in the union by the Son-person.
⦁ The Son-person exist as God according to the Divine Nature.
⦁ The Son-person exist as Man according to the Human Nature.
⦁ The Son-person is existing in two distinct ways simultaneously.

Jesus Christ being "human" would be identified by his nature. For example, Jesus Christ being Fully Human is derived from the human nature being composed of the whole body and soul/spirit, with all of the human attributes and properties. That is what qualify him as human. And "God" and "Man" are not properties and attributes of the Natures or of the Person. Rather it's what the natures have constituted what the Son-person to be, like: the Divine Nature constitutes the Son-person to be God and the Human Nature constitutes the selfsame Son-person to be Man.

 

[JIM]

Not a definitive one . .

Clearly more definitive than your assertion that it isn't there.