Which person in the Trinity is the Judge?

[Mr GLee]

And whose Head is not Head of the Spirit if not the Father?
And whose Head is not the Head of the Spirit if not the Son?
The Spirit emanates from both Father and Son.
They are in perfect unity in nature and purpose.

Salvation has nothing to do with nature, beginnings. God is supernatural without mother or father without decent , without beginning of Spirit life or end thereof .

And whose Head is not Head as the Spirit of Father? One spirit. . one "Let there be and it was God alone good power"

And whose Head as the Holy Spirt. .Surely not of the Son of man dying mankind But that of Christ the father that empowers the Son to do the good pleasure of the Holy Spirit

The Holy one Spirit working both from invisible Father working in the Son. Not from the son dying mankind .Jesus the Son of man

They both are in perfect unity in nature and purpose of the one Holy Spirit the one judge as it is written (sola scriptura

The veil representing the circummsion of the first born . . bloody husband Christ when it was rent by the Father from the top down. There was no Jewish king of kings siting in what they called the holy of holy (traditons of dying mankind) siting .


The father of lies Lucifer will be loosed again at the end of the age to again deceive many to beleive God is a Jewish man.

The Legion as the man of sin could no longer deceive all he nations of the world to believe God is a Jewish as King of kings.

 

[Eleanor]

I don't think I confused you with grace 2. And philotimetomai does not appear in 2 Tim 2:15. What God breathed in 2 Tim 2:15 was not philotimetomai.

A form of that word appears in 2 Tim 2:15.

The following translations are closer to the God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16) Greek of 2 Tim 2:15.

New International Version
Do your best (Aim) to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

New Living Translation
Work hard so you can (Aim to) present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth.

 

[JIM]

The Spirit emanates from both Father and Son.

What does that even mean?

John 4:24 -- God IS Spirit.

Spirit doesn't emanate from God.

The Father is Spirit. The Son is Spirit (and human), The Holy Spirit is Spirit. Three separate Spirit beings. The three are one God. God is Spirit.

The real problem is that we have virtually no experiential knowledge or comprehension of Spirit, whether the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Jesus, or the Spirit of the Holy Spirit or even of our own spirit. We don't even really understand of comprehend our own conscience and "conscienceness."

 

[JIM]

A form of that word appears in 2 Tim 2:15.

The following translations are closer to the God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16) Greek of 2 Tim 2:15.

New International Version
Do your best (Aim) to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

New Living Translation
Work hard so you can (Aim to) present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth.

Work hard at what? How does one correctly handle the word of truth. What kind of work does it take to do that? What work does one do to present one's self to God? Only the diligent study of God's word will produce that. Unfortunately, that is something that so few actually do.

 

[Eleanor]

Work hard at what?

Presenting yourself approved to rightly divide the word of God.

How does one correctly handle the word of truth. What kind of work does it take to do that?

Enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, obedient Christian life, prayer, study of the word of God.

What work does one do to present one's self to God? Only the diligent study of God's word will produce that. Unfortunately, that is something that so few actually do.

Actually, it takes more than that.

 

[Eleanor]

What does that even mean?

Emanate means "to go forth out of, to proceed from" God the Father.
Jesus - Jn 8:42, 6:27, 28, 17:8,
Holy Spirit - Jn 15:26.

John 4:24 -- God IS Spirit.

Spirit doesn't emanate from God. The Father is Spirit. The Son is Spirit (and human), The Holy Spirit is Spirit.
Three separate Spirit beings. The three are one God. God is Spirit.

Contriare. . .three separate spirit beings is three God's.

The Father is a distinct person, the Son is a distinct person, as the Holy Spirit Son is a distinct person, all the same one Being (spirit), God.

The real problem is that we have virtually no experiential knowledge or comprehension of Spirit, whether the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Jesus, or the Spirit of the Holy Spirit

Contraire. . .

There is much experiential knowledge of the Holy Spirit.

or even of our own spirit. We don't even really understand of comprehend our own conscience and "conscienceness."

Don't confuse the Holy Spirit with simple human "conscienceness."

 

[JIM]

Emanate means "to go forth out of, to proceed from" God the Father.
Jesus - Jn 8:42, 6:27, 28, 17:8,
Holy Spirit - Jn 15:26.

Contriare. . .three separate spirit beings is three God's.

The apostrophe in "God's" is confusing.

The Father is a distinct person, the Son is a distinct person, as the Holy Spirit Son is a distinct person, all the same one Being (spirit), God.

the Holy Spirit Son? what does that mean?

Contraire. . .

There is much experiential knowledge of the Holy Spirit.

Your knowledge, at whatever level you think that is, is all by faith.

Don't confuse the Holy Spirit with simple human "conscienceness."

I don't confuse the two. My point is that we have so little actual knowledge of either.

 

[JIM]

Presenting yourself approved to rightly divide the word of God.

Where does the word of God come from?

Enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, obedient Christian life, prayer, study of the word of God.

I understand obedience, prayer and study. Explain what you mean by enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. I think there are far too many who think that have received enlightenment and all they have is a lot of imagination and mental confusion.

Actually, it takes more than that.

Yes, it does take more of that. But that is where it starts. That is the source of faith. That is the driver in sanctification.

 

[JIM]

Eleanor,
I don't think we are that far apart on much of this. I perhaps see a little more charismaticism in your posts than I would admit to.

 

[Eleanor]

The apostrophe in "God's" is confusing.

I agree. . .my mistake.

the Holy Spirit Son? what does that mean?

Oops! Another error.

Would you consider being my editor?

Your knowledge, at whatever level you think that is, is all by faith.

Agreed. . .there is no knowledge of God by the Holy Spirit apart from faith.

I don't confuse the two. My point is that we have so little actual knowledge of either.

I kinda' think that actually experiencing him is what matters.

But we know that
he is God, who is Spirit,
he proceeds from the God the Father, who is Spirit,
he applies the benefits of salvation procured by the Son of God,
he is the Comforter, Counselor, Guide of those born of God (Jn 1:13).

 

[Eleanor]

Where does the word of God come from?

It is God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16) to those whom the Holy Spirit gave it in the beginning of Christianity, and to the prophets and chroniclers of the OT.

I understand obedience, prayer and study. Explain what you mean by enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. I think there are far too many who think that have received enlightenment and all they have is a lot of imagination and mental confusion.

Enlighten consists of many things: Holy Spirit's
witness (inner absolute certainty) to the truth of the word of God,
craving pure spiritual milk (word of God) as a newborn babe craves milk (1 Pe 2:2),
affinity for a Biblical world view and view of life,
Biblical values,
witness to being born (a son) of God (Jn 1:13),
witness to his presence in other Christians,
joy in the Lord,
trust in God's provision,
a degree of insight to understanding the word of God in the light of all the word of God. . .

Yes, it does take more of that. But that is where it starts. That is the source of faith. That is the driver in sanctification.

Agreed. . .

 

[Eleanor]

Eleanor,
I don't think we are that far apart on much of this. I perhaps see a little more charismaticism in your posts than I would admit to.

But I've never been a charismatic.

Perhaps I have more of a realization of the Holy Spirit than you are accustomed to. . .due to my powerful conversion experience (very similar to @Arial's, by the way).

Good to know you!

 

[JIM]

But I've never been a charismatic.

Perhaps I have more of a realization of the Holy Spirit than you are accustomed to. . .due to my powerful conversion experience (very similar to @Arial's, by the way).

Good to know you!

Interesting comment. Could you perhaps give me a scriptural reference to an example of the powerful conversion experience such as yours giving more of a realization of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Eleanor]

Interesting comment. Could you perhaps give me a scriptural reference to an example of the powerful conversion experience such as yours giving more of a realization of the Holy Spirit.

Regarding receiving the Holy Spirit, see Ac 2:38, 8:14-17, Gal 3:2, Jn 7:37-39.

Regarding the belief, see Mt 11:25, 13:11, 16:17.

Regarding the joy, see 1 Th 1:6, Ac 13:52, Ro 15:13, 2 Co 8:2.

 

[JIM]

Regarding receiving the Holy Spirit, see Ac 2:38, 8:14-17, Gal 3:2, Jn 7:37-39.

Regarding the belief, see Mt 11:25, 13:11, 16:17.

Regarding the joy, see 1 Th 1:6, Ac 13:52, Ro 15:13, 2 Co 8:2.

I am familiar with all of those and I am quite comfortable in what they say. But none of them suggest that some persons experience a more powerful conversion than others. I am just curious why you think your conversion experience might or could be more powerful than my conversion experience.

 

[Rella]

The apostrophe in "God's" is confusing.

the Holy Spirit Son? what does that mean?

the Holy Spirit Son???????????

Your knowledge, at whatever level you think that is, is all by faith.

I don't confuse the two. My point is that we have so little actual knowledge of either.

 

[Eleanor]

I am familiar with all of those and I am quite comfortable in what they say. But none of them suggest that some persons experience a more powerful conversion than others. I am just curious why you think your conversion experience might or could be more powerful than my conversion experience.

I don't remember saying such a thing. I have no way of knowing your experience.

This conversation started with @Rella's statement that one needed to "study" to be approved by God and chosen for election.

 

[JIM]

I don't remember saying such a thing. I have no way of knowing your experience.

you said, "Perhaps I have more of a realization of the Holy Spirit than you are accustomed to. . .due to my powerful conversion experience (very similar to @Arial's, by the way)."

That tells me that you think your conversion experience was more powerful than mine. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

 

[Eleanor]

I am familiar with all of those and I am quite comfortable in what they say. But none of them suggest that some persons experience a more powerful conversion than others. I am just curious why you think your conversion experience might or could be more powerful than my conversion experience.

Con't from post #237:

. . .to which I responded that the word in the Greek is philotimetomai, which is aim (make it one's "aim--Ro 15:20, 2 Co 5:9, 1 Th 4:11)
to present oneself approved."

 

[Eleanor]

you said, "Perhaps I have more of a realization of the Holy Spirit than you are accustomed to. . .due to my powerful conversion experience (very similar to @Arial's, by the way)."

That tells me that you think your conversion experience was more powerful than mine. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

I was responding to your comment about my being a "charismatic," which you are not.